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Is Glasner the problem?
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While I take your point about losing 1 in 5 we’ve only gained 5 points from a possible 15 in our last 5 games and gone backwards in our league position. Wolves and Ipswich, two of our relegation rivals have found some form. I don’t think we can underestimate the battle we are in.
I hope you are right about it all turning around. Yes there were some mitigating circumstances in the first few games but I still think another manager would have more than 8 points from our fixtures so far. OG has to take the blame for tactical rigidity, playing a system that didn’t suit the players available, poor selections and playing players out of position.
Teddy Eagle
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No need to apologise for spelling - your meaning was clear and, for what it's worth, I agree with what you said.
ex hibitionist
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We're now almost touching the bottom, it's quite a strain but one big push and and our bad times will be behind us. We will return to calmer waters though it may take bulging eyes and veins throbbing in our temples before we get there. Prepare for soggy b*ll*cks, metaphorically speaking.
DANGERCLOSE
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We need back to back wins against Newcastle and Ipswich then I will feel better about things
ex hibitionist
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that's a big job
blackgirl3
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this season the premier is really tough and i think we are going to find hard it to stay up, but i do not blame the manager we have had rotten luck [ brentford] + missed chances etc etc, a pre season where most of our first team squad never had a break then signing 4 players on deadline day og had to reset the back 3 and the forward line then came a run of injuries to key players ,but i love the way we play now and the team spirit is there to be seen !!! i hope we can bring in a couple of players in jan tansfer window and olly please stop playing kamada in midfield play him in up front in striking role that is his best position ....lets all try to get behind the manager and the team 🙂 and enjoy the rollercoaster and who knows what might happen !
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park the bus
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Agree with your first paragraph, the reality of the situation is undeniable.
Regarding Glasner, this system is what he does, no? One would have thought that at interview Chancer Parish would have done some due diligence and been aware of what Glasner brings to the table, and discussed tactics and players.
So it is what it is. It seems to me that Chancer Parish had become blasé about our league position, that after ten odd seasons he took a lower mid table finish for granted. Undeniably he's had to firefight along the way; Pulis, Big Sam, Roy Hodgson all came along when things were looking dire and managed to turn it around, but in reality we haven't really progressed in that time. This season it's just another calamitous affair and all rather desperate, like previous seasons.
viveasheagle
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Reflecting on the season so far our problem in general is in attack. Mateta over the last few games has been excellent particularly in his hold play. He will get us goals if he gets the ball in the box. I am totally unconvinced by Sarr. Despite his goal on Saturday and the good run's he made he can't pass and does not seem to have much awareness about those around him. The next problem is that if you try to play Nketiah in the role he is not really suited to it - pretty much trying to put a square peg in a round hole. I know he has come in for a lot of stick but i think Kamada (who to me has good awareness and can pass) should go back into the team and be the link up player for Eze and Mateta.
The second part of the problem is that the wing backs need to support and supplement the front 3. Mitchell who is excellent defensively is very one dimensional going forward. Munoz is a better ball player but his work load over the last 12 months seems to be dulling his performances. Wharton, not been fully fit has lessened our effectiveness through the centre and you can see why the supply chain has started to dry up.
Feel we might only need 1 or 2 players to address the balance. One who has caught my eye is Dibling from Southampton. A raw sort of Olise but highly doubtful Southampton will sell while they are still in the premier league.
On plus side good to see Devenney look at home in the league. Early day's but he will provide competition for the returning midfield players as they recover from their injuries and suspensions and defensively we look pretty good.
The second part of the problem is that the wing backs need to support and supplement the front 3. Mitchell who is excellent defensively is very one dimensional going forward. Munoz is a better ball player but his work load over the last 12 months seems to be dulling his performances. Wharton, not been fully fit has lessened our effectiveness through the centre and you can see why the supply chain has started to dry up.
Feel we might only need 1 or 2 players to address the balance. One who has caught my eye is Dibling from Southampton. A raw sort of Olise but highly doubtful Southampton will sell while they are still in the premier league.
On plus side good to see Devenney look at home in the league. Early day's but he will provide competition for the returning midfield players as they recover from their injuries and suspensions and defensively we look pretty good.
I think there is more chance of having a pooh in Camila's handbag
Yes. That’s my point. Tactical inflexibility even when it is failing badly like this season. I expect a good manager to adapt. He hasn’t and that’s a major reason why we are second bottom with our worst ever start since we got back into the Premier League. Not as bad but it has had shades of FDB about it.
Eagle-Trucker
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Yes agree with everything you say there , Glasner and his tactics are not the problem , he just doesn't have the players to implement the way to play the modern game and that is down to recruitment ! i cant imagine any other manager getting anything out of that game against Villa , the players that were brought in are very good individual players but are yet to gell as a team , Sarr looks like he has finally found his boots and Kamada isnt good enough ( putting it as mild as i can ) a few signings in January and we will be fine . Glasner will still be our manager next season for sure .
park the bus
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Yes, that's one interpretation of the situation. It seems to me the club has been here before - Chancer Parish wants to progress the playing style without giving the manager the tools to do so. This explains why he had to bring in managers like Pulis, Allerdyce, and Hodgson to manage expectations and to go back to the basics. One can't build a house without a solid foundation. Does this mean Chancer Parish will sack Glasner and bring in another steady plodder if things aren't turned around by New Year? I don't know. What I do suspect is that Chancer Parish doesn't have a grip on the reality of what he wants it to be and that which is actually achievable given the club's circumstances. The season thus far is a culmination of what has gone before.
If you are using tactics you don’t have the players for then, by definition, your tactics are the problem
Eagle-Trucker
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He has had to adapt because of the lack of depth in our squad . So what manager and all of your negative mates do you think would take points off Villa with those players ? Roy , Cooper , Warnock , Southgate Lampard who? seen as you all seem to know the answers to every f***ing thing footbaall better than anyone else .
For me OG is the best coach to have walked into our club for some years and while respecting others thoughts find it amazing that he is even being discussed as 'a problem'
The players need time to adjust to his ways and the long term identity he is in-printing on the club . Last season was the short term fix ,the long term one will come with some backward steps but in the meantime Im more than happy with the progress .
The players need time to adjust to his ways and the long term identity he is in-printing on the club . Last season was the short term fix ,the long term one will come with some backward steps but in the meantime Im more than happy with the progress .
No need to get aggressive. We are just exchanging opinions. Let’s keep it civil yes?
All I’m saying is he hasn’t really adapted. He’s carried on trying to play tactics and formation we don’t have the players for.
You can call out people for being negative but we are second from bottom with 8 points from 12 and 1 win. Those are pretty negative facts.
Willo
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I have been the butt of criticism for my negativity but even though the facts you highlighted do not make pleasant reading, I cling to the fact that we have only played in 12 PL games and have not been cut adrift.
I accept that only 8 pts and 1 win from 12 games is a cause for concern.
Depending on results before Christmas I might resort to being an 'Elijah of doom' and in a hissy fit about our predicament.
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And never change? It's actually ridiculous. He's never going to remain long in a Job if he doesn't change according to the opposition or the circumstances of his own squad.
He has already quite obviously been read by all the other Premier League managers and they will adapt accordingly.
You now wonder was our good run based on the tactics being a surprise.
The obvious point being - don't adapt, you don't win, you don't last.