Is Glasner the problem?

[CpfcWeTrust1]

I'm not sure how it's the boards fault if judging by what The Athletic posted. It was OG who wanted Kamada, it was OG who was happy with the squad and youth in the team. Injuries cannot be blamed on the board, so what can be? We spent a decent amount in the window and got in some players who, on paper, were decent.

Unfortunately Sarr can't hit a barn door at present, Nketiah is now injured, as is Riad etc. Lacroix has mistakes in him, but on a whole, looks like he will be good.

I really like OG, so I don't want him to be fired but... he needs to stop squeezing favourites in and maybe he shouldn't be using the best squad for cups when we have youth that could be tested and he could be more imaginative with the formation.

We have a a full injury list and this is the main problem in my opinion. Again, this happened last year. Never having a full fit squad really hinders Palace.

 

[thegreatlardino]

I don't think Glasner is the problem. I don't think any manager(even Roy) would have got a result against Fulham with the squad we had available. We will suffer until our first team players are fit again and if we get an injury free spell we should get enough points to stay up.

Stop being so sensible!

 

[NEILLO]

Firstly errors don’t happen in a vacuum. They happen due to many reasons, yes bad luck but also players being asked to do things they can’t, play out of position, being left exposed, lacking confidence, opposition tactics forcing mistakes. Those are all things it is the manager’s job to influence.

Second, those errors are costing us games because we aren’t doing a lot of good things. Take the Henderson error at Forest. Ok a goalkeeper makes a mistake. Do you blame the manager? No. Do you blame the manager for the fact we then offered very little to get back into the game. Yes.

I think I am also perhaps not being clear enough about the difference between accountability and blame. Accountability means the buck stops with you. If your team keeps making daft errors that mean you lose games then as a manager you are accountable. The errors themselves might not be your fault but you are accountable for what your team does.

It’s like a workplace. If one person hurts themselves in your workplace you as the manager probably won’t be blamed. If people keep on hurting themselves you as the manager will be held accountable and be expected to take steps to prevent it.

We aren't going to agree on this I know.

My view is that the Manager / Head Coach takes full responsibility or accountability for the results. With one win in eleven games, it's understandable that questions are being asked of Glasner and that a section of the fanbase will advocate sacking him. He has had mitigating circumstances. In some ways similar to Roy last season when we had to do without Olise, Eze and Doucoure. But some on here are deliberately blind to that.

If we look at recent mistakes that have negatively impacted our games, I think it's principally these ;

* weak header from Chalobah at Forest, putting the ball into a danger zone
* Hendersons poor attempt at saving Woods speculative shot
* Chalobah committing himself to winning a ball which he didn't get to for Wolves first goal
* Lacroix inexplicably presenting the ball to Jiminez on Saturday.

They are unforced errors. They have nothing to do with being played out of position, left exposed etc etc. I just can't see how you can point the finger at the manager in those instances.

Kamada has contributed to us conceding when giving the ball away cheaply, and I could see a way of blaming Glasner for selecting him although he's had little choice but to involve him recently.

Whether Glasner can turn things around I really don't know. I hope he can but if not well....Auf Wiedersehen....

 

[PatrickA]

Whether people think Glasner is the problem or not is almost immaterial.
As ever , results will determine his future.

If we don’t take points in our next two games (Villa away, Newcastle home), I cannot see him surviving.
It would mean one win in 13 games with a third of the season gone.
It would leave us with a December fixture list including Man City, Arsenal and Brighton.

I’d love back to back wins v Villa and Newcastle, but we can’t keep clean sheets or score goals.
I’d be very surprised if the board is not already considering it’s options and sounding out potential replacements.
Obviously a replacement would have to be available and Potter and Moyes are the two current obvious out of work candidates.
We could wait until January but then may need European style form to keep us out of danger.
At that stage there would also be the complication of the transfer window with the upheaval that could entail.

 

[est1905]

Its simple the longer Glasner stays as manager with his pathetic "I'll play this formation no matter what" the quicker we are heading for relegation, that statement on its own deserves the sack, i think Rome and Nero sum up the Board. it will not change until he goes.

Well it was deserved win against Spurs and against Villa. We deserved to lose to Fulham. Even Glasner himself admitted that was the first time this season he felt we deserved nothing from the game. The reasons for that have nothing to do with the manager. We lost because we didn't convert chances we created and we made some catastrophic individual errors.
Prehaps you think players making stupid mistakes is Glasner's fault? I and every single other Palace fan I have spoken to doesn't.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

Well it was deserved win against Spurs and against Villa. We deserved to lose to Fulham. Even Glasner himself admitted that was the first time this season he felt we deserved nothing from the game. The reasons for that have nothing to do with the manager. We lost because we didn't convert chances we created and we made some catastrophic individual errors.
Prehaps you think players making stupid mistakes is Glasner's fault? I and every single other Palace fan I have spoken to doesn't.

Lets give it another six weeks shall we, then see who's opinion has changed, i hope its mine, but it wont be.

 

[est1905]

We aren't going to agree on this I know.

My view is that the Manager / Head Coach takes full responsibility or accountability for the results. With one win in eleven games, it's understandable that questions are being asked of Glasner and that a section of the fanbase will advocate sacking him. He has had mitigating circumstances. In some ways similar to Roy last season when we had to do without Olise, Eze and Doucoure. But some on here are deliberately blind to that.

If we look at recent mistakes that have negatively impacted our games, I think it's principally these ;

* weak header from Chalobah at Forest, putting the ball into a danger zone
* Hendersons poor attempt at saving Woods speculative shot
* Chalobah committing himself to winning a ball which he didn't get to for Wolves first goal
* Lacroix inexplicably presenting the ball to Jiminez on Saturday.

They are unforced errors. They have nothing to do with being played out of position, left exposed etc etc. I just can't see how you can point the finger at the manager in those instances.

Kamada has contributed to us conceding when giving the ball away cheaply, and I could see a way of blaming Glasner for selecting him although he's had little choice but to involve him recently.

Whether Glasner can turn things around I really don't know. I hope he can but if not well....Auf Wiedersehen....

This is largely how I feel. Results have been massively disappointing but you just cant dump all the blame on Glasner. You cant even put half the blame on him. Has he made mistakes? Of course. He is human. Can we expect a Pep quality manager at Palace? I'll let others decide the answer to that one.
When people moan about Kamada being selected Saturday I have to ask who else was there available? And dont say someone that doesn't usually play there because thats hypocrisy. You cant moan Glasner is playing people out of position then moan that he's taking a natural central midfielder out and replacing him with someone who doesn't play there.
As mentioned by many people on here we signed players too late. Some of which have still not found form. We have an awful injury list.
Time probably is running out for Glasner if results dont improve but I'm always of the opinion that if someone is out there that will improve things and change results instantly I'm definitely happy to make a change. Who is out there? Potter? Moyes? I dont think so. Paddy Macarthy would be laughably suicidal, nice bloke that he undoubtedly is.
If we get say 50% of the injured players fit lets see how we do in the international break. Frankly, if he still has to work with the same players unavailable I really cant see what any other manager could do better than he is doing now.

 

[est1905]

This is largely how I feel. Results have been massively disappointing but you just cant dump all the blame on Glasner. You cant even put half the blame on him. Has he made mistakes? Of course. He is human. Can we expect a Pep quality manager at Palace? I'll let others decide the answer to that one.
When people moan about Kamada being selected Saturday I have to ask who else was there available? And dont say someone that doesn't usually play there because thats hypocrisy. You cant moan Glasner is playing people out of position then moan that he's taking a natural central midfielder out and replacing him with someone who doesn't play there.
As mentioned by many people on here we signed players too late. Some of which have still not found form. We have an awful injury list.
Time probably is running out for Glasner if results dont improve but I'm always of the opinion that if someone is out there that will improve things and change results instantly I'm definitely happy to make a change. Who is out there? Potter? Moyes? I dont think so. Paddy Macarthy would be laughably suicidal, nice bloke that he undoubtedly is.
If we get say 50% of the injured players fit lets see how we do in the international break. Frankly, if he still has to work with the same players unavailable I really cant see what any other manager could do better than he is doing now.

Sorry I meant after the break obviously

 

[NMPalace]

I don't think Glasner is the problem. I don't think any manager(even Roy) would have got a result against Fulham with the squad we had available. We will suffer until our first team players are fit again and if we get an injury free spell we should get enough points to stay up.

I disagree. Last season in October we had terrible injuries and played Forest. We put put a weakened side and played very defensively. We had Jeff S, Hughes and Jairo in midfield, the latter went off injured early on. We rode our luck and drew 0.0 (a couple of weeks before we also drew 0.0 with Fulham).

Guehi and Lacroix should make a decent CB pairing we don't need 3 ATM.
Pack the midfield and try to catch teams on the break.
Do your research on the opposition - Smith Rowe playing No10 was a key one to stop as is the LB roaming forward. Palace didn't have a plan to counter either.

I like OG but his inability to adjust the formation depending on personnel and opposition is a real concern

 

[JHB]

We aren't going to agree on this I know.

My view is that the Manager / Head Coach takes full responsibility or accountability for the results. With one win in eleven games, it's understandable that questions are being asked of Glasner and that a section of the fanbase will advocate sacking him. He has had mitigating circumstances. In some ways similar to Roy last season when we had to do without Olise, Eze and Doucoure. But some on here are deliberately blind to that.

If we look at recent mistakes that have negatively impacted our games, I think it's principally these ;

* weak header from Chalobah at Forest, putting the ball into a danger zone
* Hendersons poor attempt at saving Woods speculative shot
* Chalobah committing himself to winning a ball which he didn't get to for Wolves first goal
* Lacroix inexplicably presenting the ball to Jiminez on Saturday.

They are unforced errors. They have nothing to do with being played out of position, left exposed etc etc. I just can't see how you can point the finger at the manager in those instances.

Kamada has contributed to us conceding when giving the ball away cheaply, and I could see a way of blaming Glasner for selecting him although he's had little choice but to involve him recently.

Whether Glasner can turn things around I really don't know. I hope he can but if not well....Auf Wiedersehen....

Hey, nothing wrong with not agreeing. It would be boring if we all had the same perspectives and opinions. I always enjoy reading a different viewpoint to my own, especially from knowledgable posters like your good self. We all just want Palace to do well and that’s the important thing.

 

[sprites]

I disagree. Last season in October we had terrible injuries and played Forest. We put put a weakened side and played very defensively. We had Jeff S, Hughes and Jairo in midfield, the latter went off injured early on. We rode our luck and drew 0.0 (a couple of weeks before we also drew 0.0 with Fulham).

Guehi and Lacroix should make a decent CB pairing we don't need 3 ATM.
Pack the midfield and try to catch teams on the break.
Do your research on the opposition - Smith Rowe playing No10 was a key one to stop as is the LB roaming forward. Palace didn't have a plan to counter either.

I like OG but his inability to adjust the formation depending on personnel and opposition is a real concern

I find it hilarious how people seem to think they see/are aware of things OG isn't. Like they've seen some sort of tactical mishap that OG hasn't. Not just above but in general.

Everyone chill.

 

[PatrickA]

I find it hilarious how people seem to think they see/are aware of things OG isn't. Like they've seen some sort of tactical mishap that OG hasn't. Not just above but in general.

Everyone chill.

If he’s aware of it , he doesn’t seem to be doing much about it.
We must be the only team in the Premier League going into every game with 2 central midfielders against usually 3 or 4 on the other team.
It’s not working.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

I find it hilarious how people seem to think they see/are aware of things OG isn't. Like they've seen some sort of tactical mishap that OG hasn't. Not just above but in general.

Everyone chill.

Glasner is way out of his depth, beating Rangers in the Europa league doesn't make him great, he is a fish out of water with not a clue what to do (blockbuster). He is fools gold.

 

[Jacey]

Glasner is way out of his depth, beating Rangers in the Europa league doesn't make him great, he is a fish out of water with not a clue what to do (blockbuster). He is fools gold.

All very true and clearly out of his depth.
With forthcoming fixtures against many top six sides, I can see another possible five straight defeats in a row and that will surely shake the complacency and concentrate the minds of decision makers, if nothing else ,in consequence of which we are likely to be the bottom Club.

 

[EagleinSF]

For the first time since promotion I get the feeling we may well go down this season. It's been the 'perfect storm' of high expectations at the start of the season, a very disjointed pre-season and first month or so, some terrible refereeing decisions, a manage who refuses to change tactics, loss of key personnel, and their replacements not being up to par (hoping that may change).

With a fit squad we'd be competitive, even playing 3 at the back. With the depleted squad and players playing out of position we're getting over-run. Should we change managers? IDK, but if we don't change formation and play to our strengths I think we're done for. If we get 4 points in our next 5 games I'd be surprised and even that leaves us in the brown sticky stuff.

But this is Palace and TBH I've seen it all over the past 55 years. What kills you is the hope that this time it'll be better!

 

[Nicholas91]

I can’t see us getting any points too soon and we’re in the relegation zone.

If we have a manager who employs a ‘if it’s broke don’t fix it’ mentality, I cannot see anybody’s opinion outside the boardroom being of any consequence.

We have a depleted squad and were seemingly unwise in the summer window. Glasner may not be the singular problem but he certainly won’t be a problem for much longer unless the unlikely happens, regardless of any longer term predictions. He won’t be here at all and tbh I question as to whether he’ll be sad about that or not.

A plan to merely just exist in the PL without building will always be a bigger problem than managers unable to deliver above these precarious objectives.

 

[Frenchaigle]

Whether people think Glasner is the problem or not is almost immaterial.
As ever , results will determine his future.

If we don’t take points in our next two games (Villa away, Newcastle home), I cannot see him surviving.
It would mean one win in 13 games with a third of the season gone.
It would leave us with a December fixture list including Man City, Arsenal and Brighton.

I’d love back to back wins v Villa and Newcastle, but we can’t keep clean sheets or score goals.
I’d be very surprised if the board is not already considering it’s options and sounding out potential replacements.
Obviously a replacement would have to be available and Potter and Moyes are the two current obvious out of work candidates.
We could wait until January but then may need European style form to keep us out of danger.
At that stage there would also be the complication of the transfer window with the upheaval that could entail.

I tend to agree with this, I reckon Parish will already be on the phone with a potential replacement during the international break .
I had a funny feeling I would wake up Monday morning to the news that Glasner had walked .
He looked and sounded pretty stressed during Palace tv interview post Fulham .
Barring some incredible performances and at least one win in next two games, which we can only I hope , Glasner will be gone .

 

[viveasheagle]

I think you also have to question if the boards policy of only offering the over 30's a 1 year contract and generally recruiting younger players with a view to selling them on is working out. While we had no choice over selling Olise, it would have been possible to keep Anderson and Ayew who are just the sort of players we could do with right now. I think JRS would also be getting game time but i see he is on a season long loan to Sheffield Utd. He looks a better player than Sarr in my opinion even though i had high hopes of Sarr when we signed him. Where has the player gone who scored a brace against Liverpool playing for Watford.

 

[Painter]

He wont be a problem after Xmas, he will be gone and replaced by Moyes. Moyes isnt the most exciting manager, but knows the Premier League and whats required to get results.

 

[Eaglehamster]

For once I'm grateful for the intervention of the otherwise useless UEFA Nations cup, to give the team a chance to recover and regroup. We simply must have a squad resembling our first team to stand a hope of getting us moving again. Further failure will put OG in dire jeopardy.

Moyes, even if he wanted the job, doesn't inspire much hope in me.