In all fairness to Glasner, Lacroix has been our best signing, I've been impressed with him, I still believe Andersen offers more but with the offer from Fulham and their ages, the transfer made sense. I said at the time I'd personally rather sell Guehi and keep Andersen, plenty on here disagreed at the time tho.
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Is Glasner the problem?
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I now have this image of a 'Carry on Screaming,' type scenario with Parish standing over tanks with Roy and Ray cryogenically suspended in them and thinking
Once more into the breach dear friends....
Once more into the breach dear friends....
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There are countless issues with this team, the main one is the quality of the chances we are creating. last night showed that we're too easy to defend against. We do create chances which is something, but just don't have the quality to finish it off.
Both Nketiah and Eze resorting to shooting from distance which simply isn't working. Last season our top 3 all worked in unison, creating chances of all natures. I don't see it this year. Just seems to be 'get it to Eze or Nketiah, and they'll run and shoot'.. who very rarely combine and run for each other.
There are very few crosses or pull backs which is why JPM isn't working.
No Wharton playing in balls behind the lines. which is another reason JPM isn't working.
Kamada looks like a Jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none, often finding himself in the right place without the ability to anything, like kick a football.
Then there's all the individual errors. lapses in concentration either gifting the oppo a goal or spurning another chance, it's getting ridiculous quite frankly.
This is all due to the attacking options purchased being woefully inadequate. Nketiah was a decent purchase (considering JPMs form at the time), but one that we've been after for ages, so obvs not a glasner siging. Same story with Sarr. but Kamada is a shocker. Quite why Sarr gets doesnt get the kind of run of games Kamada has been treated to, i'm not sure.
Defensively losing Johnstone AND Henderson now looks foolish. Guehi moving to center of a 3 equally so, simply not enough of a presence in that position.
There are glimpses of a good team in there, but it's riddled with managerial and individual errors. It's unfathomable as to how different a side we look compared to when Glasner took over.
Both Nketiah and Eze resorting to shooting from distance which simply isn't working. Last season our top 3 all worked in unison, creating chances of all natures. I don't see it this year. Just seems to be 'get it to Eze or Nketiah, and they'll run and shoot'.. who very rarely combine and run for each other.
There are very few crosses or pull backs which is why JPM isn't working.
No Wharton playing in balls behind the lines. which is another reason JPM isn't working.
Kamada looks like a Jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none, often finding himself in the right place without the ability to anything, like kick a football.
Then there's all the individual errors. lapses in concentration either gifting the oppo a goal or spurning another chance, it's getting ridiculous quite frankly.
This is all due to the attacking options purchased being woefully inadequate. Nketiah was a decent purchase (considering JPMs form at the time), but one that we've been after for ages, so obvs not a glasner siging. Same story with Sarr. but Kamada is a shocker. Quite why Sarr gets doesnt get the kind of run of games Kamada has been treated to, i'm not sure.
Defensively losing Johnstone AND Henderson now looks foolish. Guehi moving to center of a 3 equally so, simply not enough of a presence in that position.
There are glimpses of a good team in there, but it's riddled with managerial and individual errors. It's unfathomable as to how different a side we look compared to when Glasner took over.
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The press are making misleading statements sharpening the knives.
BBC: Palace are "enduring their worst start to a season since 1992-93"
How exactly have they come to that conclusion?
In 17/18 we have exactly the same number of points after 8 games except this side has conceded 11 scored 5, and that De Boar/Roy team had conceded 18 scored 3 (worse).
The 13/14 team made a worse start as well, conceding more goals and didn't achieve more than 3 points until gameweek 11.
I am not saying we are OK and not to worry, but we have been in worse situations.
BBC: Palace are "enduring their worst start to a season since 1992-93"
How exactly have they come to that conclusion?
In 17/18 we have exactly the same number of points after 8 games except this side has conceded 11 scored 5, and that De Boar/Roy team had conceded 18 scored 3 (worse).
The 13/14 team made a worse start as well, conceding more goals and didn't achieve more than 3 points until gameweek 11.
I am not saying we are OK and not to worry, but we have been in worse situations.
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We don't look likely to win though either. We're doing the same thing over and over and expecting something different to happen. It won't.
2 great saves yesterday and hit the post twice, i still feel forest were deserved winners and the better team just. But we've not been convincingly beat this season and have been the better team for atleast 45 minutes overall in every game. We've been far from great but I belive we've not had the rub of the green aswell. The problem now is the players can't be waiting for that bit of luck to win then games. They need 100% effort all over the pitch, to start winning ugly and grind out a few results.
It is fair to see we haven’t lost heavily but we haven’t been the better team in any of our league games this season, not one. When you look at the fixtures we’ve had that is a massive red flag. I don’t think you can really say we’ve been unlucky, we’ve just been bad.
I think I agree. We don’t look threatening up front right now. No real movement or passing in front of the box. Long shots and dribbling across the box does not cut it. keep willing the guys to come through the centre and combine to create real threats.
Glasner was interviewed before the game yesterday and indicated that he believed the system to be a non issue as the players shift and adapt over the course of a game.
For example I suppose Munoz often appears high and wide on the right and the right sided centre back moves to cover him so it becomes a back 4 rather than a back 3/5.
The thing is that although in theory this may seem ok , in practice it’s not working.
Munoz is fulfilling neither the role of traditional full back nor wing back.
We are totally ineffectual (and have been all season ) down our right.
This is in addition to trying to turn a steady defensive left back in Mitchell into a LWB.
It doesn’t work.
Furthermore, the Glasner system envisages the front 3 playing close together and linking up and having an understanding of each other’s game.
However, whichever permutation he uses from Mateta, Nketiah, Kamada, Eze and Sarr it’s not working.
The generous amongst you may say it’s not had enough time and there are mitigating circumstances.
I will go out on a limb and will say it won’t work, particularly in the absence of Wharton with his clever passing.
There is no chemistry between the forwards at all.
Hence the resorting to long shots and lack of interplay between them.
The theory of the system may be ok, but not with the current players available in the squad.
Any manager is judged on results and Glasner will know that.
For example I suppose Munoz often appears high and wide on the right and the right sided centre back moves to cover him so it becomes a back 4 rather than a back 3/5.
The thing is that although in theory this may seem ok , in practice it’s not working.
Munoz is fulfilling neither the role of traditional full back nor wing back.
We are totally ineffectual (and have been all season ) down our right.
This is in addition to trying to turn a steady defensive left back in Mitchell into a LWB.
It doesn’t work.
Furthermore, the Glasner system envisages the front 3 playing close together and linking up and having an understanding of each other’s game.
However, whichever permutation he uses from Mateta, Nketiah, Kamada, Eze and Sarr it’s not working.
The generous amongst you may say it’s not had enough time and there are mitigating circumstances.
I will go out on a limb and will say it won’t work, particularly in the absence of Wharton with his clever passing.
There is no chemistry between the forwards at all.
Hence the resorting to long shots and lack of interplay between them.
The theory of the system may be ok, but not with the current players available in the squad.
Any manager is judged on results and Glasner will know that.
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I think I’ll take a break from reading posts on here. Watching Palace is depressing enough without having to read all the posts.
I dont think our transfer business was awful at all. Nketiah could in the long term prove a great signing. Lacroix is getting better every game. Riad is now out for a while so unknown. Sarr is a proven quality winger at this level. The only player there are concerns about is Kamada and while he may not be able to adapt to the Prem (it happens) you cant blame OG or the owners for signing him. He was an important player for Frankfurt and Lazio before us.
Take him out the spotlight for a while and he may yet come back into the team in better form.
There is massive doubt about that comment. Just because its your opinion does not make it so.
The players must take a huge slice of responsibility for this form.
Do you think Arsenal would tolerate Saka returning from International duty off form but not drop him? Or Foden at City? Of course not. The difference is with us our bench is not strong enough to cover our best players being off form. We have no choice but to play them and they are not exactly busting a gut to improve.
I just do not understand the mentality of the fans that say continue with Glasner, he will play the same tactics game after game, loss after loss, ignoring completely his highly paid job of getting the best out of the players he has, it is not hard to spot who is the problem.
so you think the players not busting a gut isn't down to professor Glasner, i bet you thought Vieira was a decent manager too
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I hope you are right but so far Nketiah hasn’t worked out, hasn’t scored and it was a lot of money for somebody who has basically been a sub at Premier League level. Sarr isn’t really proven at this level. He’s had flashes but been inconsistent. 10 goals in 58 Premier League appearances is not amazing for a forward player. Lacroix is definitely improving but is a downgrade on Anderson at this stage. Kamada has offered very little so far. Clearly I hope they all come good but the players we’ve brought in are to this point worse than those we let go.