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Is Glasner the problem?

est1905 said:
This is the second time you have ask me this question and I am equally as baffled as last time as neither bare an resemblence to each other. The answer is the same as last time. Not particularly no. And I've no idea why you ask. For all the relevance it has to this thread you might as well ask me if I like ice cream.

You seem to want Glasner gone which is your opinion and you are entitled to it. You seem to become wound up by anyone who disagrees though. We're all equally entitled to an opinion whether its different from yours or not. Has Glasner made mistakes this season? Probably a couple yes. Right now one of those mistakes seems to be over protection of the players. Some arses need kicking not love and hugs. Does this make him solely responsible for the club's league position? Absolutely not. Coppell made far more mistakes and basically learned on the job. In todays football job market he'd have been sacked within the first year and we would not have the colourful history of the 80s and 90s that we do.
Its my personal belief that we as a nation in football sack managers way too quickly when things go wrong and even if you enjoy a new manager 'bounce' it rarely works long term and you are nearly always back to square one within a year. Sometimes sooner.
I believe the reasons we are where we are are as follows..
Olise, Andersen gone and currently missed
We did not get what we could/should have against Brentford, Everton or Liverpool (IMO we could easily be 3 to 5 points better off)
New players are either taking time to bed in or have got injured. Many were signed too late in the window to hope to be ready-thats on Parish/Freedman.
Our key players (Eze, Wharton, Guehi, Henderson, Mateta, Lerma, Munoz) all returned from summer tournaments, have not had enough rest, are either carrying niggly injuries or are clearly off form. This is more than half our team.
Its now becoming clear that it was a mistake to let Ayew go when he is the type of character that can really help in our current situation. I'd also say its looking more likely as games go by that Kamada is not working out. Maybe he needs to be taken out of the spotlight for a while. Who knows? The coaching staff know far more of what they are doing than I do.

At the end of the day I think Glasner needs some time, some winnable games and for us to start seeing better form from our players before pulling the trigger. During November we have Wolves, Fulham and Newcastle. Games we can get something out of. I'm not saying risk our Prem status on him but we are miles away from that after just 8 games. If he keeps failing then yes, its time to accept it isn't working. Then you'd have an even bigger problem. Who is out there that would want the job that we'd all have supreme confidence he'd turn it around? I certainly cant think of anyone.
I personally think Glasner has the credentials and the experience to come through this difficult period. And would'nt it be great for Palace's reputation and standing if we broke with recent trends, stood by our guy and ended up going from strength to strength instead of just lurching from one disaster to the next?
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Go on then, what’s your favourite flavour 😂
 
Lanzo-Ad said:
If Glasner contiues with 3 at the back, so Mitchell or Schlupp at WB, or Muñoz or Sarr?
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It won't be Schlupp at LWB.
When he used him as sub on Monday, Glasner bizarrely played him at RWB and switched Munoz to LWB, thereby achieving 2 square pegs in 2 round holes.
Glasner rarely uses Sarr down the right, so I think him being used at RWB is also unlikely.

For the Spurs game I'd be concerned about Son's attacks down the left.
Our best defensive right back remains Clyne and I'd be tempted to use him against Son.
I don't like the thought of Son against Munoz.
I'd also want Mitchell at left back to defend one on one against Johnson.
 
PatrickA said:
It won't be Schlupp at LWB.
When he used him as sub on Monday, Glasner bizarrely played him at RWB and switched Munoz to LWB, thereby achieving 2 square pegs in 2 round holes.
Glasner rarely uses Sarr down the right, so I think him being used at RWB is also unlikely.

For the Spurs game I'd be concerned about Son's attacks down the left.
Our best defensive right back remains Clyne and I'd be tempted to use him against Son.
I don't like the thought of Son against Munoz.
I'd also want Mitchell at left back to defend one on one against Johnson.
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I dont think Glasner shares your views which in itself is somewhat concerning.
Sarr on the right wing or even the left wing would be very good to see.
 
If we did play a back four of Munoz, Lacroix, Guehi and Mitchell we'd have one of the quickest defences in the PL. That could allow us to play a higher line and press teams better. The point of the back three is to get the wingbacks supporting the attack but neither of our wingbacks are producing anything so it's pointless.
 
taylors lovechild said:
If we did play a back four of Munoz, Lacroix, Guehi and Mitchell we'd have one of the quickest defences in the PL. That could allow us to play a higher line and press teams better. The point of the back three is to get the wingbacks supporting the attack but neither of our wingbacks are producing anything so it's pointless.
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Wingbacks are not working so we need at least one winger. OG needs to recognise this and revert to a back four for now.
 
PatrickA said:
It won't be Schlupp at LWB.
When he used him as sub on Monday, Glasner bizarrely played him at RWB and switched Munoz to LWB, thereby achieving 2 square pegs in 2 round holes.
Glasner rarely uses Sarr down the right, so I think him being used at RWB is also unlikely.

For the Spurs game I'd be concerned about Son's attacks down the left.
Our best defensive right back remains Clyne and I'd be tempted to use him against Son.
I don't like the thought of Son against Munoz.
I'd also want Mitchell at left back to defend one on one against Johnson.
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Too sensible. Will never happen.
 
Badger11 said:
Wingbacks are not working so we need at least one winger. OG needs to recognise this and revert to a back four for now.
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It appears to me that most top teams are playing with a back four. Does anyone have stats on this.?
I know top clubs will move from back four to back three during the match depending on the moment, but it seems most are starting with back four.
 
taylors lovechild said:
If we did play a back four of Munoz, Lacroix, Guehi and Mitchell we'd have one of the quickest defences in the PL. That could allow us to play a higher line and press teams better. The point of the back three is to get the wingbacks supporting the attack but neither of our wingbacks are producing anything so it's pointless.
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I have had similar thoughts in many games this season. Another aspect of playing three at the back is possession: if you do not have enough possession you essentially end up with wing backs pushed back and usually numerical inferiority in the middle third.

One way to make a back three work would be to use Lerma in one of the three slots with the idea he could move into midfield (1) in possession or (2) when we press in the opposition's third out of possession. Maybe Chalobah could do a similar job. Having three CBs playing as three CBs and insufficient possession clearly is not working, even against lower half opposition: we are not shutting out opponents at our end, and we are not compensating with goals at the other end.

No matter how we set up the front three need to be a lot more effective.
 
Eagle-Trucker said:
With respect . Mr Glasner has had plenty of winnable games alerady this season and lost . I.E Bentford, Leicester City , Man United , Everton and Forest . In Steve parish own words " The Managers job is a results based job and unfortunately if the results are not favourable then decisions will have to be made "
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Every game is winnable in the league but I do feel some fans have unreasonable expectations, the only game I'd expect us to win is Leicester at home, Brentford, Everton and forest were all away, I've always said a point away against anyone in this league is a great point, utd at home is a toss up, they're poor but have a lot more quality, going into that game, I couldn't call it but would take a point. When you hear fans saying we should be beating forest away. Why exactly ?
 
sprites said:
Lol. Sorry but I do love the way some of us feel like we are seeing things that OG isn't, or that we somehow know more about football than a premier league manager.
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It’s the other way around - some Premier League Managers think they know more about football than anyone else and are totally inflexible with how they set their teams up
 
What p*ssed me off at forest was that we played 3 center backs and Woods had loads of chances.
He was the only central striker and no one was marking him , free in the box a few times.
Should have pushed chalobah into midfield , told max to man mark him and guehi to clear up any bits.
 
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