Is Glasner the problem?

[Davepalace707]

A bit from his interview in Austria(sky) . . . "And that's Crystal Palace" - Oliver Glasner tells Austrian media expectations don't match Eagles reality - Sport Witness

That’s pretty negative. I bet he didn’t say in his job interview that he’d do well just to keep Palace outside the bottom 3.

 

[PatrickA]

That’s pretty negative. I bet he didn’t say in his job interview that he’d do well just to keep Palace outside the bottom 3.

No, he didn't say that.
In fact he said if Palace were looking for another manager who is satisfied with a mid table finish then he wasn't the guy.

Obviously circumstances have changed with the sale of Olise and Anderson and the lack of form and fitness of Wharton.
We just haven't been able to compensate for this and it has had a knock on effect on the form of the likes of Guehi and Mateta.

Despite those comments on joining, Glasner sadly may have to be one of those managers satisfied with a mid table finish after all.

 

[eritheagle]

Heard Alex Crook say on Talksport today that it was purely Glasner's decision to sell Anderson as he wanted Lacroix instead!

I was always under the impresion it was the club just cos of the finances and the contract he wanted.

 

[doombear]

Heard Alex Crook say on Talksport today that it was purely Glasner's decision to sell Anderson as he wanted Lacroix instead!

I was always under the impresion it was the club just cos of the finances and the contract he wanted.

Either way, I believe in the longer run it will prove to have been a smart bit of business. Lacroix is 4 years younger than Andersen and is growing into the CB role.

 

[Eaglehamster]

That’s pretty negative. I bet he didn’t say in his job interview that he’d do well just to keep Palace outside the bottom 3.

What’s new? I suspect that’s been the objective put on every manager since we’ve been in the PL.

 

[edskan]

Glasner's recent chats with media concern me. He doesn't exude confidence like before. Hopefully a win tomorrow will put him and the players back on the right path.

 

[PatrickA]

I see a disconnect between the club’s transfer policy and Glasner’s preferred 343 system.
In the summer he asked for a LWB and he didn’t get it.
He got a right winger (Sarr), a centre forward (Nketiah) and an attacking midfield player (Kamada).
We already have a centre forward in Mateta and an attacking midfield player in Eze, so it’s not immediately apparent for which roles Nketiah and Kamada fit in.
Accordingly attempts have been made to shoehorn them in roles where they don’t appear comfortable.
The argument might be that it’s a squad game, but for a non top 6 club is it realistic to have expensive highly paid players sitting on the bench?

Sarr, Nketiah and Chaloboah have all hit their mid twenties without become established Premier League players .
They have had their moments, but never put together a couple of seasons of consistent , solid performances at Premier League level.

As fans there can be a tendency to look though rose tinted glasses and project forward that their occasional flashes of good form in the past will become the norm when they get regular game time.
It’s a dangerous assumption and it would seem that other clubs weren’t falling over themselves for their services.
Forest nearly did a deal for Nketiah, but that was about it.

Thus we have players who don’t suit the manager’s system and perhaps aren’t all they are cracked up to be.
Kamada and Lacroix appear to be Glasner’s choices.
Sarr, Nketiah and Chaloboah appear to be Freedman’s choices.

Frankly it all looks a bit disjointed.

 

[Willo]

I see a disconnect between the club’s transfer policy and Glasner’s preferred 343 system.
In the summer he asked for a LWB and he didn’t get it.
He got a right winger (Sarr), a centre forward (Nketiah) and an attacking midfield player (Kamada).
We already have a centre forward in Mateta and an attacking midfield player in Eze, so it’s not immediately apparent for which roles Nketiah and Kamada fit in.
Accordingly attempts have been made to shoehorn them in roles where they don’t appear comfortable.
The argument might be that it’s a squad game, but for a non top 6 club is it realistic to have expensive highly paid players sitting on the bench?

Sarr, Nketiah and Chaloboah have all hit their mid twenties without become established Premier League players .
They have had their moments, but never put together a couple of seasons of consistent , solid performances at Premier League level.

As fans there can be a tendency to look though rose tinted glasses and project forward that their occasional flashes of good form in the past will become the norm when they get regular game time.
It’s a dangerous assumption and it would seem that other clubs weren’t falling over themselves for their services.
Forest nearly did a deal for Nketiah, but that was about it.

Thus we have players who don’t suit the manager’s system and perhaps aren’t all they are cracked up to be.
Kamada and Lacroix appear to be Glasner’s choices.
Sarr, Nketiah and Chaloboah appear to be Freedman’s choices.

Frankly it all looks a bit disjointed.

Hear Hear
I garland these observations with approbation.

 

[NEILLO]

It's no secret that Freedman has long coveted Sarr and Nketieh.

At the moment it looks like we signed them purely on the basis of them being available rather than what we needed.

However, a win tonight ( unlikely as that may seem ) would dispel the doom and gloom and lift a weight of the shoulders of the players.

Here's hoping !

 

[est1905]

It's no secret that Freedman has long coveted Sarr and Nketieh.

At the moment it looks like we signed them purely on the basis of them being available rather than what we needed.

However, a win tonight ( unlikely as that may seem ) would dispel the doom and gloom and lift a weight of the shoulders of the players.

Here's hoping !

I dont really see it as unlikely that we'll win tonight. I see it as a 50/50 game. On paper Forest are not a better team than us. Far from it. especially if their manager is serving a touchline ban and Gibbs-White is suspended.
If we start strong and go for the throat I think we can win.
And should that happen OG is finally off and running. Yes we'll pick up more disappointments along the way but enough confidence will flow back into the team and Glasner's ideas will hopefully start to come across more.

 

[Jacey]

A loss tonight,followed by almost certain defeat against Spurs,must have Wolves licking their lips at the thought of playing us and achieving their first win of the season as they leapfrog us ,and send us to the bottom of the table.

 

[JHB]

Yep. He’s the problem. At the moment we don’t do anything well and certainly not to Premier League standard. 8 games in and haven’t looked like winning one. 5 goals scored. Still can’t defend set plays. Still can’t create chances. Players such as Munoz and Eze getting worse, not better. Refuses to change a formation that isn’t working. We need to make a change before we get cut adrift at the bottom.

 

[fish mitten]

Difficult to defend Glasner after tonight’s decision’s but I still blame SP and DF for ripping the squad apart right at the end of the transfer window. Players bought in in positions we didn’t need and not ones where we did. It seems the manager has to rip up his system to accommodate the players DF identifies.
SP has been very lucky before, eventually that will run out.

 

[eaglesdare]

Absolutely crying out for a 4-4-2 or 4-5-1.
We can all see it.

Can see Moyes being in charge very soon.

 

[PatrickA]

I think Glasner will be gone by or during the next international break.
I take no pleasure in saying this, but we have to accept it's not working and he doesn't know how to fix it.
This is not a knee jerk reaction to tonight, but a reflection of all of our performances this season.
Bizarre tactics, substitutions, in game shifts.
At one point he had Schlupp at RWB and Munoz at LWB.
He plays Sarr anywhere except his natural position of right wing.
The confidence is low, which is to be expected with the results, but the problems look deeper rooted.
If he does go, where next for a manager.
Personally I'm not keen on Moyes, but as an out of work manager he may be the obvious one.

 

[Willo]

I think Glasner will be gone by or during the next international break.
I take no pleasure in saying this, but we have to accept it's not working and he doesn't know how to fix it.
This is not a knee jerk reaction to tonight, but a reflection of all of our performances this season.
Bizarre tactics, substitutions, in game shifts.
At one point he had Schlupp at RWB and Munoz at LWB.
He plays Sarr anywhere except his natural position of right wing.
The confidence is low, which is to be expected with the results, but the problems look deeper rooted.
If he does go, where next for a manager.
Personally I'm not keen on Moyes, but as an out of work manager he may be the obvious one.

I suppose the 'Board' might reflect on last season's resurgence under Glasner and might consider that whilst we are in 'Pitchy seas' we have only played 8 PL games this season and have not been comprehensively defeated.
They might opine that Glasner has 'Credit in the bank' and could afford him the time to revive our fortunes.

 

[Davepalace707]

I suppose the 'Board' might reflect on last season's resurgence under Glasner and might consider that whilst we are in 'Pitchy seas' we have only played 8 PL games this season and have not been comprehensively defeated.
They might opine that Glasner has 'Credit in the bank' and could afford him the time to revive our fortunes.

We might not have had a heavy defeat but equally we haven’t look like winning any of them. And now we don’t even look like scoring. And how is that going to change?

 

[PatrickA]

I suppose the 'Board' might reflect on last season's resurgence under Glasner and might consider that whilst we are in 'Pitchy seas' we have only played 8 PL games this season and have not been comprehensively defeated.
They might opine that Glasner has 'Credit in the bank' and could afford him the time to revive our fortunes.

I can understand this reasonable view, but I don't think Glasner will change his approach and I don't belive the system will work with the current players.
It looks to me that the players don't believe it either.

We're not creating chances ( just long shots) , scoring goals or keeping clean sheets.
We're not even faced particularly good teams this season and are still struggling.
Narrow defeats are all well and good but haven't got us points and they won't in the future.

I hope we win the next 2 games and our season starts and Glasner remains, but I can find no reasons to sustain that hope.

 

[Sansbup]

I suppose the 'Board' might reflect on last season's resurgence under Glasner and might consider that whilst we are in 'Pitchy seas' we have only played 8 PL games this season and have not been comprehensively defeated.
They might opine that Glasner has 'Credit in the bank' and could afford him the time to revive our fortunes.

But you can't keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
Kamada is a waste of space and must be dropped, which he did before the break but has reversed for no good reason. To keep playing him will end up with Glasner's sacking.

 

[Palacesince64]

Eze and Nketiah had a couple of decent shots on goal but to be honest, those shots aside they were just as poor as Kamada. The truth is we’re toothless up front and there’s always a mistake in us defensively somewhere.