Is Glasner the problem?

[The Heath Eagle]

so you think the players not busting a gut isn't down to professor Glasner, i bet you thought Vieira was a decent manager too

I don't think he is the main problem and I don't think he has lost the players. The players are trying. Last night was a draw apart from that Henderson fumble. A point away from home at a team joint 7th in addition to a very credible performance against Liverpool isn't bad, but performances are not enough we now need results.

I think our attacking patterns, progression through midfield at times, and confidence are the main issues. Our defending has been 'OK' considering we are lacking a real cutting edge. I feel if we can start to create more clear cut opportunities Glasner will turn it around. I definitely give him the next 3 league games

 

[Teddy Eagle]

I do like Glasner and while accepting English isn't his first language it looks as though his quotes fit Basil Fawlty's description, "specialist subject: stating the bleeding obvious".

“Maybe it is [time] to change the shape. Today (Monday) we played 3-5-2, maybe we need more players on the pitch who have scored goals and have shown they can score goals.

“It was my decision not to start JP [Mateta] – maybe we need more players on the pitch who can score goals and to find the right formation. This is what I’m thinking about.”

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

I do like Glasner and while accepting English isn't his first language it looks as though his quotes fit Basil Fawlty's description, "specialist subject: stating the bleeding obvious".

“Maybe it is [time] to change the shape. Today (Monday) we played 3-5-2, maybe we need more players on the pitch who have scored goals and have shown they can score goals.

“It was my decision not to start JP [Mateta] – maybe we need more players on the pitch who can score goals and to find the right formation. This is what I’m thinking about.”

Really, and he is a top, top manager 🤔

 

[sprites]

There are countless issues with this team, the main one is the quality of the chances we are creating. last night showed that we're too easy to defend against. We do create chances which is something, but just don't have the quality to finish it off.
Both Nketiah and Eze resorting to shooting from distance which simply isn't working. Last season our top 3 all worked in unison, creating chances of all natures. I don't see it this year. Just seems to be 'get it to Eze or Nketiah, and they'll run and shoot'.. who very rarely combine and run for each other.
There are very few crosses or pull backs which is why JPM isn't working.
No Wharton playing in balls behind the lines. which is another reason JPM isn't working.
Kamada looks like a Jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none, often finding himself in the right place without the ability to anything, like kick a football.
Then there's all the individual errors. lapses in concentration either gifting the oppo a goal or spurning another chance, it's getting ridiculous quite frankly.

This is all due to the attacking options purchased being woefully inadequate. Nketiah was a decent purchase (considering JPMs form at the time), but one that we've been after for ages, so obvs not a glasner siging. Same story with Sarr. but Kamada is a shocker. Quite why Sarr gets doesnt get the kind of run of games Kamada has been treated to, i'm not sure.
Defensively losing Johnstone AND Henderson now looks foolish. Guehi moving to center of a 3 equally so, simply not enough of a presence in that position.

There are glimpses of a good team in there, but it's riddled with managerial and individual errors. It's unfathomable as to how different a side we look compared to when Glasner took over.

Is the form you're referring to the form that banged in circa 20 goals for club and country in the space of half a season...?

Nketiah was always going to be surplus to requirements. Stupid buy at such a price imo.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

So the top, top manager didn't think that the third top scorer in the rolling premiership year, best option for trying to score more goals was not playing him, so we wait 3/4 games while he pontificates about whether to play the two strikers up front.

 

[DANGERCLOSE]

Glasner has only got:

Spurs H
Villa A cup game
Wolverhampton A
Fulham H

Can he do it?????????

 

[pssguy]

It is fair to see we haven’t lost heavily but we haven’t been the better team in any of our league games this season, not one. When you look at the fixtures we’ve had that is a massive red flag. I don’t think you can really say we’ve been unlucky, we’ve just been bad.

If you go by xG, which is a fair reflection as the only game that has ended in a more than one goal defeat was from West Ham's late goals, we would have 6 points. Still nothing special

The only game where we have been severely outplayed was at Chelsea, where we actually picked up a point. The only game we deserved to win was against Leicester where we equalized at the death

You could definitely say we were unlucky that Eze's goal against Brentford was disallowed and the ref's chief said we should have had a penalty against Liverpool.

I'm sure that the board want Glasner to succeed for financial reasons if nothing else and will give him a bit longer. Ipswich and Southampton have looked worse than us but it all looks a way off the 9-11th place most of the pundits were predicting

Glasner has only won one match, his first, without Olise and that was against a Burnley team that didn't turn up. Even then, it took us the best part of an hour to score against 10 men. That was actually one of the two games in 30+ years I have attended in person so perhaps they should sign me up as a lucky mascot

 

[Eagle-Trucker]

Glasner has only got:

Spurs H
Villa A cup game
Wolverhampton A
Fulham H

Can he do it?????????

I'm going to go out on a limb and say absolutely not. I reckon we will struggle to get 1 win , and we will be out of the cup.

 

[CrazyBadger]

Is the form you're referring to the form that banged in circa 20 goals for club and country in the space of half a season...?

Nketiah was always going to be surplus to requirements. Stupid buy at such a price imo.

well, in a word; Yes.

we needed a 2nd striker as cover, Nketiah seemed a good option at the time. pricey? yes, a little, but arent all strikers?

 

[Phil’s Barber]

If you go by xG, which is a fair reflection as the only game that has ended in a more than one goal defeat was from West Ham's late goals, we would have 6 points. Still nothing special

The only game where we have been severely outplayed was at Chelsea, where we actually picked up a point. The only game we deserved to win was against Leicester where we equalized at the death

You could definitely say we were unlucky that Eze's goal against Brentford was disallowed and the ref's chief said we should have had a penalty against Liverpool.

I'm sure that the board want Glasner to succeed for financial reasons if nothing else and will give him a bit longer. Ipswich and Southampton have looked worse than us but it all looks a way off the 9-11th place most of the pundits were predicting

Glasner has only won one match, his first, without Olise and that was against a Burnley team that didn't turn up. Even then, it took us the best part of an hour to score against 10 men. That was actually one of the two games in 30+ years I have attended in person so perhaps they should sign me up as a lucky mascot

We deserved to beat Brentford. The disallowed Eze goal robbed us of victory that day and we were the better team. It’s amazing what a difference that result has made to our confidence and performances.

 

[radicalsteve]

After the Intl. break there had been a good 2 weeks to come up with a new game plan, but we didn't and therefore were toothless and completely impotent in their final third. So that says something, we were very predictable and the subs made no real impact. Glasner may not be the only reason we are failing, but the only game he won without Olise was against relegated Burnley down to 10 men. Where will the next win come from? We had Olise, we had Wilf, now we have no-one who can be a game winner🙁

We all basked in the artificially sunny results at the end last season, but if you strip it down, opposing teams were mediocre or tired, and the Liverpool result was just pure luck on our part, we were outplayed that day by a fair margin.
Four more games left for him, which yet again means Parish has to act before Potter/Moyes et al go to Wolves or whoever also fires their manager before January. But it will be the same sad old story for Palace ...... no money to invest, a depleted squad and being dependant on other bottom teams to see if we stay up.
I am getting so tired of this, so tired of other clubs consolidating their EPL status while we flounder in mediocrity and persisting in a managerial "revolving door" strategy. I guess Southgate will come in and totally screw it up.

 

[Vaibow]

Is it that simple ? I disagree.

I was interested in an interview that Marc Guehi gave in which he admitted to not playing particularly well this season. And he put that down to not having a proper pre season. If you subscribe to that view, then the same can be said of Wharton, Eze, Henderson, Lerma and Munoz. That's potentially half of our starting line up. Although I think Henderson has performed better than the others mentioned.

The buck stops with Glasner in terms of results, and he has to accept responsibility for where we are, but as mentioned elsewhere in this thread there are mitigating circumstances. And they go beyond the lack of pre season that I described.

I think we will see some tactical and positional changes from him. If they don't bear fruit then we are in for a difficult season.

You said you disagree with me saying OG needs to adapt to the prem... then say the buck stops with OG, and then finish with saying you think we will see tactical and positional changes and if they don't bear fruit we are in for a difficult season.... that's the exact same thing...

So it really is that simple... OG needs to adapt and change what isn't working...

I hope he does, I hope he has the experience as I really want him to succeed and in order to succeed he needs to stop what isn't working...

 

[Adrift]

The answer lies with Geuhi. Do we really need him?

Lacroix looks like a success now that he's played himself him, Chalobah seems fine as long as the mistakes can be ironed out, we have Cliff Richards (Congratulations) and Chadi Riad to come back. There are other options in case of injury.

It doesn't matter who the manager is when the midfield is Hughes, Lerma and Kamada. No manager will get enough points to stay up with those 3.

Although I have confidence in the return of Wharton to fitness don't forget Doucoure has been on the sick for nearly a year.

Newcastle will cough £60mil which is enough for 2 Premierships standard players, there's the midfield fixed.

 

[taylors lovechild]

When Glasner arrived he talked about wanting to make football fun, about creating lots of chances and scoring lots of goals. We pressed teams and at times we made our own luck. We've stopped pressing, we've stopped the quick interplay, we've stopped creating chances. It is almost as if the club has been cursed. Glasner now needs to find a way of bringing the fun back as we seem as far away from his philosophy of fun as Hughes is to a suntan. As bad as things look I still think once we get that first win the players will relax a bit and we'll push on. Hopefully that first win comes this season.

Of the rumoured replacements:
Moyes - 😒
Potter - 😕
Southgate - 😢

 

[beak]

I would tolerate Vanessa Feltz rather than what we are suffering now.

 

[NEILLO]

You said you disagree with me saying OG needs to adapt to the prem... then say the buck stops with OG, and then finish with saying you think we will see tactical and positional changes and if they don't bear fruit we are in for a difficult season.... that's the exact same thing...

So it really is that simple... OG needs to adapt and change what isn't working...

I hope he does, I hope he has the experience as I really want him to succeed and in order to succeed he needs to stop what isn't working...

I said I disagree with it being that simple.

That there are additional reasons for our situation.

But just adapting to the Prem ? Well he's had 4 months from last season and we are deep into the 3rd. month this season. How long is it going to take ?

Glasner likes to play in a certain way. That only consistently bore fruit at the end of last season. He needs to be more flexible and consider other ways to get the best of of the squad. Whether you call that adapting to the Prem I don't know. For me it's about being more than a one trick pony tactically.

Like you I hope he can turn things around.

 

[MFW94]

I really hope we try and stick with him however its a results business and some of decision making has been baffling. - Monday was evident of that

Eddie should of stayed on, Agbionne should of come on earlier!

I think yes most of the blame lies with the squad and some of the decisions the board/dougie made in the summer. (Losing Ayew is proving a bigger miss than a lot think - especially in away games!)

I just feel like we are going through the motions like we did the last few under Paddy Vieira.

We will no doubt put in an improved performance sunday and run them close - but still predictably lose 1-0 at home like we always do to spurs. ( my spurs mate says selhurst is the toughest place to go but they always win!!)

Then we play wolves away - who yes are struggling but they have already played Chelsea, City, Villa, Arsenal and Liverpool - they did get battered by Brentford though. and I think Oneil may be limited tactically, I think he may be able to bang some heads together for results.

I cant see glasner staying on if we dont atleast get 3 points from Wolves, then really should be atleast getting a point against Fulham at home

I am sick and tired of close fought 1-0 losses without playing extremely badly but not extrmely well with moments of lapse in concentration

 

[MrRobbo]

Glasner was interviewed before the game yesterday and indicated that he believed the system to be a non issue as the players shift and adapt over the course of a game.
For example I suppose Munoz often appears high and wide on the right and the right sided centre back moves to cover him so it becomes a back 4 rather than a back 3/5.
The thing is that although in theory this may seem ok , in practice it’s not working.
Munoz is fulfilling neither the role of traditional full back nor wing back.
We are totally ineffectual (and have been all season ) down our right.
This is in addition to trying to turn a steady defensive left back in Mitchell into a LWB.
It doesn’t work.

Furthermore, the Glasner system envisages the front 3 playing close together and linking up and having an understanding of each other’s game.
However, whichever permutation he uses from Mateta, Nketiah, Kamada, Eze and Sarr it’s not working.
The generous amongst you may say it’s not had enough time and there are mitigating circumstances.
I will go out on a limb and will say it won’t work, particularly in the absence of Wharton with his clever passing.
There is no chemistry between the forwards at all.
Hence the resorting to long shots and lack of interplay between them.

The theory of the system may be ok, but not with the current players available in the squad.

Any manager is judged on results and Glasner will know that.

I agree on a lot of this. With Munoz in such terrible form and TM limited, this formation doesn't feel like working. We have zero width.

As well as not giving the oppo issues, it also allows them to defend narrowly, closing up all the space.

442 or 433 for me going forward

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

Why did we buy what we bought in the transfer window, as we know Glasner is not going to change his formation, all we needed was a left footed attacking player to replace Olise and a better LWB, yet we bought another CF, a right footed winger, a Kamada?, and 3 CDs, if Glasner sanctioned these transfers he must be more inept than i thought, and that is saying something.

 

[PatrickA]

Why did we buy what we bought in the transfer window, as we know Glasner is not going to change his formation, all we needed was a left footed attacking player to replace Olise and a better LWB, yet we bought another CF, a right footed winger, a Kamada?, and 3 CDs, if Glasner sanctioned these transfers he must be more inept than i thought, and that is saying something.

As I mentioned in a previous post there appears to be a disconnect between the buying policy and Glasner's preferred tactical system.
This disconnect has played out in front of our eyes in the games this season.

This may well have an impact on the January window too in terms of deals we may be considering.
If there's a doubt about Glasner's future I doubt we will be going for another of his suggestions such as Kamada.
A new manager may have a different tactical approach requiring a different profile of player.

The club has a few decisions to make in the coming weeks.