Is Glasner the problem?

[park the bus]

Not much better ,we are in the bottom two.

Second from bottom!

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

To be fair you more or less had the same opinion about our chances of bringing anything back from Villa. A decent point that (on first half performance) could easily have been a win.

Could easily have been a defeat as well, time will tell

 

[grumpymort]

One thing in Glasner's favour is absolutely undeniable - the form of Jean Philippe Mateta pre Glasner and post Glasner is chalk and cheese - hugely improved thanks to OG, he may not be getting the Olise service to keep his goal tally up but he is playing superbly, and he never showed this level of form or consistency prior to Ollie's arrival.

No

Roy did have Eze & Olise available that was one of the big issues Glazner had both.

Next Mateta had limited game time under Glazner he was really only option Ed was just coming back from injury.

Another one money spend in Jan window remember those new players Wharton & Munoz.

When we hit run off form towards backend most of those teams had already checked out on holiday.

We need to judge by this season not the past (The manager is making odd choices at times and not adapting to situations with tactical change plus using subs)

I believe he is more focused on the cup he has shown in past he likes knock out football & just look at the strong line ups he keeps putting out when we may be playing 2/3 game per week (another reason why he have so many injuries)

 

[PatrickA]

There's an interesting range of views here.
There's Lanzo who's already made his mind up, and in fairness was probably the first call out the need for Vieira to go.
There's Willo, who has a good understanding of the game, but still forecasts us to lose every game, regardless of who the manager is.
There are others who think that as Glasner is a professional coach he can't be questioned by people who are not in the professional game.

It will be interesting to revisit the topic in a few weeks.
Glasner doesn't seem to be under any immediate pressure from the board, but as always results will determine his future - whether he knows more than people on this site or not.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

No

Roy did have Eze & Olise available that was one of the big issues Glazner had both.

Next Mateta had limited game time under Glazner he was really only option Ed was just coming back from injury.

Another one money spend in Jan window remember those new players Wharton & Munoz.

When we hit run off form towards backend most of those teams had already checked out on holiday.

We need to judge by this season not the past (The manager is making odd choices at times and not adapting to situations with tactical change plus using subs)

I believe he is more focused on the cup he has shown in past he likes knock out football & just look at the strong line ups he keeps putting out when we may be playing 2/3 game per week (another reason why he have so many injuries)

Vieira had both as well

 

[pssguy]

To be fair you more or less had the same opinion about our chances of bringing anything back from Villa. A decent point that (on first half performance) could easily have been a win.

There has been a lot pf positive takes from this game but the xGA at 3 was the highest the team has incurred this season. I would have hoped that the Guehi, Lacroix, Chaloboah combo would be working better by now. If the latter does not improve quickly, I would have thought Richards - as our own player and one who performed well last season - might replace him

 

[DANGERCLOSE]

If it’s a choice between points and performances then it’s points every single time for me at this stage. We have to win one in three games to stay up. We’ve won one in 12.

I do hear this about OG’s methods etc but how long do we wait? He’s been in charge for 28 games. It’s not like he started in September this year.

I also hear about the luck, poor officiating etc but hand on heart how many games have we been the better team in? Spurs and that’s it really. Brentford, Wolves and Villa were fairly even but Everton (on balance), West Ham, Fulham, Forest and even Leicester all played better than us over 90 mins. So did Liverpool, Chelsea and Man Utd though we were fortunate to get points from the latter two. After 12 games to be saying we have only really been the best team in one game just isn’t great.

I think you are right that the board will give Glasner until Xmas and the last few games have been an improvement no doubt. I hope we can discover a run of form but we are now in a position where any further bad run could mean it is relegation as we’ve already used up most of our margin for error.

Agreed

 

[pssguy]

When we hit run off form towards backend most of those teams had already checked out on holiday.

Can we squash this trope once and for all. Liverpool, Newcastle and Man Utd were all battling for European spots and I don't imagine Villa were happy to lose 5-0. After the first couple of games in the run. Palace were as much on the beach as any of their opponents as the team finished 23 points above the relegation spots

 

[ex hibitionist]

Can we squash this trope once and for all. Liverpool, Newcastle and Man Utd were all battling for European spots and I don't imagine Villa were happy to lose 5-0. After the first couple of games in the run. Palace were as much on the beach as any of their opponents as the team finished 23 points above the relegation spots

and there's the Liverpool win, where we rode our luck admittedly, but the 2-0 v Newcastle might be the best of the lot.

 

[ex hibitionist]

No

Roy did have Eze & Olise available that was one of the big issues Glazner had both.

Next Mateta had limited game time under Glazner he was really only option Ed was just coming back from injury.

Another one money spend in Jan window remember those new players Wharton & Munoz.

When we hit run off form towards backend most of those teams had already checked out on holiday.

We need to judge by this season not the past (The manager is making odd choices at times and not adapting to situations with tactical change plus using subs)

I believe he is more focused on the cup he has shown in past he likes knock out football & just look at the strong line ups he keeps putting out when we may be playing 2/3 game per week (another reason why he have so many injuries)

I'm not blind to Glasner's faults, you're right about fielding Wharton against Villa, the Eze injury was just bad luck, and he is more rigid with 3-5-2 or 343 than Roy was -with his formations he would go between 442, 433 and 451, and in his return at home to Leicester it was almost 415, but you're being so so selective in not giving Glasner the credit he deserves for Mateta's improvement - even if you don't count his goals last season he is playing far better now than he did for Roy or Viera, you can cite various circumstances but those circumstances were mainly made by each manager.

 

[RubinsCube]

There has been a lot pf positive takes from this game but the xGA at 3 was the highest the team has incurred this season. I would have hoped that the Guehi, Lacroix, Chaloboah combo would be working better by now. If the latter does not improve quickly, I would have thought Richards - as our own player and one who performed well last season - might replace him

Agreed these three could be operating better as a defensive unit. A reason I see for that is the lack of a "get out" option. Last year we had more intelligent movement up front (Olise, Eze playing better, Munoz bombing on) and someone who could find them (Anderson) when under pressure.

I'd add that the back three are being got at much too easily and pulled out of position: attacks down our left with Mitchell out of possession or out of position, and through the middle with Wharton off the pace (albeit injured). His replacements have all done ok but we are still too easy to get at.

A fit Wharton and Doucoure and some cutting edge up top will take the pressure of the back three. Competition for Mitchell would also be nice.

 

[dreamwaverider]

Devenny has taken his chance really well. I just hope Glasner sticks with him. Devenny showed he has got the tactical sense to play alongside Mateta and Sarr. The three looked promising front runners for us.
Pray Glasner does not revert back to Kamada.
When Wharton makes it back, alongside the restoring Doucoure, we could see an exciting fast moving team. I would also look at Richards instead of Chaloba, and bring in a new LWB. Chilwell on loan would be sweet.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

David Moyes is what i would choose as manager, 6 seasons at West Ham, 12 seasons at Everton, even his one year at Man Utd they finished seventh, 19 years in the Premier, 18 at middle of the table sides, no relegations with either, best finish 4th, worst 17th, i would willingly accept 17th this season

 

[Rudi Hedman]

Its so insane to me that so many people, with no coaching badges, or experience, keep banging on about the formation.

I reckon our experienced manager may be best placed to make some of these calls.

Better close Palace Talk down then. Or perhaps no match threads, player or manager threads. Won’t be much left of course.

 

[park the bus]

David Moyes is what i would choose as manager, 6 seasons at West Ham, 12 seasons at Everton, even his one year at Man Utd they finished seventh, 19 years in the Premier, 18 at middle of the table sides, no relegations with either, best finish 4th, worst 17th, i would willingly accept 17th this season

No thanks. But following the line of managers chosen (available) by Parish over the past 11 seasons it would be entirely reactive and predictable. Time will tell.

 

[JHB]

I'm not blind to Glasner's faults, you're right about fielding Wharton against Villa, the Eze injury was just bad luck, and he is more rigid with 3-5-2 or 343 than Roy was -with his formations he would go between 442, 433 and 451, and in his return at home to Leicester it was almost 415, but you're being so so selective in not giving Glasner the credit he deserves for Mateta's improvement - even if you don't count his goals last season he is playing far better now than he did for Roy or Viera, you can cite various circumstances but those circumstances were mainly made by each manager.

Glasner should be given credit for the things that he’s done well. Mateta’s transformation, Wharton’s remarkable development, the form at the end of last season. He deserves credit for all of those. Equally he needs to take criticism for the things that have gone badly. This season’s form, our lack of goals, playing players out of position, picking players who aren’t performing, the regression of Munoz and Guhei.

People are selective in ascribing good and bad luck to things that are happening. Ultimately the reason a Premier League manager is paid high wages is to take accountability for what happens on the pitch and own making that work.

 

[JHB]

No thanks. But following the line of managers chosen (available) by Parish over the past 11 seasons it would be entirely reactive and predictable. Time will tell.

If Glasner gets sacked it will be because we are losing touch at the foot of the table. In those circumstances you have to bring in a manager who you have a high confidence can get you out of relegation trouble. That means somebody with a track record in the Premier League. That in turn means a more ‘old school’ manager. Lots of people won’t like it but when you are fire fighting you can’t take a risk on a manager without a track record.

 

[park the bus]

If Glasner gets sacked it will be because we are losing touch at the foot of the table. In those circumstances you have to bring in a manager who you have a high confidence can get you out of relegation trouble. That means somebody with a track record in the Premier League. That in turn means a more ‘old school’ manager. Lots of people won’t like it but when you are fire fighting you can’t take a risk on a manager without a track record.

Which is why I say it is entirely reactive and predictable. In most cases looking at history helps us understand the present. This is what Parish needs to do, and ask himself: "Why does this keep happening? I want a modern, exciting, European style total football to be played by my side - what am I missing?"
Answers on a postcard please.

 

[JHB]

Which is why I say it is entirely reactive and predictable. In most cases looking at history helps us understand the present. This is what Parish needs to do, and ask himself: "Why does this keep happening? I want a modern, exciting, European style total football to be played by my side - what am I missing?"
Answers on a postcard please.

Answer. Because we can’t or won’t invest and our rivals will. For example refusing to fork out the wages for our best passing centre back and selling him once the season started. Now we can all argue about whether it was the right thing financially but you can’t build a Ferrari on the budget of a Skoda.

 

[PatrickA]

Which is why I say it is entirely reactive and predictable. In most cases looking at history helps us understand the present. This is what Parish needs to do, and ask himself: "Why does this keep happening? I want a modern, exciting, European style total football to be played by my side - what am I missing?"
Answers on a postcard please.

I was hoping that Glasner might be a Thomas Franck style manager.
Innovative, collaborative, personable and able to punch above his weight.

Glasner still might be this for us, but there have to be some doubts.

Franck is also a pragmatist who has adapted when key players have been unavailable.
He changes formations, rotates and swaps out players when things aren't working.
It's all about what works for the team to give them the best chance to achieve a result.
I doubt too many on here would suggest that they have a better squad than us, but they are certainly a more efficient team.

We are not an efficient team, at least so far this season, and cannot convert performances into results.