Is Glasner the problem?

[Eagle-Trucker]

If Glasner continues his "I'll play this formation no matter what"? we will not win a game before Christmas, the man is a complete Buffoon, with ego to match, i am right, iam right, iam right, its Vieira all over again but worse, Sack him NOW, Lanzo knows best 😎

And Eze will win the ballon d'or and Meteta will be top scorer this season . However i think you are right on OG .

 

[park the bus]

No, Glasner is not the problem. He may be the man to take a talented squad and apply a system that yields a positive style of play and results. He may not be the man to find a system that can avoid relegation without the talented squad, the best players of which were sold off and their replacements being decidedly inferior to those departed.
Looking back and at the wider picture, we've finished on average around 12th spot, quite reasonable given the circumstances, but various managers were never given the means player-wise to improve on that final tally, and Chancer Parish seems to have settled into the belief that corners can be cut, the squad can be weakened, best players can be sold, players can go out on loan, injuries don't need to be covered, and that we'll be ok, there'll always be 3 teams worse than us. Now it looks like we are one of those 3 teams.
No one can say they didn't see it coming. Chancer Parish chanced one time too many. The money made from the sale of Olise and others doesn't even cover the amount spent on complete duffers such as Benteke, Edouard, Mayer, Schlupp, Franca, Kamada, etc over the seasons. Our recruitment is piss poor.
And what makes me laugh is the new stand. Or rather the first brick of which is still waiting to be laid ceremoniously by SP himself. Maybe one day SP will proudly announce the opening of the SP stand, but we'll be in the Championship by then, and it won't be Glasner's fault.

 

[Willo]

I do not wish to apportion culpability against Glasner or the club. Suffice to say when a team is not attaining the desired results and is marooned in the relegation zone or just above, 'Boards' concentrate their minds on the position of the manager.
For our sakes I do hope that Glasner improves our fortunes and if so his position will not be the focus of debate.

 

[JHB]

No, Glasner is not the problem. He may be the man to take a talented squad and apply a system that yields a positive style of play and results. He may not be the man to find a system that can avoid relegation without the talented squad, the best players of which were sold off and their replacements being decidedly inferior to those departed.
Looking back and at the wider picture, we've finished on average around 12th spot, quite reasonable given the circumstances, but various managers were never given the means player-wise to improve on that final tally, and Chancer Parish seems to have settled into the belief that corners can be cut, the squad can be weakened, best players can be sold, players can go out on loan, injuries don't need to be covered, and that we'll be ok, there'll always be 3 teams worse than us. Now it looks like we are one of those 3 teams.
No one can say they didn't see it coming. Chancer Parish chanced one time too many. The money made from the sale of Olise and others doesn't even cover the amount spent on complete duffers such as Benteke, Edouard, Mayer, Schlupp, Franca, Kamada, etc over the seasons. Our recruitment is piss poor.
And what makes me laugh is the new stand. Or rather the first brick of which is still waiting to be laid ceremoniously by SP himself. Maybe one day SP will proudly announce the opening of the SP stand, but we'll be in the Championship by then, and it won't be Glasner's fault.

I think it is unfair to call Schlupp a duffer. As memory serves we signed him for £14m at a time we desperately needed to improve the squad. He’s done fine for a player of that value. Been a good squad player for us over a number of seasons. Yes he’s probably now beyond it but in his time at Palace but I think he’s fulfilled his role and transfer fee

 

[park the bus]

I think it is unfair to call Schlupp a duffer. As memory serves we signed him for £14m at a time we desperately needed to improve the squad. He’s done fine for a player of that value. Been a good squad player for us over a number of seasons. Yes he’s probably now beyond it but in his time at Palace but I think he’s fulfilled his role and transfer fee

Yes you may be right, poor Jeff. He's done his bit helping fill out the midfield. Ok, take Jeff out and put Ahamada in, and Nketiah, between them £35 odd million wasted on dross.

 

[NMPalace]

If Glasner continues his "I'll play this formation no matter what"? we will not win a game before Christmas, the man is a complete Buffoon, with ego to match, i am right, iam right, iam right, its Vieira all over again but worse, Sack him NOW, Lanzo knows best 😎

I like OG and he deserves respect for what he has previously achieved in management and of course for what he did last season - our finish to the season was sensational.

However, to play the same formation, regardless of players and opposition, is a serious flaw.

So what will change in the next few weeks? Other than Hughes i don't think any of the injured players will be back so what will he do? If we play 3421 with say Schlupp playing on the right i will give up.
Personally atm i think 433 will suit the players better

 

[JHB]

I like OG and he deserves respect for what he has previously achieved in management and of course for what he did last season - our finish to the season was sensational.

However, to play the same formation, regardless of players and opposition, is a serious flaw.

So what will change in the next few weeks? Other than Hughes i don't think any of the injured players will be back so what will he do? If we play 3421 with say Schlupp playing on the right i will give up.
Personally atm i think 433 will suit the players better

But he won’t change formation and it clearly isn’t working even when we have more players available. So what do we do? I don’t think we really have much option other than to change the manager at this stage

 

[taylors lovechild]

Glasner has been unfortunate in that most of key injury issues have been in the same area of the pitch. Roy had a similar issue a while back when we lost all of our centre-backs. There's no point hiding from the fact that we were not great against Fulham, but I think it's also daft to judge us on that game. The previous three matches showed we still have fight and ability and I think it really is down to injury and fitness issues. He wants the team to play with intensity but when they're not capable of that we struggle. It's a similar story with other teams that want to play a high press, like Spurs. If we have some luck with injuries then I'm confident we'll be fine, but if the injury and fitness issues persist I can't see us surviving as our squad is too small (something which is being reported is OG's decision). For once this international break couldn't have come at a better time.

 

[JHB]

Glasner has been unfortunate in that most of key injury issues have been in the same area of the pitch. Roy had a similar issue a while back when we lost all of our centre-backs. There's no point hiding from the fact that we were not great against Fulham, but I think it's also daft to judge us on that game. The previous three matches showed we still have fight and ability and I think it really is down to injury and fitness issues. He wants the team to play with intensity but when they're not capable of that we struggle. It's a similar story with other teams that want to play a high press, like Spurs. If we have some luck with injuries then I'm confident we'll be fine, but if the injury and fitness issues persist I can't see us surviving as our squad is too small (something which is being reported is OG's decision). For once this international break couldn't have come at a better time.

You are right we can’t judge just on the Fulham game. What about the first 11 games in totality though? 1 win, 7 points, 8 goals, in the relegation places and mostly playing awful football. We can say we need luck with injuries but I don’t want a manager reliant on luck. I want one who tries to make things happen and adapts to help us win games. Realistically we are going to get our best eleven (if OG even knows what that is) on the pitch in maybe a third of our remaining games. If we write off the rest we will need to win all of those games to stay up. Isn’t going to happen. If that is what OG is dependent on we need to change manager sharpish

 

[Davepalace707]

You are right we can’t judge just on the Fulham game. What about the first 11 games in totality though? 1 win, 7 points, 8 goals, in the relegation places and mostly playing awful football. We can say we need luck with injuries but I don’t want a manager reliant on luck. I want one who tries to make things happen and adapts to help us win games. Realistically we are going to get our best eleven (if OG even knows what that is) on the pitch in maybe a third of our remaining games. If we write off the rest we will need to win all of those games to stay up. Isn’t going to happen. If that is what OG is dependent on we need to change manager sharpish

Under other managers we have had with the injuries we have it would have been park the bus time

 

[ASCPFC]

Yes you may be right, poor Jeff. He's done his bit helping fill out the midfield. Ok, take Jeff out and put Ahamada in, and Nketiah, between them £35 odd million wasted on dross.

Ahamada out on loan somewhere.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Never having played at anything beyond the most basic level I'd like to ask those who have - how much does sticking to one set up actually help the players? It might work for dominant teams but otherwise must make it easier for opponents to play against when they know what to expect, particularly when we don't have any "X factor" Zaha/Eze/Olise types available who can make things happen on their own. Sometimes.
Asking as someone whose eyes glaze over at the mention of any combination of 2, 3 & 4 but I'd have thought different games needed a bit of adaptibility.

 

[park the bus]

Ahamada out on loan somewhere.

Rennes, hopefully we can offload him and get our money back

 

[JHB]

Under other managers we have had with the injuries we have it would have been park the bus time

I’m not sure I saw anything different than that on Saturday. It wasn’t like we played attacking football or tried to go direct to put pressure on their back line. We had a very defensive line up, ceded possession to them and once they scored that was that in terms of a contest. They were even more dominant in the second half. Given that 4-5-1 would actually have been a much better formation to play

 

[PatrickA]

Never having played at anything beyond the most basic level I'd like to ask those who have - how much does sticking to one set up actually help the players? It might work for dominant teams but otherwise must make it easier for opponents to play against when they know what to expect, particularly when we don't have any "X factor" Zaha/Eze/Olise types available who can make things happen on their own. Sometimes.
Asking as someone whose eyes glaze over at the mention of any combination of 2, 3 & 4 but I'd have thought different games needed a bit of adaptibility.

We have so many centre halves we almost have to play with 3 at the back unless we play them out of position e.g full back or midfield.
Bear in mind there’s Richards and Riad to come into contention as well.
The squad is unbalanced.

Further forward I’m not sure why our players are tactically inflexible.
Other clubs have players who can play anywhere across the front 3 with no discernible drop off in performance.
It’s not clear to me why Sarr, Nketiah and Kamada find it so hard to adapt.
Is it because Glasner’s system is too rigid or that they just aren’t quite good enough?

 

[NEILLO]

I'm not in favour of sacking Glasner. That could still happen anyway but I think at the moment he needs more time. He can't be held responsible for the poor form of the players that were involved in international tournaments over the summer. Or for the glut of injuries recently.

I get that people are questioning his decision to stick with a set up that isn't yielding results, but if Wharton, Eze ( in particular ), Guehi, Mateta, Lerma and Munoz had been playing at the levels we know they can then I think that would maybe not even be an issue.

You then come to the players we parted company with - Olise I would contend is a unique player. And possibly the best I've seen in a Palace shirt ( and I've seen a few ). Impossible to replace like for like.
Andersen we have missed but Lacroix has got up to speed sufficiently and I think now looks a good replacement. Shame about his howler on Saturday. We do miss Jordan Ayew. We miss his graft, his ability to hold the ball and win free kicks.

It's been said before, Nketiah and Sarr are part of a DF dreamteam for some reason.

So, ultimately I have only two real issues with Glasner. His signing of Kamada being the first. He may well be a decent player, but I can't see what value he adds. He's meant to know Glasners way of playing but he looks out of his depth physically and clearly not up to playing the roles for which he has been selected to date.

The other issue is squad size. Glasner apparently favors having a small squad. That may work in other leagues but it certainly doesn't in the EPL. I hope that given what we have experienced so far this season, he's had a rethink on that one.

I think that if we are in the bottom three come end of January, he will be sacked.

Another wasted season.

 

[grumpymort]

Glasner is in the situation Roy was in the recruitment wasn't good enough so he would stick with same players and then you get injuries which doesn't give many options.

Both was very stubborn when it came to changing systems and making poor tactic changes during a game.

When I look at it Glasners lack of experience in this league has shown as well he has come from a league which is far of this standard and far easier schedule.

Some managers can work with players they have and use them the best way they can others want or need people to fit into there system this is what Glasner is and the people he worked with before who have come in are not the standard of this league (They may improve with time but not sure some people just cant keep up with the physical and mental side of Prem)

If we had the same squad from last season I think we would be up with the likes of Forest he have let too many go and tried brining in bargain basement players for overpriced fees this is not on the manager (Glasner if you go back and watch some interviews was not happy with losing so many players and lack of in comings)

Looking at it now we should have let Guehi go for 80m (I do wonder if he didnt fancy Newcastle which is why it really didn't happen)

It's shocking how we keep going back to old lists of players the likes of Nketia and Sarr we wanted for years and then over pay when back then we could have had them a lot cheaper but wouldnt pay the price.

WHy are we still paying Holding pay him off and get rid off him

 

[ASCPFC]

We have so many centre halves we almost have to play with 3 at the back unless we play them out of position e.g full back or midfield.
Bear in mind there’s Richards and Riad to come into contention as well.
The squad is unbalanced.

Further forward I’m not sure why our players are tactically inflexible.
Other clubs have players who can play anywhere across the front 3 with no discernible drop off in performance.
It’s not clear to me why Sarr, Nketiah and Kamada find it so hard to adapt.
Is it because Glasner’s system is too rigid or that they just aren’t quite good enough?

It's that they're not good enough. Sarr has never proven anything his entire career. Nketiah has only ever been a sub, and Kamada is not a Premier League player. At the most, Sarr and Nketiah are bit part players - not first team starters. We'd be better off with our youngsters who may even be able to fulfill a role we need.

 

[ASCPFC]

Rennes, hopefully we can offload him and get our money back

He's better than Kamada.

 

[park the bus]

He's better than Kamada.

Yes, but that isn't really saying much is it? Ha ha...