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Is Glasner the problem?

Seeing Kamada in the starting line-up make me feel we are playing with 10 men. Add to that misery, Schlupp coming on for the last 15-20 minutes. But even a stubborn OG can not pick the Japanese for the trip to Bournemouth. For me - play Hughes, Lerma and Eze (if fit) or Deveney. At the moment, Doucoure's shocking - his cameo against Arsenal was like watching a horror movie.
Also the correct answer . I dont know what Glasner sees in him , as soon as i heard Eze was out i said to my mate , i bet he is going to stick that F.....g j....... c.... in instead of putting Devenny in . Lanzo has done a full U turn and joined the keep glasner club now , im starting to lean the other way , can we really rely on someone who has beer goggles on when it comes to Kamada . Probably the worst player i have ever seen in a Palace shirt .
 
Also the correct answer . I dont know what Glasner sees in him , as soon as i heard Eze was out i said to my mate , i bet he is going to stick that F.....g j....... c.... in instead of putting Devenny in . Lanzo has done a full U turn and joined the keep glasner club now , im starting to lean the other way , can we really rely on someone who has beer goggles on when it comes to Kamada . Probably the worst player i have ever seen in a Palace shirt .
I have been, and continue to be, Pro Glasner.

But I can't make a case for his persisting with Kamada based upon what I've seen.
 
I have been, and continue to be, Pro Glasner.

But I can't make a case for his persisting with Kamada based upon what I've seen.
His selection highlights my view that due to a dearth of options we need to strengthen our midfield ranks and I have listed the reasons in a separate discussion.

There are those who have expressed the view that Devenny should have been selected instead of Kamada for the Arsenal game.Kamada has played for Glasner in the Bundesliga, he was clearly more effective than he has been at our club. Oliver has witnessed him over several games and could possibly have decided that he was a better option than the inexperienced Devenny in a game against a talented Arsenal team if indeed he was evaluating one against the other for the encounter.
 
His selection highlights my view that due to a dearth of options we need to strengthen our midfield ranks and I have listed the reasons in a separate discussion.

There are those who have expressed the view that Devenny should have been selected instead of Kamada for the Arsenal game.Kamada has played for Glasner in the Bundesliga, he was clearly more effective than he has been at our club. Oliver has witnessed him over several games and could possibly have decided that he was a better option than the inexperienced Devenny in a game against a talented Arsenal team if indeed he was evaluating one against the other for the encounter.
I wholeheartedly agree !
 
You can divert all you like with your own version of what you think might happen, transfer window etc.

That still doesn't explain the logic that you '' still might want him out '' but at the same time want to offer him a contract extension !

Please don't bother responding to this as you clearly aren't going to help me to understand how your thought processes work.
I'm not sure that this is going to help or simply fog the issue even more but this is what I think Lanzo is saying:

1. Glasner is a one trick pony in that his system is a fairly hard-wired 3-4-2-1 which requires certain types of players in order to work successfully - inter alia, wingbacks, number 10s, and a plethora of CBs.

2. If the club DON'T give him the right type of player in January then Lanzo foresees us in deep do-dos should Munoz and Mitchell be out for any length of time (or lose form) and we could well fall through the relegation trap-door. Lanzo would want Glasner out soonest to avert that risk if he's not properly backed in January.

3. However, if the club plan to give Glasner the type of players he needs for his system then Lanzo believes things will go well on the pitch BUT he wants the club to tie Glasner down beyond his current contract rather than find themselves in 18 months time with players bought for a specific system and having to find another manager who uses that system should Glasner not agree to a new contract.

4 In short, I think Lanzo is saying something like "either back Glasner in January with the right type of players or sack Glasner now".
 
On the right, we have Clyne, Ward and Kporha who can fill-in if Munoz is absent but I accept that Ward is totally unsuitable to the role and Clyne to a lesser extent.
On the left, we could of course deploy Schlupp but he is in the twilight of his career and I don't envisage him being effective in this role.
In a separate discussion I have asserted that wing-backs on both the right and left are required.
Clyne, Ward and Schlupp are not cover for anyone, they are poor, knackered old Donkeys
 
I'm not sure that this is going to help or simply fog the issue even more but this is what I think Lanzo is saying:

1. Glasner is a one trick pony in that his system is a fairly hard-wired 3-4-2-1 which requires certain types of players in order to work successfully - inter alia, wingbacks, number 10s, and a plethora of CBs.

2. If the club DON'T give him the right type of player in January then Lanzo foresees us in deep do-dos should Munoz and Mitchell be out for any length of time (or lose form) and we could well fall through the relegation trap-door. Lanzo would want Glasner out soonest to avert that risk if he's not properly backed in January.

3. However, if the club plan to give Glasner the type of players he needs for his system then Lanzo believes things will go well on the pitch BUT he wants the club to tie Glasner down beyond his current contract rather than find themselves in 18 months time with players bought for a specific system and having to find another manager who uses that system should Glasner not agree to a new contract.

4 In short, I think Lanzo is saying something like "either back Glasner in January with the right type of players or sack Glasner now".
Hooray, 100% Correct
 
Devenny may well have made a greater impact in the Arsenal game; that wouldn’t have been difficult.
However, this is in said in hindsight and Kamada had shown up reasonably well in the Brighton game.

Furthermore, put yourself in Glasner’s shows.

It seems that Kamada was signed by the club on the back of Glasner’s recommendation.
Although Glasner, unusually for a football manager, does not seem full of ego there must be a part of him who is keen to see his judgement vindicated.
From my untutored eye, Kamada does not look like a central midfielder and he does not look like a player for the front 3.
Accordingly, he doesn’t seem to be a natural fit for our system of playing.
He reminds me of an old fashioned inside forward with a decent engine who can display neat control and passing, but at the same time has minimal impact on games.
 
Devenny may well have made a greater impact in the Arsenal game; that wouldn’t have been difficult.
However, this is in said in hindsight and Kamada had shown up reasonably well in the Brighton game.

Furthermore, put yourself in Glasner’s shows.

It seems that Kamada was signed by the club on the back of Glasner’s recommendation.
Although Glasner, unusually for a football manager, does not seem full of ego there must be a part of him who is keen to see his judgement vindicated.
From my untutored eye, Kamada does not look like a central midfielder and he does not look like a player for the front 3.
Accordingly, he doesn’t seem to be a natural fit for our system of playing.
He reminds me of an old fashioned inside forward with a decent engine who can display neat control and passing, but at the same time has minimal impact on games.
At Eintracht Frankfurt, Glasner mainly deployed a 3-4-2-1 formation, but also deployed 3-4-1-2 and a 3-4-3 so he was tactically flexible.
I really do not know where Kamada fitted into his systems in the Bundesliga.
Kamada is the modern day Pardew, a player who faced shot and shell from supporters but played in over 125 games under Coppell !
 
At Eintracht Frankfurt, Glasner mainly deployed a 3-4-2-1 formation, but also deployed 3-4-1-2 and a 3-4-3 so he was tactically flexible.
I really do not know where Kamada fitted into his systems in the Bundesliga.
Kamada is the modern day Pardew, a player who faced shot and shell from supporters but played in over 125 games under Coppell !
You're correct in your observations about the view of Pardew.
I recall going to a fans' Q&A with Coppell and one brave soul posed the question on everybody's lips - ' Why do you persist in playing Pardew?'
Coppell's response was brief suggesting that Pardew 'provided the team with grit' and that his unselfish role was highly valued.

With regard to Kamada when (if ever) we start to take control of games on a more consistent basis, he may be provided with a more advantageous platform to demonstrate what he can bring to the table.
 
You're correct in your observations about the view of Pardew.
I recall going to a fans' Q&A with Coppell and one brave soul posed the question on everybody's lips - ' Why do you persist in playing Pardew?'
Coppell's response was brief suggesting that Pardew 'provided the team with grit' and that his unselfish role was highly valued.

With regard to Kamada when (if ever) we start to take control of games on a more consistent basis, he may be provided with a more advantageous platform to demonstrate what he can bring to the table.
I also recall attending a fans' Q&A in 'Crystals' where questions about the selection of Pardew were raised for Coppell to answer. !

Apropos Kamada, he was playing in what appears to have been a well-drilled Eintracht Frankfurt team who tasted success in Europe and finished towards the top end of the Bundesliga.Kamada is now 'Ploughing his furrow' in a team not at that elevated level, and this could be a contributing factor in relation to his performances at our club.
 
I'm not sure that this is going to help or simply fog the issue even more but this is what I think Lanzo is saying:

1. Glasner is a one trick pony in that his system is a fairly hard-wired 3-4-2-1 which requires certain types of players in order to work successfully - inter alia, wingbacks, number 10s, and a plethora of CBs.

2. If the club DON'T give him the right type of player in January then Lanzo foresees us in deep do-dos should Munoz and Mitchell be out for any length of time (or lose form) and we could well fall through the relegation trap-door. Lanzo would want Glasner out soonest to avert that risk if he's not properly backed in January.

3. However, if the club plan to give Glasner the type of players he needs for his system then Lanzo believes things will go well on the pitch BUT he wants the club to tie Glasner down beyond his current contract rather than find themselves in 18 months time with players bought for a specific system and having to find another manager who uses that system should Glasner not agree to a new contract.

4 In short, I think Lanzo is saying something like "either back Glasner in January with the right type of players or sack Glasner now".
Thank you for articulating something that he either chose not / couldn't / or I just didn't get it !

However ;

1. To paraphrase Willo, last week I was having an online discussion with gentlemen far more learned in the ways of football than I. The subject matter was around the hiring of new managers / head coaches, and what clubs look for. It came down to two things - a level of success in their previous roles and their preferred style of play. In Glasners case then, Parish and Freedman , if employing the same rationale, will be well aware of the type of players required to play for OG.

2. First he raises issues around selling Guehi, next it was back up for Munoz and Mitchell. Just opinions ultimately of course, but see my other post about the wing backs. Any player at any given time can get injured or lose form. I would contend that the main issue is lack of cover in Mitchells position, but as that has been the case even pre OG it seems it's not the top priority for the club.

3. Look, I'm pro Glasner. I haven't done any U turns on this. But do clubs align their signings to the length of the managers contract ? I don't think so.

4. If you're going to sack a manager, at least do it for the right reasons. And that typically is results decision together with a loss of belief that the manager can turn things around. We only have media reporting to go on of course, but there are indications that the club will spend in January. That will be to preserve our EPL status primarily but it also provides support to the manager.

The root of my issue in this debate has been around still possibly wanting the manager sacked but also wanting him to be offered a contract extension. That to me is madness - if you had an employee that was struggling to achieve their objectives, then yes, you would help them and hope that would turn things around for them. But would you offer them an extended contract if you had doubts about them ?
 
Seems pretty clear to me . Mind you I don’t think playing 4 at the back makes him a 1 trick pony given the tactical flexibility seen in games recently. That aside I agree he should be backed in January and have his contract extended!
On Devenny, he clearly has some good qualities but I seem to recall him losing the ball more than once in tussles with Arsenal midfielders when he came on. He is still very raw. I suppose you could say that at least he got into the tussles which perhaps Kamada doesn’t.
 
Arsenal are probably the best team to watch in the PL on their day but it took time and £750 million to help Arteta get them to where they are. In his first 18 months or so they were often dull as dishwater with 600 sideways passes a game and many of their fans wanted him out. Arsenal gave him time and bought the players to fit the way he wanted to play and it is paying dividends. The key will be bringing in players that can work in Glasner's system, but not going down the United route and signing all of your manager's former players and being left with a squad the next manager can't work with. The Arsenal game was a blip, but the score-line flattered them. The January window will be important in determining the rest of the season. Last January the signings of Wharton and Munoz helped transform our season, so let's hope we see something similar again.
 
If we continue in the second half of this season fielding a bench containing two goalkeepers , 3 untried youngsters, and a couple of veterans who are past their sell by date (as we have on a few occasions this season) , then Glasner will be entitled to feel let down.
To be doing this after a decade in the Premier League is not good enough.
Teams are routinely bringing 4 players off the bench these days with no discernible reduction in quality.
'Difficult window blah blah'....other clubs manage.
 
At Eintracht Frankfurt, Glasner mainly deployed a 3-4-2-1 formation, but also deployed 3-4-1-2 and a 3-4-3 so he was tactically flexible.
I really do not know where Kamada fitted into his systems in the Bundesliga.
Kamada is the modern day Pardew, a player who faced shot and shell from supporters but played in over 125 games under Coppell !
First Serie A, Second Bundesliga
 

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