Is Glasner the problem?

[dreamwaverider]

Glasner has only got:

Spurs H
Villa A cup game
Wolverhampton A
Fulham H

Can he do it?????????

Very much doubt it. Plus by then we really will be in deep shite.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

This is the second time you have ask me this question and I am equally as baffled as last time as neither bare an resemblence to each other. The answer is the same as last time. Not particularly no. And I've no idea why you ask. For all the relevance it has to this thread you might as well ask me if I like ice cream.

You seem to want Glasner gone which is your opinion and you are entitled to it. You seem to become wound up by anyone who disagrees though. We're all equally entitled to an opinion whether its different from yours or not. Has Glasner made mistakes this season? Probably a couple yes. Right now one of those mistakes seems to be over protection of the players. Some arses need kicking not love and hugs. Does this make him solely responsible for the club's league position? Absolutely not. Coppell made far more mistakes and basically learned on the job. In todays football job market he'd have been sacked within the first year and we would not have the colourful history of the 80s and 90s that we do.
Its my personal belief that we as a nation in football sack managers way too quickly when things go wrong and even if you enjoy a new manager 'bounce' it rarely works long term and you are nearly always back to square one within a year. Sometimes sooner.
I believe the reasons we are where we are are as follows..
Olise, Andersen gone and currently missed
We did not get what we could/should have against Brentford, Everton or Liverpool (IMO we could easily be 3 to 5 points better off)
New players are either taking time to bed in or have got injured. Many were signed too late in the window to hope to be ready-thats on Parish/Freedman.
Our key players (Eze, Wharton, Guehi, Henderson, Mateta, Lerma, Munoz) all returned from summer tournaments, have not had enough rest, are either carrying niggly injuries or are clearly off form. This is more than half our team.
Its now becoming clear that it was a mistake to let Ayew go when he is the type of character that can really help in our current situation. I'd also say its looking more likely as games go by that Kamada is not working out. Maybe he needs to be taken out of the spotlight for a while. Who knows? The coaching staff know far more of what they are doing than I do.

At the end of the day I think Glasner needs some time, some winnable games and for us to start seeing better form from our players before pulling the trigger. During November we have Wolves, Fulham and Newcastle. Games we can get something out of. I'm not saying risk our Prem status on him but we are miles away from that after just 8 games. If he keeps failing then yes, its time to accept it isn't working. Then you'd have an even bigger problem. Who is out there that would want the job that we'd all have supreme confidence he'd turn it around? I certainly cant think of anyone.
I personally think Glasner has the credentials and the experience to come through this difficult period. And would'nt it be great for Palace's reputation and standing if we broke with recent trends, stood by our guy and ended up going from strength to strength instead of just lurching from one disaster to the next?

I do want him gone because, like Vieira both had or have a preconceived way of playing, the buys more than the sales have been the problem, they have muddied the water, Sarr, Kamada and Nketiah are not compatible with Glasners style, so either he has to change to fit the players, or he is released of his duties to someone who will get the best out of what we have, but i don't see Glasner changing his ideology.

 

[dreamwaverider]

If we get Southgate we really will be a laughing stock, probably part of the clubs master plan, the new stand is being built next summer, relegation is a great excuse to get out of that.

If we start that and we go down, we really will have lost the plot.

 

[Rudi Hedman]

Very much doubt it. Plus by then we really will be in deep shite.

We’ve judged our chances on the opposition over several matches and got it wrong before so hopefully we will this time. Time will tell.

 

[est1905]

I do want him gone because, like Vieira both had or have a preconceived way of playing, the buys more than the sales have been the problem, they have muddied the water, Sarr, Kamada and Nketiah are not compatible with Glasners style, so either he has to change to fit the players, or he is released of his duties to someone who will get the best out of what we have, but i don't see Glasner changing his ideology.

I dont see why he should. Players should work to fit into the manager's system not the other way around. They are professionals. If you are trying to tell me these players only know one way to play then sorry, thats delusional

 

[Eagle-Trucker]

I also respect your opinion and see where you are coming from except for the fact that our key players were awful in all those games you mentioned and we were still getting to grips with the loss of Olise and Lacroix was nowhere near the level he is now.
Lets see how he does in November. Thats all I'm saying. If things dont improve I'll probably want him gone the same as you. I'd just like to see him given a fair chance. Sacking him now would imo not be doing that.

Agreed , i would love nothing more than to see both Glasner and the team flourish , i can also remember saying the same about PV. If what we put out against Forest is the best we have to offer November we will still be on 3 points .

 

[JHB]

I dont see why he should. Players should work to fit into the manager's system not the other way around. They are professionals. If you are trying to tell me these players only know one way to play then sorry, thats delusional

I think the players have tried to fit in the system. It’s not a lack of effort. However, ultimately the manager’s job is to create conditions to make the team as successful as possible. If that means changing the formation to get the best out of the players in the squad then that is what he should do. That’s why he is paid several million quid.

 

[Palacesince64]

We're not creating loads of chances, but we are creating some. Issue is more that we aint scoring many of them.

Statistically we are 13th on XG, and should be scoring 1.35 goals a match. But we're not, and sit at 0.64 GF. Worst in the league from a conversion perspective.

https://footystats.org/england/premier-league/xg

I suspect the underlying stats are why Glasner hasn't yet gone. Games are decided on fine margins. If Hendo had saved that shot, and Nketiah's shot had been a couple of inches to the left we'd have wont that.

I agree this is where our problem lies. I don’t think the 3 at the back formation is the disaster people on here think. We are creating chances but not taking them. The problem is our front three aren’t working together. When they get the ball anywhere near goal it’s head down and shoot. Nketiah has been too selfish as he is desperate to prove he should have been a PL starter years ago, while Eze seems to think he has to do a Wilf and carry the team on his own. Kamada doesn’t seem to know what the other 2 are up to and keeps finding Eze wandering into his space rather than passing. Not sure what to say about Mateta to be honest!
If we can sort out our strikers and get Doucoure and Wharton back we will be fine.

 

[JHB]

I agree this is where our problem lies. I don’t think the 3 at the back formation is the disaster people on here think. We are creating chances but not taking them. The problem is our front three aren’t working together. When they get the ball anywhere near goal it’s head down and shoot. Nketiah has been too selfish as he is desperate to prove he should have been a PL starter years ago, while Eze seems to think he has to do a Wilf and carry the team on his own. Kamada doesn’t seem to know what the other 2 are up to and keeps finding Eze wandering into his space rather than passing. Not sure what to say about Mateta to be honest!
If we can sort out our strikers and get Doucoure and Wharton back we will be fine.

I think the issue with Eze is twofold. One a lot of the time he is getting the ball quite deep with two men on him. End of last season he was receiving the ball in more attacking positions and teams had to think about Olise. Two the movement around him is not great. Kamada doesn’t hold position as an attacking player or run in behind. Nketiah has been keen but his movement and ball retention are poor. Mateta was not on it for the first few games but has been better in recent sub appearances. I don’t think Eze has been that bad but the system and players around him really aren’t allowing him to impact games.

 

[ex hibitionist]

Remember Leicster City under Nigel Pearson ten years ago? Down and out then it clicked - it's still too early to assume things won't improve. Teams have bad runs and when you're in one it seems like it's forever until the improvement comes. We can't afford to have both Doucoure and Wharton out of action, defensively we're OK but we are either disjointed or lightweight in attack. And we have had bad luck: Eze's free kick at Brentford and two stonewall pens not given v Everton and Liverpool, those decisions have probably cost us 5 or 6 points. I agree if we don't pick up 4 points from our next three Parrish may decide he can't risk futher under achievement, but I don't like how quick people are to sign up to the modern sack happy approach. If Wharton gets surgery and returns to his best form and Doucoure can stay fit we will get the improvement we crave, and an effective attacking combination from Eze, JP, Nketiah, Kamada and Sarr is definitely in there somewhere, and I share the concern that OG hasn't found it yet. There was plenty of fight from our team in the second half at Forest. I'd like to see OG get to stay till the end of January - I understand and respect the concern and the consternation withboth how rudderless we've looked and how weak our wing backs have been offensively, but new teams don't gel overnight and in this case it's taking longer than we expected, but we have enough quality on and off the pitch to expect a turn around in form, and reasonably soon. Keep the faith and back the manager.

 

[dreamwaverider]

Agreed , i would love nothing more than to see both Glasner and the team flourish , i can also remember saying the same about PV. If what we put out against Forest is the best we have to offer November we will still be on 3 points .

Agree with you and est.1905.
Problem is Im a long standing Palace fan. One minute Im thinking top 6, then a few months later, relegation starts looming in my mind. Dearly hope Glasner sorts things out by the end of November. If we are still on 3 points by then, we will almost certainly call time on him.

 

[Willo]

Agree with you and est.1905.
Problem is Im a long standing Palace fan. One minute Im thinking top 6, then a few months later, relegation starts looming in my mind. Dearly hope Glasner sorts things out by the end of November. If we are still on 3 points by then, we will almost certainly call time on him.

We of course were victorious in 6 of our last 7 games last season and expectations amongst our supporters were elevated. Not once did I believe that 'Top 8' or 'Europe' was a possibility given our likely departures and the fact that some of the teams in that run were either under strength, had already qualified for Europe or were "On the beach" with expensive beachwear.

Some supporters outside of HOL were more positive about our prospects and of course I faced accusations of being a 'Doomsayer' and a 'Defeatist' often expressed with some asperity.

 

[Palacesince64]

We of course were victorious in 6 of our last 7 games last season and expectations amongst our supporters were elevated. Not once did I believe that 'Top 8' or 'Europe' was a possibility given our likely departures and the fact that some of the teams in that run were either under strength, had already qualified for Europe or were "On the beach" with expensive beachwear.

Some supporters outside of HOL were more positive about our prospects and of course I faced accusations of being a 'Doomsayer' and a 'Defeatist' often expressed with some asperity.

While I do admire your command of the English language Willo, albeit verging on magniloquence on occasion, you do tend to be a perennial pessimist.

 

[Eagle-Trucker]

Agree with you and est.1905.
Problem is Im a long standing Palace fan. One minute Im thinking top 6, then a few months later, relegation starts looming in my mind. Dearly hope Glasner sorts things out by the end of November. If we are still on 3 points by then, we will almost certainly call time on him.

Agreed , I think it also says alot about the strength in depth of the squad that when we have a few injuries I.E Wharton Doucoure and Richards and the team and Glasners system falls to toilet .

 

[Eagle-Trucker]

We of course were victorious in 6 of our last 7 games last season and expectations amongst our supporters were elevated. Not once did I believe that 'Top 8' or 'Europe' was a possibility given our likely departures and the fact that some of the teams in that run were either under strength, had already qualified for Europe or were "On the beach" with expensive beachwear.

Some supporters outside of HOL were more positive about our prospects and of course I faced accusations of being a 'Doomsayer' and a 'Defeatist' often expressed with some asperity.

Who are these members Willo , the audacity of them , They should be held accountable and banned for life the bounders .

 

[PatrickA]

Agreed , I think it also says alot about the strength in depth of the squad that when we have a few injuries I.E Wharton Doucoure and Richards and the team and Glasners system falls to toilet .

Let's examine that, and I'm not looking to pick an argument!
Doucoure was injured last season and never played under Glasner.
We don't know yet how Doucoure would fit into a Glasner team, even if he's a good player.
Wharton is likely to need an operation and we can make no assumptions about his return to either form or fitness.
Richards is unlikely to form part of a first choice defence .
He has Guehi, Lacroix and Chaloboah ahead of him and Glasner suggested the other day that he wanted to give them time to form a defensive unit.

Injuries are part of the game which every club has to contend with.
Glasner has to produce a team to get results.
These continual excuses won't get us 3 points.

 

[Eagle-Trucker]

Let's examine that, and I'm not looking to pick an argument!
Doucoure was injured last season and never played under Glasner.
We don't know yet how Doucoure would fit into a Glasner team, even if he's a good player.
Wharton is likely to need an operation and we can make no assumptions about his return to either form or fitness.
Richards is unlikely to form part of a first choice defence .
He has Guehi, Lacroix and Chaloboah ahead of him and Glasner suggested the other day that he wanted to give them time to form a defensive unit.

Injuries are part of the game which every club has to contend with.
Glasner has to produce a team to get results.
These continual excuses won't get us 3 points.

With all due respect . We looked a hell of a lot better midfield and team when Doucoure came on and partnered Wharton against Chelsea . Chaloboah seems very injury prone and is on loan so i see no point integrating him in to the team , end of the season he's back to Chelsea and probably score against us . The point i was trying to make was that with very few injuries our team has turned into potential relegation prospects and im not making excuses for anyone . God help us if we get 10 plus injuries .

 

[The Dolphin]

I really hope that he gets to stay but to do so he needs to use a different formation and drop Kamada.
if he doesn't then he will be gone because he is already in the square leg round hope dtage.
Adapt or die!

 

[Talvlad]

Remember Leicster City under Nigel Pearson ten years ago? Down and out then it clicked - it's still too early to assume things won't improve. Teams have bad runs and when you're in one it seems like it's forever until the improvement comes. We can't afford to have both Doucoure and Wharton out of action, defensively we're OK but we are either disjointed or lightweight in attack. And we have had bad luck: Eze's free kick at Brentford and two stonewall pens not given v Everton and Liverpool, those decisions have probably cost us 5 or 6 points. I agree if we don't pick up 4 points from our next three Parrish may decide he can't risk futher under achievement, but I don't like how quick people are to sign up to the modern sack happy approach. If Wharton gets surgery and returns to his best form and Doucoure can stay fit we will get the improvement we crave, and an effective attacking combination from Eze, JP, Nketiah, Kamada and Sarr is definitely in there somewhere, and I share the concern that OG hasn't found it yet. There was plenty of fight from our team in the second half at Forest. I'd like to see OG get to stay till the end of January - I understand and respect the concern and the consternation withboth how rudderless we've looked and how weak our wing backs have been offensively, but new teams don't gel overnight and in this case it's taking longer than we expected, but we have enough quality on and off the pitch to expect a turn around in form, and reasonably soon. Keep the faith and back the manager.

Hmm similar thoughts and agree with above thoughts...

At the end of last season I thought a midfield partnership of CD and AM would be a top level prem league combo... but injuries....
Also, feel Glasner is quite an emotional manager... caught the wave last year, pretty much saying he expected us to get wins, now he's kinda saying, Yes it's difficult it's not surprising we're losing...
Managing very easy from the sidelines, but we're struggling to score goals and we have 2 CFs (1 new). Just saying

 

[dreamwaverider]

While I do admire your command of the English language Willo, albeit verging on magniloquence on occasion, you do tend to be a perennial pessimist.

.....or maybe a realist is more fitting.