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Is Glasner the problem?

orpingtoneagle said:
The club is a dysfunctional mess from top to bottom.

This is down to Parish and his stubborn desire to cling to power.

He is the minority shareholder but continues to run the club employing his old pals in random roles. (What does Mark Brought, however nice a guy and however much a Palace hero actually do?)

We have a major shareholder who not only wants out, but also seems to be himself having financial difficulties (with Eagle holdings late in submission of its accounts) and our own ship structure with Parish in control means no one in their right mind wants to pump their name Ney in and see someone else control it.

We seem to have a director of football who however good some signings are controls transfers and clearly some of these do not fit the managers style of play. This with a manager known to favour a rigid style.

In the summer we sold some great players and replaced them with inferior versions and odd signings like Kamada who being played out of position looks poor. We have other players wanting away.

So I reckon our problems run deeper than the manager and could see our relegation and further sales of some very talented players

We are far worse right now than the sum of our parts
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Not properly replacing departing players has been an issue at Palace ever since CPFC2010 took over.
With Riad out injured and Lacroix playing reasonably well that can't be said of defence so much but the attack that was so effective under Glasner last year has seriously been degraded.

I just can't figure why time and time again the DoF allows that to happen. The club was even publicly called out on this by Allardyce but it never changes. This is the core reason why it's perpetually "One step forward, two steps back" for us, and I'm so over it.
 
PalazioVecchio said:
Jamie Carragher expressed some surprise that a little club like Palace could get a top top manager like Glasner. I expect Glasner is now wondering the same thing. Capable of getting a job in the Champions League and managing some footballing royalty.

If Glasner walks, of his own accord, we will be doomed. Effectively, Back in the Championship by Christmas.
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He isn't a top, top manager, he won the Europa league by beating Rangers, yes Rangers in the final, shows the quality of opposition in that tournament, he would be at a bigger club if he was a top, top manager, if Pep took over and played the same style as Man city do, it would be a disaster, because we don't have the players to play that way.
 
crvenaeagle said:
Not properly replacing departing players has been an issue at Palace ever since CPFC2010 took over.
With Riad out injured and Lacroix playing reasonably well that can't be said of defence so much but the attack that was so effective under Glasner last year has seriously been degraded.

I just can't figure why time and time again the DoF allows that to happen. The club was even publicly called out on this by Allardyce but it never changes. This is the core reason why it's perpetually "One step forward, two steps back" for us, and I'm so over it.
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as i said ten minutes ago. A lack of financial ambition from the Boardroom.
 
PalazioVecchio said:
as i said ten minutes ago. A lack of financial ambition from the Boardroom.
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The summer transfer business was poor more in who we let go than anything. Selling Anderson and Ayew was an error. Having said that whenever the board have shown “financial ambition” it has never worked well. Our biggest money signings have been some of our most disappointing like Benteke. I think Nketiah was our most expensive signing this summer and he does not look great.
 
PalazioVecchio said:
as i said ten minutes ago. A lack of financial ambition from the Boardroom.
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Been saying for a long time, our owners lack any real ambition. Well apart from Parish, unfortunately he doesn't have the money, the Americans are clearly not that interested.
We're consistently the lowest spenders in the league, any manager will struggle when comparing budgets.
 
Addressing the original question, after last night, sadly he may be.
There's the Kamada issue which so many people have correctly raised, but then the substitutions. Bring on JPM - fine. Then on comes Schlupp for Mitchel and plays on the right with an out of salt Munoz asked to switch to the left. It wasn't a tactical masterstroke it was stupid and desperate. Finally bought on the young lad for his debut which was very noble but wrong. Sarr should have been on for Kamada a long time before.
The glimpses of him on the touchline were telling. Seemed to spend too much time in deep conversation with his assistants with that bloody ipad in front of them. Needs to be in the technical area as a presence. No need to shout and bawl if that's not his style.
Finally find a leader on the pitch. Said before I'd reinstate Ward despite his frailties. Chalobah wasn't that great, so he could make way.
You then have to address the question if not Glasner, who. I don't fancy Moyes or Potter, boldly assuming both would be interested! Well maybe tickets will be easier to get next year.
 
We will see the same v Spurs.
Same system, same tactical approach even if some of the players are changed.

It's not working and is not even close to working.

That's why I think Glasner will eventually go.

The debate as to how much he's to blame is irrelevant.
Whether he's had the support, how he's been let down by the sale of players etc.

He's a very likeable person but I genuinely believe he will continue with these methods which won't work and thus the conclusion has as air of inevitability.

I suspect the board will already be sounding out options.
It would be expensive to dismiss him as he brought a group of coaches with him who no doubt would also leave.

To those who think he should stay, when do you draw the line?
After the next two games?
Christmas?
We're likely to be in and around the bottom 3 and bear in mind we have Man City and Arsenal to face before Christmas.
 
crvenaeagle said:
Not properly replacing departing players has been an issue at Palace ever since CPFC2010 took over.
With Riad out injured and Lacroix playing reasonably well that can't be said of defence so much but the attack that was so effective under Glasner last year has seriously been degraded.

I just can't figure why time and time again the DoF allows that to happen. The club was even publicly called out on this by Allardyce but it never changes. This is the core reason why it's perpetually "One step forward, two steps back" for us, and I'm so over it.
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Its probably something to do with the fact a football club costs a lot to run.

Our model has to be buy on a budget and sell for a profit - that's how clubs below the very top operate. We are never going to top numbers for income outside of player sales.

Look back over the last 10 years as the big money purchases.

Sakho - great but brittle
Benteke - never got used well
Franca - a bit lightweight.

When we do invest big money, it doesn't seem to go well. So you have to find young and up and coming players that you can resell.

If you just bring in a team of aging big money journeymen - eventually you get found out. History is littered with this. Think Bolton (a Sam Allardyce) club.

I've a lot of confidence in the board and Dougie - they seem able to identify a player. But then it is a case of finding the right coach to go alongside and from what I've seen of Glasner that isn't him. Roy was the kind of bloke to would be given a power drill, but still use a hand drill and then complain it was hard work.

There was a lot of talk he needs to be backed - well by all accounts he sanctioned Anderson so he could get Lacroix. There are injuries as well, but a good manager adapts. Last night we looked lost and no one knew where to look for leadership.

That and his substitutions are at times baffling. All the best managers have an arrogant streak - its what makes them the best. But then so do crap ones - and that is what makes them crap.
But he has been backed - Olise no one could do anything about, we were lucky to have him as long as we did. The players he identifies - such as Kamada don't seem suited to this league at this point - and that is an issue.

He can take the positives for last night - he was being paid to watch it.
 
PalazioVecchio said:
as i said ten minutes ago. A lack of financial ambition from the Boardroom.
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We sold two players, Andersen and Ayew, we didn't sell Olise, we had no choice,
We have bought Kamada, Nketiah, Sarr, Riad, Lacroix and loaned Chalabah, so about 65m and added about 450k a week on salary, which is about 23m a year, and saved about 11m a year on wages, i have know idea what we ended up with for Olise, about 40m? and 24m GBP if you believe Transfermkt, for Andersen, the fact that we have bought the wrong players, is surely down to Freedman and even more so Glasner.
 
PatrickA said:
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To those who think he should stay, when do you draw the line?
After the next two games?
Christmas?
We're likely to be in and around the bottom 3 and bear in mind we have Man City and Arsenal to face before Christmas.
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In general the time comes in December before the January window opens, if Wharton and Doucoure aren't back or about to come back you have to spend and its always big money. Hughes, Kamada and Lerma aren't going to turn this around and lets face it Franca has turned out to be little more than a sick note.
Do you let someone that has failed (for whatever reason) spend the dosh or give it to someone else. In almost all cases its someone else.
 
PatrickA said:
We will see the same v Spurs.
Same system, same tactical approach even if some of the players are changed.

It's not working and is not even close to working.

That's why I think Glasner will eventually go.

The debate as to how much he's to blame is irrelevant.
Whether he's had the support, how he's been let down by the sale of players etc.

He's a very likeable person but I genuinely believe he will continue with these methods which won't work and thus the conclusion has as air of inevitability.

I suspect the board will already be sounding out options.
It would be expensive to dismiss him as he brought a group of coaches with him who no doubt would also leave.

To those who think he should stay, when do you draw the line?
After the next two games?
Christmas?
We're likely to be in and around the bottom 3 and bear in mind we have Man City and Arsenal to face before Christmas.
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Thank god, someone with common sense, keep Glasner certain relegation, change manager, a chance of survival, it is as simple as that, in 5 games time with no wins, see what the top manager fans think then.
 
PatrickA said:
We will see the same v Spurs.
Same system, same tactical approach even if some of the players are changed.

It's not working and is not even close to working.

That's why I think Glasner will eventually go.

The debate as to how much he's to blame is irrelevant.
Whether he's had the support, how he's been let down by the sale of players etc.

He's a very likeable person but I genuinely believe he will continue with these methods which won't work and thus the conclusion has as air of inevitability.

I suspect the board will already be sounding out options.
It would be expensive to dismiss him as he brought a group of coaches with him who no doubt would also leave.

To those who think he should stay, when do you draw the line?
After the next two games?
Christmas?
We're likely to be in and around the bottom 3 and bear in mind we have Man City and Arsenal to face before Christmas.
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I think Glasner will keep his job until the next International Break. Mainly for the mitigating circumstances of some of the players performances this season and the ' collateral ' he has from the end of season run from last year.

However, if we have not won a game by that point then I am sure the Board, principally Parish, will start to get twitchy. So if we fail to beat Spurs/Wolves/Fulham then I can see a parting of the ways.

I really want Glasner to succeed but last nights performance suggested that he has lost his way and can't see a way to win a game. Team selections and tactics are always going to be questioned at times like this, but you would expect your multi million pound earning manager to recognise when things aren't working and have a plan to change things. I'm not seeing any evidence of that.
 
NEILLO said:
I think Glasner will keep his job until the next International Break. Mainly for the mitigating circumstances of some of the players performances this season and the ' collateral ' he has from the end of season run from last year.

However, if we have not won a game by that point then I am sure the Board, principally Parish, will start to get twitchy. So if we fail to beat Spurs/Wolves/Fulham then I can see a parting of the ways.

I really want Glasner to succeed but last nights performance suggested that he has lost his way and can't see a way to win a game. Team selections and tactics are always going to be questioned at times like this, but you would expect your multi million pound earning manager to recognise when things aren't working and have a plan to change things. I'm not seeing any evidence of that.
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Probably will be that long.
 
eagleman13 said:
I think the players, well most of them, have stopped playing for him. He's lost(losing) the dressing room.
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I sense you are right and it has elements of De Boer all over again; a coach who is very stubborn and appears surprisingly inflexible in his approach. One can only wonder what Parish - and indeed Freedman - are really thinking especially given their closeness to the players?
I also seem to recall that Textor played quite an important role in Glasner's appointment - ironic given his current situation with Palace. All in all, it certainly doesn't appear a happy ship
 
The Guardian is now reporting that there are (unsurprisingly) doubts from the club's hierarchy about Glasner's future and the persistence with the tactical system which is not working .
The article mentions Moyes, Potter and Southgate as 3 potential currently out of work candidates.
It also states that we had previous discussions with Potter when Hodgson was at the club, which I was unaware of.
If he didn't join then, I'm not sure what would have changed to suggest he would join now.
Perhaps that he's still out of work and the top club offer hasn't materialised?
In any event, he could be another Glasner with his tactical approach and strange selections.
What the players need at the moment is clarity of purpose and direction not a chessboard approach which only works in theory.
 
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