Is Glasner the problem?

[Nicholas91]

I find it interesting that the three man shortlist has supposedly been drawn.

I suspect that is the ultimate litmus test for Glasner. Being an idealist only works when it’s working and it’s not. The PL and a club like ours will demand pragmatism and results. I guess we’ll see if he’s capable of that, if the players will deliver for him and if he really wants the job, which is something that has featured in my thoughts.

If not, I have a sneaking suspicion Moyes to stave off relegation until such a point FdB/PV/OG Mk-IV comes in. Groundhog Day unfortunately after it all looked so promising!

 

[DANGERCLOSE]

When Glasner arrived he talked about wanting to make football fun, about creating lots of chances and scoring lots of goals. We pressed teams and at times we made our own luck. We've stopped pressing, we've stopped the quick interplay, we've stopped creating chances. It is almost as if the club has been cursed. Glasner now needs to find a way of bringing the fun back as we seem as far away from his philosophy of fun as Hughes is to a suntan. As bad as things look I still think once we get that first win the players will relax a bit and we'll push on. Hopefully that first win comes this season.

Of the rumoured replacements:
Moyes - 😒
Potter - 😕
Southgate - 😢

Out of the rumoured replacements:

Moyes= Defensive counter attacking football (what we used to play)
Potter= would use youth with attacking in mind
Southgate= too defensive and boring tactics most of the time

Its a tough one?

 

[rikz]

Out of the rumoured replacements:

Moyes= Defensive counter attacking football (what we used to play)
Potter= would use youth with attacking in mind
Southgate= too defensive and boring tactics most of the time

Its a tough one?

If we get Southgate we really will be a laughing stock, probably part of the clubs master plan, the new stand is being built next summer, relegation is a great excuse to get out of that.

 

[Eagleman13]

If we get Southgate we really will be a laughing stock, probably part of the clubs master plan, the new stand is being built next summer, relegation is a great excuse to get out of that.

I thought GS has ruled himself out of managing anywhere until at least next season.

 

[OAPeagle]

Yes, Glasner is the problem. But also the solution. He has pedigree as a winner (not a backs to the wall avoid relegation at all costs mercenary). The PL is an unforgiving short sighted graveyard for underperforming managers, but I don't want us to become a Watford type situation with multiple managers but still sinking. Judging by comments from various key players he seems to have a good rapport. He just needs more time, so the test now is can he and the coaching team restore players' confidence (helped by some strategic changes as many have suggested already) because we've arguably got the best quality squad (and potentially most exciting - especially looking at the emerging academy stars) and I'd hate to see it sacrificed (if he is sacked) with an infusion of journeymen and thugs. We've yet to see a full 90+ minutes of passion but also we've creating plenty of chances and no one has thrashed us. Shades of when Alex Ferguson joined ManU in terms of being untested at that level, and a less than exciting start didn't help (3 losses and 3 draws in first 9 matches). I really hope SP keep the faith. If not? Potter seems the most likely to make best use of the current resources.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

Out of the rumoured replacements:

Moyes= Defensive counter attacking football (what we used to play)
Potter= would use youth with attacking in mind
Southgate= too defensive and boring tactics most of the time

Its a tough one?

We picks although we wouldn't get them are, Dyche, Dyche and Dyche, if we had the same players with him as manager we would be top 8, now

 

[taylors lovechild]

Out of the rumoured replacements:

Moyes= Defensive counter attacking football (what we used to play)
Potter= would use youth with attacking in mind
Southgate= too defensive and boring tactics most of the time

Its a tough one?

If OG left Potter is the only one from the list that I'd be happy with. My concern with Potter is it took time for his Brighton team to really thrive and I'm not sure he's the best option to come in midway through a season. If it's just about firefighting then Moyes is probably the best option, but then we'd be stuck with Moyes and I really don't want that. Southgate is not a real option.

 

[DenTyler]

Let’s face it, if Roy was 10 years younger he would still be the manager.

If OG does go, then the board will go for Moyes all day long. He is like a reincarnation of Roy but the 10 years or so younger. Will pitch us mid table with a cup run of some sort. We will beat the best, lose to the worse and everything inbetween…. Ahh the joys of being a Palace fan.

 

[beak]

I thought GS has ruled himself out of managing anywhere until at least next season.

Words are very cheap,he will find an excuse to back track,boyhood club, unmissable opportunity etc blah etc blah.

 

[JHB]

Yes, Glasner is the problem. But also the solution. He has pedigree as a winner (not a backs to the wall avoid relegation at all costs mercenary). The PL is an unforgiving short sighted graveyard for underperforming managers, but I don't want us to become a Watford type situation with multiple managers but still sinking. Judging by comments from various key players he seems to have a good rapport. He just needs more time, so the test now is can he and the coaching team restore players' confidence (helped by some strategic changes as many have suggested already) because we've arguably got the best quality squad (and potentially most exciting - especially looking at the emerging academy stars) and I'd hate to see it sacrificed (if he is sacked) with an infusion of journeymen and thugs. We've yet to see a full 90+ minutes of passion but also we've creating plenty of chances and no one has thrashed us. Shades of when Alex Ferguson joined ManU in terms of being untested at that level, and a less than exciting start didn't help (3 losses and 3 draws in first 9 matches). I really hope SP keep the faith. If not? Potter seems the most likely to make best use of the current resources.

But we aren’t creating plenty of chances. We were at the end of last season but this season we’ve struggled badly to create. 5 goals in 8 games and the worst scoring record in the division tells the story.

 

[est1905]

I just do not understand the mentality of the fans that say continue with Glasner, he will play the same tactics game after game, loss after loss, ignoring completely his highly paid job of getting the best out of the players he has, it is not hard to spot who is the problem.

Lets say you are right and it really isn't hard to see who the problem is then lets assume for a moment that Parish, Freedman and all other persons involved at the club know way more about this level of football that you or I, why is it then that they have not made a change already?
I mean, if as you say its so glaringly obvious that its all down to Glasner. Why would they waste time and points letting him continue?

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

Lets say you are right and it really isn't hard to see who the problem is then lets assume for a moment that Parish, Freedman and all other persons involved at the club know way more about this level of football that you or I, why is it then that they have not made a change already?
I mean, if as you say its so glaringly obvious that its all down to Glasner. Why would they waste time and points letting him continue?

That is the question, Three European failures doesn't look good for him, nor does pontificating, perhaps he is waiting for the Players knock on the door, Ala Vieira, he would have gone before the two week international break if he had shown some Cojones. instead of the slow death, also Ala Vieira

 

[MrRobbo]

But we aren’t creating plenty of chances. We were at the end of last season but this season we’ve struggled badly to create. 5 goals in 8 games and the worst scoring record in the division tells the story.

We're not creating loads of chances, but we are creating some. Issue is more that we aint scoring many of them.

Statistically we are 13th on XG, and should be scoring 1.35 goals a match. But we're not, and sit at 0.64 GF. Worst in the league from a conversion perspective.

https://footystats.org/england/premier-league/xg

I suspect the underlying stats are why Glasner hasn't yet gone. Games are decided on fine margins. If Hendo had saved that shot, and Nketiah's shot had been a couple of inches to the left we'd have wont that.

 

[ASCPFC]

If we get Southgate we really will be a laughing stock, probably part of the clubs master plan, the new stand is being built next summer, relegation is a great excuse to get out of that.

The Gareth Southgate Main Stand.

 

[est1905]

so you think the players not busting a gut isn't down to professor Glasner, i bet you thought Vieira was a decent manager too

This is the second time you have ask me this question and I am equally as baffled as last time as neither bare an resemblence to each other. The answer is the same as last time. Not particularly no. And I've no idea why you ask. For all the relevance it has to this thread you might as well ask me if I like ice cream.

You seem to want Glasner gone which is your opinion and you are entitled to it. You seem to become wound up by anyone who disagrees though. We're all equally entitled to an opinion whether its different from yours or not. Has Glasner made mistakes this season? Probably a couple yes. Right now one of those mistakes seems to be over protection of the players. Some arses need kicking not love and hugs. Does this make him solely responsible for the club's league position? Absolutely not. Coppell made far more mistakes and basically learned on the job. In todays football job market he'd have been sacked within the first year and we would not have the colourful history of the 80s and 90s that we do.
Its my personal belief that we as a nation in football sack managers way too quickly when things go wrong and even if you enjoy a new manager 'bounce' it rarely works long term and you are nearly always back to square one within a year. Sometimes sooner.
I believe the reasons we are where we are are as follows..
Olise, Andersen gone and currently missed
We did not get what we could/should have against Brentford, Everton or Liverpool (IMO we could easily be 3 to 5 points better off)
New players are either taking time to bed in or have got injured. Many were signed too late in the window to hope to be ready-thats on Parish/Freedman.
Our key players (Eze, Wharton, Guehi, Henderson, Mateta, Lerma, Munoz) all returned from summer tournaments, have not had enough rest, are either carrying niggly injuries or are clearly off form. This is more than half our team.
Its now becoming clear that it was a mistake to let Ayew go when he is the type of character that can really help in our current situation. I'd also say its looking more likely as games go by that Kamada is not working out. Maybe he needs to be taken out of the spotlight for a while. Who knows? The coaching staff know far more of what they are doing than I do.

At the end of the day I think Glasner needs some time, some winnable games and for us to start seeing better form from our players before pulling the trigger. During November we have Wolves, Fulham and Newcastle. Games we can get something out of. I'm not saying risk our Prem status on him but we are miles away from that after just 8 games. If he keeps failing then yes, its time to accept it isn't working. Then you'd have an even bigger problem. Who is out there that would want the job that we'd all have supreme confidence he'd turn it around? I certainly cant think of anyone.
I personally think Glasner has the credentials and the experience to come through this difficult period. And would'nt it be great for Palace's reputation and standing if we broke with recent trends, stood by our guy and ended up going from strength to strength instead of just lurching from one disaster to the next?

 

[est1905]

That is the question, Three European failures doesn't look good for him, nor does pontificating, perhaps he is waiting for the Players knock on the door, Ala Vieira, he would have gone before the two week international break if he had shown some Cojones. instead of the slow death, also Ala Vieira

I think in the grown up world we both know Parish isn't waiting for the players to knock on his door. I run my own business and while I accept thats not exactly the same as running a Premiership Football club if a change needs to be made and to me it seems obvious I wont wait for other employees to 'knock on my door', I'll just make the change. Done. Weak people dont get to run big organisations. (Unless your name is Kier Starmer!)

 

[Rudi Hedman]

This is the second time you have ask me this question and I am equally as baffled as last time as neither bare an resemblence to each other. The answer is the same as last time. Not particularly no. And I've no idea why you ask. For all the relevance it has to this thread you might as well ask me if I like ice cream.

You seem to want Glasner gone which is your opinion and you are entitled to it. You seem to become wound up by anyone who disagrees though. We're all equally entitled to an opinion whether its different from yours or not. Has Glasner made mistakes this season? Probably a couple yes. Right now one of those mistakes seems to be over protection of the players. Some arses need kicking not love and hugs. Does this make him solely responsible for the club's league position? Absolutely not. Coppell made far more mistakes and basically learned on the job. In todays football job market he'd have been sacked within the first year and we would not have the colourful history of the 80s and 90s that we do.
Its my personal belief that we as a nation in football sack managers way too quickly when things go wrong and even if you enjoy a new manager 'bounce' it rarely works long term and you are nearly always back to square one within a year. Sometimes sooner.
I believe the reasons we are where we are are as follows..
Olise, Andersen gone and currently missed
We did not get what we could/should have against Brentford, Everton or Liverpool (IMO we could easily be 3 to 5 points better off)
New players are either taking time to bed in or have got injured. Many were signed too late in the window to hope to be ready-thats on Parish/Freedman.
Our key players (Eze, Wharton, Guehi, Henderson, Mateta, Lerma, Munoz) all returned from summer tournaments, have not had enough rest, are either carrying niggly injuries or are clearly off form. This is more than half our team.
Its now becoming clear that it was a mistake to let Ayew go when he is the type of character that can really help in our current situation. I'd also say its looking more likely as games go by that Kamada is not working out. Maybe he needs to be taken out of the spotlight for a while. Who knows? The coaching staff know far more of what they are doing than I do.

At the end of the day I think Glasner needs some time, some winnable games and for us to start seeing better form from our players before pulling the trigger. During November we have Wolves, Fulham and Newcastle. Games we can get something out of. I'm not saying risk our Prem status on him but we are miles away from that after just 8 games. If he keeps failing then yes, its time to accept it isn't working. Then you'd have an even bigger problem. Who is out there that would want the job that we'd all have supreme confidence he'd turn it around? I certainly cant think of anyone.
I personally think Glasner has the credentials and the experience to come through this difficult period. And would'nt it be great for Palace's reputation and standing if we broke with recent trends, stood by our guy and ended up going from strength to strength instead of just lurching from one disaster to the next?

I agree he deserves a few more games but it can’t be at risk of our premier league future. I hope I’m wrong but my hunch is he won’t turn it around so we’ll see.

 

[PatrickA]

The key difference from last season is that we are without arguably the 3 key players from last season’s good run.
Anderson made the defence tick, Wharton the midfield tick and Olise the front 3 tick.
They were critical to us retaining possession from defence through to attack.
Our passing this season has been sloppy and we have not been able to press as high as we’re continually conceding possession and putting ourselves under pressure.
Mateta looks a shadow of the player without the threaded through balls from Olise and Wharton.
There is little in the way of cleverness in our approach play.

If one accepts that the 3 players were critical to that way of playing, in their absence it’s the manager’s job to find a way of playing that gets results even if it means changing the system or leaving out favourite players.

This is where I feel the jury is out on Glasner.

Pulis was mentioned earlier and he was a master at using available resources to maximise the effectiveness of the team.
I don’t think Glasner is achieving this with the current squad.

I’m not suggesting we should be pushing for the top 8, but we certainly shouldn’t be in the bottom 3.
Furthermore , the fixture list has been relatively kind to us this season and we have failed to capitalise on that.

Glasner’s European success looks good on a cv, but is totally irrelevant to the here and now.
Can he manage a struggling team is the pressing question?

 

[Eagle-Trucker]

This is the second time you have ask me this question and I am equally as baffled as last time as neither bare an resemblence to each other. The answer is the same as last time. Not particularly no. And I've no idea why you ask. For all the relevance it has to this thread you might as well ask me if I like ice cream.

You seem to want Glasner gone which is your opinion and you are entitled to it. You seem to become wound up by anyone who disagrees though. We're all equally entitled to an opinion whether its different from yours or not. Has Glasner made mistakes this season? Probably a couple yes. Right now one of those mistakes seems to be over protection of the players. Some arses need kicking not love and hugs. Does this make him solely responsible for the club's league position? Absolutely not. Coppell made far more mistakes and basically learned on the job. In todays football job market he'd have been sacked within the first year and we would not have the colourful history of the 80s and 90s that we do.
Its my personal belief that we as a nation in football sack managers way too quickly when things go wrong and even if you enjoy a new manager 'bounce' it rarely works long term and you are nearly always back to square one within a year. Sometimes sooner.
I believe the reasons we are where we are are as follows..
Olise, Andersen gone and currently missed
We did not get what we could/should have against Brentford, Everton or Liverpool (IMO we could easily be 3 to 5 points better off)
New players are either taking time to bed in or have got injured. Many were signed too late in the window to hope to be ready-thats on Parish/Freedman.
Our key players (Eze, Wharton, Guehi, Henderson, Mateta, Lerma, Munoz) all returned from summer tournaments, have not had enough rest, are either carrying niggly injuries or are clearly off form. This is more than half our team.
Its now becoming clear that it was a mistake to let Ayew go when he is the type of character that can really help in our current situation. I'd also say its looking more likely as games go by that Kamada is not working out. Maybe he needs to be taken out of the spotlight for a while. Who knows? The coaching staff know far more of what they are doing than I do.

At the end of the day I think Glasner needs some time, some winnable games and for us to start seeing better form from our players before pulling the trigger. During November we have Wolves, Fulham and Newcastle. Games we can get something out of. I'm not saying risk our Prem status on him but we are miles away from that after just 8 games. If he keeps failing then yes, its time to accept it isn't working. Then you'd have an even bigger problem. Who is out there that would want the job that we'd all have supreme confidence he'd turn it around? I certainly cant think of anyone.
I personally think Glasner has the credentials and the experience to come through this difficult period. And would'nt it be great for Palace's reputation and standing if we broke with recent trends, stood by our guy and ended up going from strength to strength instead of just lurching from one disaster to the next?

With respect . Mr Glasner has had plenty of winnable games alerady this season and lost . I.E Bentford, Leicester City , Man United , Everton and Forest . In Steve parish own words " The Managers job is a results based job and unfortunately if the results are not favourable then decisions will have to be made "

 

[est1905]

With respect . Mr Glasner has had plenty of winnable games alerady this season and lost . I.E Bentford, Leicester City , Man United , Everton and Forest . In Steve parish own words " The Managers job is a results based job and unfortunately if the results are not favourable then decisions will have to be made "

I also respect your opinion and see where you are coming from except for the fact that our key players were awful in all those games you mentioned and we were still getting to grips with the loss of Olise and Lacroix was nowhere near the level he is now.
Lets see how he does in November. Thats all I'm saying. If things dont improve I'll probably want him gone the same as you. I'd just like to see him given a fair chance. Sacking him now would imo not be doing that.