Is Glasner the problem?

[Lanzo-Ad]

Actually no I didn't. I admit to thinking he was a breath of fresh air when he first arrived and I'll also admit to feeling his sacking was sooner than expected but that was before I learned how divisive he was in the dressing room and how destructive his presence was becoming. Vieira did an ok job. Nothing more.

Not too sure why you ask that question though. Two completely different managers and styles. One has achieved little, the other is only in his early 50s and has already taken 3 unfancied teams into either the top 4 or winning a European competition or both. You cannot compare Vieira to Glasner. Still not even sure why you brought him up tbh.

The link between them is what seems to be a stubbornness to try something different, as you quite rightly say Glasner has more experience, so hopefully he will realise that the current squad is not suitable to 3-4-2-1, and adapt accordingly.

 

[doombear]

I agree with pretty much all of this. People willing to completely write off Kamada based on a few performances. A Europa League winner does not become sh*t over night. Lets not forget Lazio had an option to extend his contract and were furious when he refused to sign it. Clubs of this stature are not idiots. Kamada needs more time to adjust. He'll be a good signing I'm sure.
I remain 100% convinced OG is the right man for the job. Getting rid of him at the first sign of a rocky spell not only sends out a negative message to any future managerial talent out there when thinking about joining Palace, it would also be a decision the club would end up regretting IMO.
We coaxed a Europa League winning manager out of semi retirement to join Palace. Once we had him signed up we sold Olise, Andersen and Ayew and let Rak-Saki go out on loan (a player OG was said to be keen to use this season). He then gets four of our best players back from summer tournaments tired or injured or both. Then incoming players are brought in right as the window shuts so they have no time to bed in.
Then you look closer at our results. Should have got something from Brentford, should have got something from Everton. When you look at the penalty incident against Liverpool that wasn't given and Eze's tame shot that he should have scored from I would argue that we should have got something from the Liverpool game too.
This is going to take time and I'd even hazard a guess that we may not get much in October either. Forest in good form, terrible record against Spuds but I still believe we will come good.

I think the very least OG deserves is half a season. If we are still where we are now at Christmas then maybe its time to accept the direction we are going isn't working. Until then I think we just have to be realistic and accept its going to be small steps and a gradual turn around. Impatience and hysteria doesn't really do anything except frutrate and wind us fans up even more.

We've had our differences in the past est but I'm with you 100% on this. Glasner will sort it IMO and we'll be in a reasonable position come Christmas.

 

[PatrickA]

None of us on here are football managers (at least that’s my assumption).
We’re all Palace fans familiar with our players and most seem to rate Glasner as a manager.
And this is where it gets tricky….very few(if any) want to persist with this system with square pegs in round holes.
I don’t understand why Chaloboah, a very right footed player was shoehorned into playing on the left of a back 3 on Saturday where to my knowledge he’s never played before.
Arguably it led to the goal as he was caught on his heels and did not cover Jota’s run.

Perhaps I’m being hyper critical.

I’m convinced by the quality of most of most of our players and I also like Glasner as a manager.
I hope he gets the time to demonstrate that he can achieve the results to keep him in the job.
We over achieved at the end of last season and we are underperforming this season.
The true picture has yet to emerge.

 

[Palacesince64]

None of us on here are football managers (at least that’s my assumption).
We’re all Palace fans familiar with our players and most seem to rate Glasner as a manager.
And this is where it gets tricky….very few(if any) want to persist with this system with square pegs in round holes.
I don’t understand why Chaloboah, a very right footed player was shoehorned into playing on the left of a back 3 on Saturday where to my knowledge he’s never played before.
Arguably it led to the goal as he was caught on his heels and did not cover Jota’s run.

Perhaps I’m being hyper critical.

I’m convinced by the quality of most of most of our players and I also like Glasner as a manager.
I hope he gets the time to demonstrate that he can achieve the results to keep him in the job.
We over achieved at the end of last season and we are underperforming this season.
The true picture has yet to emerge.

It’s an odd one. I don’t think Guehi looks comfortable in the centre of a back 3 (although I’m not sure he’s suited to a 3 at all) . Cant help feeling we’d be better with Lacroix in the middle, Guehi on the left, and Chalobah on the right. Ollie must be seeing something in training we’re not seeing.

 

[in-exile]

Plays the same front 3 and its not working, Kamada is just not good enough, he must see this surely?

Brings on Schlupp for Nketiah didn't make sense, some of his ingame tactics are bizarre

Hope he changes things soon, I'll give it till Christmas then it's time for a change maybe get someone like moyes in.

If it's him or Moyes then he can take us down 3 divisions before I would agree..

 

[in-exile]

It’s an odd one. I don’t think Guehi looks comfortable in the centre of a back 3 (although I’m not sure he’s suited to a 3 at all) . Cant help feeling we’d be better with Lacroix in the middle, Guehi on the left, and Chalobah on the right. Ollie must be seeing something in training we’re not seeing.

Guehi not being over on the right to cover Mitchell is part of our problem, that and missing Andersen as the main pivot of the defence.

 

[taylors lovechild]

At this stage of the season a couple of wins on the trot and suddenly everyone will be talking about Europe again, so I don't see there's a reason to panic. As armchair analysts, we all have our views but sometimes what can seem obvious doesn't actually work. I'm still in the camp that we just need to be patient after a disrupted summer. We have a good squad and I can't really see any attractive alternatives out there anyway, unless Tuchel fancies slumming it with us, so where would ditching Glasner get us? We can't just ditch our managers whenever we hit a bad patch. On the positive side, if Glasner does turn things around he will be less likely to be poached for a while after this poor run!

 

[ASCPFC]

Guehi not being over on the right to cover Mitchell is part of our problem, that and missing Andersen as the main pivot of the defence.

Left

 

[in-exile]

Left

Correct ... obviously! 🙂

 

[grumpymort]

Guehi not being over on the right to cover Mitchell is part of our problem, that and missing Andersen as the main pivot of the defence.

No the problem is Mitchell is a squad player not a starter he cant play this 2 roles just look at him he is gassed 2rd half and makes poor choices going forward.

Guehi did play on left side first few games and was done a few times (they are trying to force him to be Andersen when hes a different player all together)

We need to play 3 in middle we keep getting out played the issue is we dont have someone like a Cabaye who can do the defence work but also has very good at getting things moving quickly. (when hughes came on you could see he was trying this but he doesnt have the talent)

Andersen really wasnt good at the back it was his distribution that made difference

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

At this stage of the season a couple of wins on the trot and suddenly everyone will be talking about Europe again, so I don't see there's a reason to panic. As armchair analysts, we all have our views but sometimes what can seem obvious doesn't actually work. I'm still in the camp that we just need to be patient after a disrupted summer. We have a good squad and I can't really see any attractive alternatives out there anyway, unless Tuchel fancies slumming it with us, so where would ditching Glasner get us? We can't just ditch our managers whenever we hit a bad patch. On the positive side, if Glasner does turn things around he will be less likely to be poached for a while after this poor run!

We will know a lot when, which formation and personnel Glasner puts out against Forest, if its a back 3, with Guehi in the middle, and Mitchell and Clyne as WBs, and Eze and Nketiah either side of Mateta, we may as well give up know, one of them middle age catapults would be ideal to send him into the Ocean.
If Glasner doesn't work through it, and i think we all hope he will, along with DeBoer and Vieira, no more foreign managers

 

[ex hibitionist]

We will know a lot when, which formation and personnel Glasner puts out against Forest, if its a back 3, with Guehi in the middle, and Mitchell and Clyne as WBs, and Eze and Nketiah either side of Mateta, we may as well give up know, one of them middle age catapults would be ideal to send him into the Ocean.
If Glasner doesn't work through it, and i think we all hope he will, along with DeBoer and Vieira, no more foreign managers

🙁😡👎 oh dear oh dear, Stoke City have gone the other way, finally went for a non-Brit and they won their second game 6-1, no Klopp, Pep or Arteta? deary me...

 

[Palace Old Geezer]

We will know a lot when, which formation and personnel Glasner puts out against Forest, if its a back 3, with Guehi in the middle, and Mitchell and Clyne as WBs, and Eze and Nketiah either side of Mateta, we may as well give up know, one of them middle age catapults would be ideal to send him into the Ocean.
If Glasner doesn't work through it, and i think we all hope he will, along with DeBoer and Vieira, no more foreign managers

I kind of agree with you Lanzo, but what British manager tickles your fancy? I can't think of any I'd prefer to Ollie - for the time being anyway. We've looked pathetic for sure, but not certain it's all down to the manager.

I've written this before, and I still think there's trouble at t'mill. Things just don't feel right somehow.

 

[Jacey]

Ollie is working hard to turn our fortunes around :

Crystal Palace 2-2 Ipswich: Eagles held to another draw in a friendly

Oliver Glasner is still waiting for his first league win of the season and has stayed behind to work throughout the break.

www.londonworld.com

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

Ollie is working hard to turn our fortunes around :

Crystal Palace 2-2 Ipswich: Eagles held to another draw in a friendly

Oliver Glasner is still waiting for his first league win of the season and has stayed behind to work throughout the break.

www.londonworld.com

Excellent news if Glasner is trying new, Tactics, and formations, it shows some flexibility, good on him.

 

[in-exile]

Excellent news if Glasner is trying new, Tactics, and formations, it shows some flexibility, good on him.

Putting players in their proper positions might also help.

 

[sprites]

At this stage of the season a couple of wins on the trot and suddenly everyone will be talking about Europe again, so I don't see there's a reason to panic. As armchair analysts, we all have our views but sometimes what can seem obvious doesn't actually work. I'm still in the camp that we just need to be patient after a disrupted summer. We have a good squad and I can't really see any attractive alternatives out there anyway, unless Tuchel fancies slumming it with us, so where would ditching Glasner get us? We can't just ditch our managers whenever we hit a bad patch. On the positive side, if Glasner does turn things around he will be less likely to be poached for a while after this poor run!

Excellent post. Agree entirely. Calm down y'all.

 

[Palacesince64]

We will know a lot when, which formation and personnel Glasner puts out against Forest, if its a back 3, with Guehi in the middle, and Mitchell and Clyne as WBs, and Eze and Nketiah either side of Mateta, we may as well give up know, one of them middle age catapults would be ideal to send him into the Ocean.
If Glasner doesn't work through it, and i think we all hope he will, along with DeBoer and Vieira, no more foreign managers

There are 6 English managers in the PL and only one of them has a club in the top 14 (Eddie Howe) and one might reasonably say he is underachieving. In contrast 5 of the bottom 6 teams (we’re the odd one out) have English managers.
The mistake with deBoer and Vierra was that they were appointed with no managerial experience on the basis of their achievements as players. Glasner is an experienced, successful coach who is finding his feet in English football. He will come good.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

There are 6 English managers in the PL and only one of them has a club in the top 14 (Eddie Howe) and one might reasonably say he is underachieving. In contrast 5 of the bottom 6 teams (we’re the odd one out) have English managers.
The mistake with deBoer and Vierra was that they were appointed with no managerial experience on the basis of their achievements as players. Glasner is an experienced, successful coach who is finding his feet in English football. He will come good.

Hope So, I am missing Pards 😎

 

[Palacesince64]

Given the bits of information coming out about Wednesday’s game it looks like Ollie’s hand has been forced by the injury to Munoz and the fact that suddenly we’re down to 3 available centre backs, one of whom was away on international duty.
Four at the back against Forest for sure and if Wharton isn’t fit, maybe 4-1-4-1. Will it be Lerma in front of the back four with Eze, Sarr, Kamada, and Nketiah playing behind JP or Chalobah in front of the back 4 with Lerma in the midfield four and either Nketiah or JP up front?