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Is Glasner the problem?

Not sure I blame Glasner for this mess. We have a weak squad of players who are continually injured. The finger needs to be pointed at whoever recruited in the summer, if it’s Freedman he needs to go now.
 
It would appear that the Glasner 'Honeymoon' is history. When performances and results are disappointing and expectations are not met invariably it is the manager who is subjected to criticism irrespective of any extenuating circumstances.
 
Looking at the current table it looks likely that the 3 to be relegated will come from the bottom 7.
Everton always escape and with their physical approach are likely to again.
West Ham will spend big and will have no qualms about changing their manager if in danger.
Thus I would suggest that we are one of the 5 candidates to make up the 3.

At the moment I don't feel confident we'll get the 30+ points to avoid being a candidate.
I can see us drawing games, but not winning that many.
We don't score enough goals.
Mateta will chip in with a few, and possibly Eze, but we don't have goals from midfield or out wide.
Of course this can be addressed in January , but it's a gamble with many points potentially lost between now and January ( we face Villa, Newcastle, Brighton, Arsenal, City).
Returning players will help hopefully but not necessarily lead to a change of results if we use the same pattern of play.

For real change we either have to change the way we play or change the manager.
I don't believe playing the same way will get us the results and the 30+ points we need.
 
I think he has been unlucky . Results could quite easily have been a lot better without individual errors and bad calls from the ref

The Eze 'goal ' at Brentford that would probably meant we won a game we ended up losing ,Eze missed chances v Man u , the soft goal away to Forest, just a few off the top of my head would see us 6-7 points better off which would put us 13th /14th

Nobody would even had started such a thread had that been the case . I can see a future with Glasner that would see us competing in the top half rather than the bottom and personally would be making sure he was tied to a long term deal .
 
Injuries aside, our biggest problem is lack of goals. Only Southampton have scored fewer and our xG is double what we actually score. In contrast our goals against tally is no worse than half the clubs in the league and our goals conceded is actually less than our xG against.
Mateta scoring 3 from 11 isn’t great and neither is Eze’s solitary goal, but Sarr, Nketiah, and Kamada have contributed nothing in the league despite having chances.
I’m not sure we can blame Glasner for incompetent strikers especially if Sarr and Nketiah weren’t his choices.
 
Dogburger said:
I think he has been unlucky . Results could quite easily have been a lot better without individual errors and bad calls from the ref

The Eze 'goal ' at Brentford that would probably meant we won a game we ended up losing ,Eze missed chances v Man u , the soft goal away to Forest, just a few off the top of my head would see us 6-7 points better off which would put us 13th /14th

Nobody would even had started such a thread had that been the case . I can see a future with Glasner that would see us competing in the top half rather than the bottom and personally would be making sure he was tied to a long term deal .
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Missing chances and conceding soft goals aren’t luck. They are lack of skill, concentration or composure. If missed chances are luck then we were incredibly lucky against Man Utd, Chelsea and Wolves all of whom missed multiple gilt edged chances against us.

The stats just don’t lie at this point. We’ve scored 8 goals in 11 games. That will never get it done.
 
BelfastEagle said:
Not sure I blame Glasner for this mess. We have a weak squad of players who are continually injured. The finger needs to be pointed at whoever recruited in the summer, if it’s Freedman he needs to go now.
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Do you seriously think it wasn't Glasner who wanted Kamada
 
Palacesince64 said:
Injuries aside, our biggest problem is lack of goals. Only Southampton have scored fewer and our xG is double what we actually score. In contrast our goals against tally is no worse than half the clubs in the league and our goals conceded is actually less than our xG against.
Mateta scoring 3 from 11 isn’t great and neither is Eze’s solitary goal, but Sarr, Nketiah, and Kamada have contributed nothing in the league despite having chances.
I’m not sure we can blame Glasner for incompetent strikers especially if Sarr and Nketiah weren’t his choices.
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Why do you think they were not players he wanted?
 
PatrickA said:
Looking at the current table it looks likely that the 3 to be relegated will come from the bottom 7.
Everton always escape and with their physical approach are likely to again.
West Ham will spend big and will have no qualms about changing their manager if in danger.
Thus I would suggest that we are one of the 5 candidates to make up the 3.

At the moment I don't feel confident we'll get the 30+ points to avoid being a candidate.
I can see us drawing games, but not winning that many.
We don't score enough goals.
Mateta will chip in with a few, and possibly Eze, but we don't have goals from midfield or out wide.
Of course this can be addressed in January , but it's a gamble with many points potentially lost between now and January ( we face Villa, Newcastle, Brighton, Arsenal, City).
Returning players will help hopefully but not necessarily lead to a change of results if we use the same pattern of play.

For real change we either have to change the way we play or change the manager.
I don't believe playing the same way will get us the results and the 30+ points we need.
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That is the bottom line, the first one wont happen, so the second one has to happen now, he is becoming an embarrassment with his inflexibility and his press conference calamities.
 
JHB said:
Missing chances and conceding soft goals aren’t luck. They are lack of skill, concentration or composure. If missed chances are luck then we were incredibly lucky against Man Utd, Chelsea and Wolves all of whom missed multiple gilt edged chances against us.

The stats just don’t lie at this point. We’ve scored 8 goals in 11 games. That will never get it done.
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We are officially a bottom 3 team now. In a season we were dreaming about European football due to success in PL. But we have a stubborn manager seemingly not capable to change his approach, keep picking players not fit and good enough . Schlupp, Kamada the two obvious ones, sent out full team in the League Cup that cost us big time (Eze and Warton injured) and we are probably the worst playing team in our league.
We can hope and dream of improvement when our star players are back, but then it might be too late. However nice and well-meaning OG seems to be, several things point to change of manager ASAP...
 
Lanzo-Ad said:
That is the bottom line, the first one wont happen, so the second one has to happen now, he is becoming an embarrassment with his inflexibility and his press conference calamities.
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How did we get here Lanzo? It seems almost implausible after the run at the end of the season, but Glasner only won a single game without Olise. The job of a football manager these days is to get the best out of his players and playing a structure that doesn't suite the mediocre quality we have and playing people out of position leads to the product we now have on the pitch.

Clearly the majority of the players out there are not "believers" in the system, or they just can't play it. Having watched some of the other games on the TV this weekend, it shows me that we are really poor. Parish and Co have been sailing close to the wind for some time now with their low player investment model. The academy is not going to bail us /them out. Looking at the teams around us, we have the worst squad quality, along with Southampton. The overall competitive player quality in the league has finally overtaken our mid-table strategy. I fear January recruitment (which will be another buy/loan cheap attempt) will not solve a systemic recruitment issue which is finally catching up with CPFC.
 
I've been looking at our squad to try and make an objective analysis as to how good it really is.

We have 3 players in Guehi, Wharton and Eze who are potentially top 6 players and should not be in a relegation threatened team.
You could have made a case to add Doucoure after his first season, but time will tell if he can recover his form to that level.

We have three players in Chaloboah, Sarr and Nketiah who have hit their mid twenties and have never produced form over a sustained period at Premier League level.
Before joining Palace there have been flashes of what they could be, but no more than that.
Hence they could be considered something of a gamble.

We have a striker in Mateta who in a number of seasons with the club has had just one very good sustained spell which is still fresh in the mind.
In fact this time last year there were people on here offering to drive him out of the club.
The hope is that the good spell will continue, but nobody can say for sure.

We have players like Mitchell, Hughes , Lerma and Richards that have demonstrated that they can play at mid and lower table level, but no more than that.

Munoz looks capable, but possibly only in a specific role within the current formation.
Would he be good enough defensively as a right back in a conventional back 4 if we moved to that formation?

We then have Kamada and Franca who for a variety of reasons have made little or no impact, and solid professionals like Ward and Schlupp who are realistically not capable of playing at Premier League level anymore.

In conclusion our squad looks unbalanced and not as good as we may think.
It's still better that other clubs in the bottom 7, but not if it isn't functioning properly.
 
PatrickA said:
I've been looking at our squad to try and make an objective analysis as to how good it really is.

We have 3 players in Guehi, Wharton and Eze who are potentially top 6 players and should not be in a relegation threatened team.
You could have made a case to add Doucoure after his first season, but time will tell if he can recover his form to that level.

We have three players in Chaloboah, Sarr and Nketiah who have hit their mid twenties and have never produced form over a sustained period at Premier League level.
Before joining Palace there have been flashes of what they could be, but no more than that.
Hence they could be considered something of a gamble.

We have a striker in Mateta who in a number of seasons with the club has had just one very good sustained spell which is still fresh in the mind.
In fact this time last year there were people on here offering to drive him out of the club.
The hope is that the good spell will continue, but nobody can say for sure.

We have players like Mitchell, Hughes , Lerma and Richards that have demonstrated that they can play at mid and lower table level, but no more than that.

Munoz looks capable, but possibly only in a specific role within the current formation.
Would he be good enough defensively as a right back in a conventional back 4 if we moved to that formation?

We then have Kamada and Franca who for a variety of reasons have made little or no impact, and solid professionals like Ward and Schlupp who are realistically not capable of playing at Premier League level anymore.

In conclusion our squad looks unbalanced and not as good as we may think.
It's still better that other clubs in the bottom 7, but not if it isn't functioning properly.
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Hear hear.

Your "Objective analysis" has in the main gained my seal of approval.
Sadly the acquisitions in the summer have made little impact and Wharton's injury woes have not helped the cause.

Apropos Glasner, there were no issues with him after the Tottenham victory and the draw at Wolves. An under-strength squad against Fulham with the inevitable defeat and the narrative has changed.
 
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If Glasner continues his "I'll play this formation no matter what"? we will not win a game before Christmas, the man is a complete Buffoon, with ego to match, i am right, iam right, iam right, its Vieira all over again but worse, Sack him NOW, Lanzo knows best 😎
 
PatrickA said:
I've been looking at our squad to try and make an objective analysis as to how good it really is.

We have 3 players in Guehi, Wharton and Eze who are potentially top 6 players and should not be in a relegation threatened team.
You could have made a case to add Doucoure after his first season, but time will tell if he can recover his form to that level.

We have three players in Chaloboah, Sarr and Nketiah who have hit their mid twenties and have never produced form over a sustained period at Premier League level.
Before joining Palace there have been flashes of what they could be, but no more than that.
Hence they could be considered something of a gamble.

We have a striker in Mateta who in a number of seasons with the club has had just one very good sustained spell which is still fresh in the mind.
In fact this time last year there were people on here offering to drive him out of the club.
The hope is that the good spell will continue, but nobody can say for sure.

We have players like Mitchell, Hughes , Lerma and Richards that have demonstrated that they can play at mid and lower table level, but no more than that.

Munoz looks capable, but possibly only in a specific role within the current formation.
Would he be good enough defensively as a right back in a conventional back 4 if we moved to that formation?

We then have Kamada and Franca who for a variety of reasons have made little or no impact, and solid professionals like Ward and Schlupp who are realistically not capable of playing at Premier League level anymore.

In conclusion our squad looks unbalanced and not as good as we may think.
It's still better that other clubs in the bottom 7, but not if it isn't functioning properly.
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I guess a counter to that is that in his time with us almost all our victories and indeed positive performances have come when one player was on the pitch. Without that player (who is some player to be fair) his record with us is abysmal
 
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