Is Glasner the problem?

[JHB]

I'm not in favour of sacking Glasner. That could still happen anyway but I think at the moment he needs more time. He can't be held responsible for the poor form of the players that were involved in international tournaments over the summer. Or for the glut of injuries recently.

I get that people are questioning his decision to stick with a set up that isn't yielding results, but if Wharton, Eze ( in particular ), Guehi, Mateta, Lerma and Munoz had been playing at the levels we know they can then I think that would maybe not even be an issue.

You then come to the players we parted company with - Olise I would contend is a unique player. And possibly the best I've seen in a Palace shirt ( and I've seen a few ). Impossible to replace like for like.
Andersen we have missed but Lacroix has got up to speed sufficiently and I think now looks a good replacement. Shame about his howler on Saturday. We do miss Jordan Ayew. We miss his graft, his ability to hold the ball and win free kicks.

It's been said before, Nketiah and Sarr are part of a DF dreamteam for some reason.

So, ultimately I have only two real issues with Glasner. His signing of Kamada being the first. He may well be a decent player, but I can't see what value he adds. He's meant to know Glasners way of playing but he looks out of his depth physically and clearly not up to playing the roles for which he has been selected to date.

The other issue is squad size. Glasner apparently favors having a small squad. That may work in other leagues but it certainly doesn't in the EPL. I hope that given what we have experienced so far this season, he's had a rethink on that one.

I think that if we are in the bottom three come end of January, he will be sacked.

Another wasted season.

Surely he can be held accountable for the poor form of the players. The form of the players is quite literally his job.

 

[NEILLO]

Surely he can be held accountable for the poor form of the players. The form of the players is quite literally his job.

So it's OG's fault that, for example, Eze has been missing chances ?

How is he accountable for that ?

Was he accountable for Chalobahs poor headed clearance and then Hendersons failure to keep out a long range shot ??

 

[JHB]

So it's OG's fault that, for example, Eze has been missing chances ?

How is he accountable for that ?

Was he accountable for Chalobahs poor headed clearance and then Hendersons failure to keep out a long range shot ??

Yes. He is accountable for errors and poor play. Whether he is responsible is different. But accountable he sure is. The buck stops with the manager for what happens on the pitch.

Also to play that the other way I guess he can’t take any credit then for Mateta’s run of brilliant finishing last season or Olise and Eze’s goals? It works both ways

 

[NEILLO]

Yes. He is accountable for errors and poor play. Whether he is responsible is different. But accountable he sure is. The buck stops with the manager for what happens on the pitch.

Also to play that the other way I guess he can’t take any credit then for Mateta’s run of brilliant finishing last season or Olise and Eze’s goals? It works both ways

I disagree.

He's accountable for results. And obviously they have not been good enough. He rightly got the credit for the 6 wins and a draw in the last 7 games last season.

Once the players step over the white line then it's in their hands as to how well they play.

 

[palace chick]

It's that they're not good enough. Sarr has never proven anything his entire career. Nketiah has only ever been a sub, and Kamada is not a Premier League player. At the most, Sarr and Nketiah are bit part players - not first team starters. We'd be better off with our youngsters who may even be able to fulfill a role we need.

I think replacing those two with first team players that can play how Glasner expects us is the way forward. This would leave those 2 on the bench which would improve the squad tremendously. Sadly we will run out of time and won’t get enough results to pull us clear if we wait until January window? Catch 22 situation :-( If we keep Glasner in post I believe we will get relegated. We need to change manager now to have a chance of staying up. No guarantees of that. Perhaps going down with Glasner and coming back up with him still in charge is the best option? No guarantees of that also - tough choice for Parish at this time. Can we afford to go down and rebuild again?

 

[JHB]

I think replacing those two with first team players that can play how Glasner expects us is the way forward. This would leave those 2 on the bench which would improve the squad tremendously. Sadly we will run out of time and won’t get enough results to pull us clear if we wait until January window? Catch 22 situation :-( If we keep Glasner in post I believe we will get relegated. We need to change manager now to have a chance of staying up. No guarantees of that. Perhaps going down with Glasner and coming back up with him still in charge is the best option? No guarantees of that also - tough choice for Parish at this time. Can we afford to go down and rebuild again?

I cannot see Glasner staying if we went down. First we’d make a change before then. Second he wouldn’t want to manage a league down. Third, he needs high energy, technically adept players for his tactics to work. Won’t get them (or enough of them at least) in the Championship. I also think he would be unsuited to the Championship. The nature of that league in terms of physicality, number of games means you have to have managers who can adapt and play a bit ugly to win sometimes. That isn’t OH’s strength

 

[Jacey]

I think replacing those two with first team players that can play how Glasner expects us is the way forward. This would leave those 2 on the bench which would improve the squad tremendously. Sadly we will run out of time and won’t get enough results to pull us clear if we wait until January window? Catch 22 situation :-( If we keep Glasner in post I believe we will get relegated. We need to change manager now to have a chance of staying up. No guarantees of that. Perhaps going down with Glasner and coming back up with him still in charge is the best option? No guarantees of that also - tough choice for Parish at this time. Can we afford to go down and rebuild again?

Apart from Ipswich at home,difficult to see where our next win will come from leading up to Xmas,probably keeping us cemented in the bottom three.
Surely, Parish will see that the Austrian is out of his depth and needs to hire an experienced Manager in the form of Potter or perhaps,even Moyes to have a chance of avoiding the drop.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

I disagree.

He's accountable for results. And obviously they have not been good enough. He rightly got the credit for the 6 wins and a draw in the last 7 games last season.

Once the players step over the white line then it's in their hands as to how well they play.

You are deluded, lets see how it plays out with Glasner, defeat after defeat, and the confidence on a par with Vieiras last 4/5 games.

 

[BromleyMonkey]

Apart from Ipswich at home,difficult to see where our next win will come from leading up to Xmas,probably keeping us cemented in the bottom three.
Surely, Parish will see that the Austrian is out of his depth and needs to hire an experienced Manager in the form of Potter or perhaps,even Moyes to have a chance of avoiding the drop.

I’ve spouted that line many a time since promotion, I've posted it just before we then won 5 on the trot, I remember doing it and we won 3 on the trot, I also did it before we beat Liverpool at Anfield last season which started our superb end to the season.
So basically you just never know what’s coming with us

 

[rollercoaster]

I don't think Glasner is the problem. I don't think any manager(even Roy) would have got a result against Fulham with the squad we had available. We will suffer until our first team players are fit again and if we get an injury free spell we should get enough points to stay up.

 

[JHB]

I don't think Glasner is the problem. I don't think any manager(even Roy) would have got a result against Fulham with the squad we had available. We will suffer until our first team players are fit again and if we get an injury free spell we should get enough points to stay up.

But as I’ve said elsewhere how often will they all be fit? Maybe in a third of our remaining games. If our strategy is crossing our fingers and hoping they get fit and also recover form then we might as well start planning for life in the Championship. I am convinced a different manager would have more points at this stage of the season. I also see nothing that shows OG is adapting to the situation and the challenge we face.

 

[taylors lovechild]

You are right we can’t judge just on the Fulham game. What about the first 11 games in totality though? 1 win, 7 points, 8 goals, in the relegation places and mostly playing awful football. We can say we need luck with injuries but I don’t want a manager reliant on luck. I want one who tries to make things happen and adapts to help us win games. Realistically we are going to get our best eleven (if OG even knows what that is) on the pitch in maybe a third of our remaining games. If we write off the rest we will need to win all of those games to stay up. Isn’t going to happen. If that is what OG is dependent on we need to change manager sharpish

Clearly OG isn't going to rely on luck, but the fact is we do not have a strong enough squad to cope with more than a few injuries. If Pep can't win with Man City when they have similar injury issues then what hope do we have? My hope rests on the Spurs, Villa and Wolves' performances. They showed there is still fight left in the team, but it's hard to argue we've not had the best luck this season from day one both in terms of injuries but also dubious VAR calls. Also, I don't want Moyes and if Glasner went he is the most obvious candidate to take over.

 

[mtp1958]

why are we calling for glasner tobe sacked , injurys and bad luck he cant change that , we have missed Richards and Eze and fully fit Wharton , Doucoure is back thats 4 of the first 11 , also Hughes is back , glad Kamada wont be playing next 3 games has looked wanting , like to see the kid Umolu given a chance , Mateta needs alot more supply Sarr is guilty of head down Nketiah also , we all know Matty gets a look at goal he will get one , changing manager wont help at this time

 

[NEILLO]

You are deluded, lets see how it plays out with Glasner, defeat after defeat, and the confidence on a par with Vieiras last 4/5 games.

I'm not deluded in the least.

If you bothered to try to understand what I wrote it is that he is accountable for results. Which have not been good enough. You have already written him off without seeing the bigger picture of why we are where we are.

I've summarised my thoughts on the current situation on another thread so won't repeat them here.

You always seem to be in the reactionary camp of '' sack the manager ''. And you may have called it correctly with Vieira but that doesn't make you right every time.

Now if once we get our established players back and results don't improve then Parish has a big decision to make and you will probably get your wish. And I would have no argument with that either. I just don't think that time is now.

 

[park the bus]

Let's imagine come Xmas Palace are still in the relegation zone, having only picked up a few points on the way. What to do? Parish has a choice - sack Glasner and bring the next poor mug in, give him some funds to bring in a few players to bolster the squad.
Or - retain Glasner and give him some funds to bring in a few players to bolster the squad.
And then hope that it's enough and fortunes change.
My question is, who should take over should Glasner depart? Plenty of criticism of Glasner on this thread but no alternatives offered. As far as I can tell some posters are hinting at Moyes but they can't bring themselves to say it out loud...

 

[Spiderman]

Surely he can be held accountable for the poor form of the players. The form of the players is quite literally his job.

Not sure he can be blamed for the easy chances we have missed and defensive howlers ( ie Henderson at Forest and LaCroix on Saturday)

 

[JHB]

Not sure he can be blamed for the easy chances we have missed and defensive howlers ( ie Henderson at Forest and LaCroix on Saturday)

I am not sure he can be blamed but he is accountable for those errors being the defining factor in us losing games. When you are in the most senior position in an organisational set up you are accountable for what happens in that organisation. Ultimately if individual errors are defining games then that is OG’s accountability. Maybe not for the errors themselves but for the fact that his set up and approach means there isn’t enough good stuff happening to offset them.

 

[JHB]

Clearly OG isn't going to rely on luck, but the fact is we do not have a strong enough squad to cope with more than a few injuries. If Pep can't win with Man City when they have similar injury issues then what hope do we have? My hope rests on the Spurs, Villa and Wolves' performances. They showed there is still fight left in the team, but it's hard to argue we've not had the best luck this season from day one both in terms of injuries but also dubious VAR calls. Also, I don't want Moyes and if Glasner went he is the most obvious candidate to take over.

I get it. I do. However can you point to anything OG has done to adapt to the situation ? He’s continued playing the same failing tactics. Ultimately the reason he is earning millions of pounds is to come up with solutions to help. He isn’t at the moment.

I also know we’ve had some bad luck but we have also had good luck as well. On another day Chelsea, Man Utd and Wolves would all have out four past us.

 

[JHB]

I get it. I do. However can you point to anything OG has done to adapt to the situation ? He’s continued playing the same failing tactics. Ultimately the reason he is earning millions of pounds is to come up with solutions to help. He isn’t at the moment.

I also know we’ve had some bad luck but we have also had good luck as well. On another day Chelsea, Man Utd and Wolves would all have out four past us.

I’d also say re injuries that yes they impact but good managers adapt. Ferguson won the European Cup despite missing his starting centre midfielders in the final. I am not saying we have anything like the squad depth of that Man Utd team. Just making the point that good managers find a way. It’s kind of the defining point of what makes a manager good

 

[park the bus]

I am not sure he can be blamed but he is accountable for those errors being the defining factor in us losing games. When you are in the most senior position in an organisational set up you are accountable for what happens in that organisation. Ultimately if individual errors are defining games then that is OG’s accountability. Maybe not for the errors themselves but for the fact that his set up and approach means there isn’t enough good stuff happening to offset them.

What nonsense. If, for example OG has his designated penalty taker and thus far the taker has a 100% conversion record, how can OG be accountable if the opposition keeper makes an amazing save for the next one?