Is Glasner the problem?

[dreamwaverider]

The Palace heartbeat was fully restored yesterday. Glasner called it right. Wharton played a big part in a team that was really back on song. Kamada has taken a lot of flack on here and based on yesterday's team performance, I can see why. However, he came off the bench late and got stuck in. Personally I feel he is better kept on the bench for the time being, I also hope the medics have got it wrong re Wharton. If the kid does need an op, I am hoping any of Doucoure, Lerma, Hughes, Schlupp and that kid at Forest start as our midfielders until he is back. Keep Kamada on the bench. (Although I would have preferred Schluppie as our late sub. Remember Fulham?)

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

Glasner is a one trick pony, but it is a good trick if everyone is playing in the right position, Sarr and Kamada are wasted money, I assumed when we bought Nketiah he would play upfront with Mateta, but no, we needed a left footed attacker, so all the aforementioned players are a waste of money, we would have been better off keeping JRS and Edouard, and spent all of them 3 on one player

 

[PatrickA]

Glasner is a one trick pony, but it is a good trick if everyone is playing in the right position, Sarr and Kamada are wasted money, I assumed when we bought Nketiah he would play upfront with Mateta, but no, we needed a left footed attacker, so all the aforementioned players are a waste of money, we would have been better off keeping JRS and Edouard, and spent all of them 3 on one player

You raise some interesting points and it’s difficult to see how Nketiah fits in if JPM takes the central role .
I doubt he joined expecting to be on the bench as an understudy to the main striker.
That’s an expensive understudy by Palace’s standards.
Similarly Kamada seems to be behind our other central midfielders and doesn’t appear suited to a front 3 role.
I saw a story that the club will spend in January and I think we may need to look at adding another central midfielder.
We are picking up a lot of injuries there and Hughes is a potential suspension waiting to happen.
If Lerma’s hamstring keeps him out and Doucoure isn’t ready for the next few games we’re down to a not fully fit Wharton and Hughes as our only options.
Yes, we could use Kamada, Chaloboah or Schlupp in central midfield , but none look to be ideal options .

 

[ASCPFC]

I started thinking about the game today and it was basically hard fought and not entirely convincing. It reminded me of the times we would tough out wins against good sides under Roy, frankly. It's not sustainable to have to work that hard for every win we get this season.
The tactics were better, as pretty much everyone has said, because the players were in more natural positions. The question remains is how could pretty much every fan and every pundit see that but Glasner couldn't? What's he going to do next - go back to Nketiah and Kamada? I was thinking he probably should do for the cup game - which now looks a bit of a game too far with our current injuries.
Also, consider the squad. Who covers Eze when he's injured? Who covers Mitchell? It's paper thin and an accident waiting to happen. I'd posit that we need to see more of Agbinone and bring back Rak-Sakyi in January. We also need to try out Umeh but not sure what his situation is.
We got one win but our squad situation makes the whole thing pretty precarious. It's crazy that Spurs can bring on Richarlison and we bring on Schlupp.

 

[eagleman13]

I started thinking about the game today and it was basically hard fought and not entirely convincing. It reminded me of the times we would tough out wins against good sides under Roy, frankly. It's not sustainable to have to work that hard for every win we get this season.
The tactics were better, as pretty much everyone has said, because the players were in more natural positions. The question remains is how could pretty much every fan and every pundit see that but Glasner couldn't? What's he going to do next - go back to Nketiah and Kamada? I was thinking he probably should do for the cup game - which now looks a bit of a game too far with our current injuries.
Also, consider the squad. Who covers Eze when he's injured? Who covers Mitchell? It's paper thin and an accident waiting to happen. I'd posit that we need to see more of Agbinone and bring back Rak-Sakyi in January. We also need to try out Umeh but not sure what his situation is.
We got one win but our squad situation makes the whole thing pretty precarious. It's crazy that Spurs can bring on Richarlison and we bring on Schlupp.

Umeh played Fri night for the U21's in their 0-2 victory away to Soton.

 

[NEILLO]

My hope is that having made some of the changes that some of us on here have been clamouring for, OG has a better idea of how best to use the players he has.

Examples being the reshuffle in the back three and the introduction of Sarr to play wide.

I've tried to see things from his point of view in terms of Kamada. A player he trusts and has worked successfully with in the past. That's why he is persisting with him whereas I have already written him off - I'll be happy to be proven wrong.

As for Nketieh, we all know that like Sarr, Dougie has had the hots for him for a few years now. Eddie has not got off to a good start, but it's a long season and we have to hope he can make a contribution in time. I for one don't hold Glasner accountable for signing him. Given the fee paid for him and also possibly Mateta's apparent contract issues, he's had to find a way to make the transfer work.

 

[PatrickA]

My hope is that having made some of the changes that some of us on here have been clamouring for, OG has a better idea of how best to use the players he has.

Examples being the reshuffle in the back three and the introduction of Sarr to play wide.

I've tried to see things from his point of view in terms of Kamada. A player he trusts and has worked successfully with in the past. That's why he is persisting with him whereas I have already written him off - I'll be happy to be proven wrong.

As for Nketieh, we all know that like Sarr, Dougie has had the hots for him for a few years now. Eddie has not got off to a good start, but it's a long season and we have to hope he can make a contribution in time. I for one don't hold Glasner accountable for signing him. Given the fee paid for him and also possibly Mateta's apparent contract issues, he's had to find a way to make the transfer work.

That's a good point about Mateta's contractual isses which I had forgotten about.
The only thing is that even if we decided to accept an offer for Mateta in January (e.g if he wouldn't sign a new contact) would Nketiah even be a ready made replacement?
Nketiah is a tidy mobile player with sharp movement, but he does not offer physical presence or really battle central defenders.
In some ways he just looks like a better version of Edouard.
If Mateta was to leave we may have to look at adding a more physical type of striker rather than just counting on Nketiah.

 

[silvertop]

Glasner is a one trick pony, but it is a good trick if everyone is playing in the right position, Sarr and Kamada are wasted money, I assumed when we bought Nketiah he would play upfront with Mateta, but no, we needed a left footed attacker, so all the aforementioned players are a waste of money, we would have been better off keeping JRS and Edouard, and spent all of them 3 on one player

Who would immediately tear their ACL in training.

Remember who you support!

 

[MrRobbo]

My hope is that having made some of the changes that some of us on here have been clamouring for, OG has a better idea of how best to use the players he has.

Examples being the reshuffle in the back three and the introduction of Sarr to play wide.

I've tried to see things from his point of view in terms of Kamada. A player he trusts and has worked successfully with in the past. That's why he is persisting with him whereas I have already written him off - I'll be happy to be proven wrong.

As for Nketieh, we all know that like Sarr, Dougie has had the hots for him for a few years now. Eddie has not got off to a good start, but it's a long season and we have to hope he can make a contribution in time. I for one don't hold Glasner accountable for signing him. Given the fee paid for him and also possibly Mateta's apparent contract issues, he's had to find a way to make the transfer work.

Its always going to be a complex one, and I suspect a mixture of all the points you made.

I always viewed Nketieh as an Oe upgrade, vs a Olise replacement. They have tried to get him in the team, but ultimately, JMP is better up front and Sarr wide. Kamada is good technically, but maybe in the short term at least we need a bit more physicality.

Injury aside, I cant see any way that this team doesn't start vs wolves. Villa midweek is a bit of a pain

 

[silvertop]

I started thinking about the game today and it was basically hard fought and not entirely convincing. It reminded me of the times we would tough out wins against good sides under Roy, frankly. It's not sustainable to have to work that hard for every win we get this season.
The tactics were better, as pretty much everyone has said, because the players were in more natural positions. The question remains is how could pretty much every fan and every pundit see that but Glasner couldn't? What's he going to do next - go back to Nketiah and Kamada? I was thinking he probably should do for the cup game - which now looks a bit of a game too far with our current injuries.
Also, consider the squad. Who covers Eze when he's injured? Who covers Mitchell? It's paper thin and an accident waiting to happen. I'd posit that we need to see more of Agbinone and bring back Rak-Sakyi in January. We also need to try out Umeh but not sure what his situation is.
We got one win but our squad situation makes the whole thing pretty precarious. It's crazy that Spurs can bring on Richarlison and we bring on Schlupp.

We were playing Spurs!

Agree your point on the weakness of the squad in certain areas.

 

[silvertop]

That's a good point about Mateta's contractual isses which I had forgotten about.
The only thing is that even if we decided to accept an offer for Mateta in January (e.g if he wouldn't sign a new contact) would Nketiah even be a ready made replacement?
Nketiah is a tidy mobile player with sharp movement, but he does not offer physical presence or really battle central defenders.
In some ways he just looks like a better version of Edouard.
If Mateta was to leave we may have to look at adding a more physical type of striker rather than just counting on Nketiah.

Yesterday JPM scored and then kicked the corner flag.

Just saying.

 

[PatrickA]

Yesterday JPM scored and then kicked the corner flag.

Just saying.

Ah - he must be staying then....

 

[Canterbury Palace]

I started thinking about the game today and it was basically hard fought and not entirely convincing. It reminded me of the times we would tough out wins against good sides under Roy, frankly. It's not sustainable to have to work that hard for every win we get this season.
The tactics were better, as pretty much everyone has said, because the players were in more natural positions. The question remains is how could pretty much every fan and every pundit see that but Glasner couldn't? What's he going to do next - go back to Nketiah and Kamada? I was thinking he probably should do for the cup game - which now looks a bit of a game too far with our current injuries.
Also, consider the squad. Who covers Eze when he's injured? Who covers Mitchell? It's paper thin and an accident waiting to happen. I'd posit that we need to see more of Agbinone and bring back Rak-Sakyi in January. We also need to try out Umeh but not sure what his situation is.
We got one win but our squad situation makes the whole thing pretty precarious. It's crazy that Spurs can bring on Richarlison and we bring on Schlupp.

Unfair I'd say.

Under Roy we would have sat back and soaked up pressure from the first minute. Our wins against big sides came from counter attacking goals, normally Zaha, and then we'd just hang on for our lives.

Yesterday we dominated the game and even Spurs fans are saying that they deserved nothing. We pressed them high up the pitch, won the ball back, never let them progress and if anything we were wasteful and should have scored two or three.

As a fan, the difference between Glasner and Roy can be felt when leading after 80 minutes. I can't say I was ever particularly nervous yesterday, we felt comfortable. Under Roy having a late lead was utterly stressful and at the final whistle the feeling was more relief than joy.

 

[silvertop]

Ah - he must be staying then....

No further evidence required.

 

[Palacesince64]

Ah - he must be staying then....

OG made a comment the other day about having to play Nketiah because of his fee. Sounded fed up at the time. I wonder if he’s told Parish that he’s going with JP and they’d better sort out his contract.

 

[ASCPFC]

OG made a comment the other day about having to play Nketiah because of his fee. Sounded fed up at the time. I wonder if he’s told Parish that he’s going with JP and they’d better sort out his contract.

We have a one year extension clause that is our option apparently.

 

[NEILLO]

That's a good point about Mateta's contractual isses which I had forgotten about.
The only thing is that even if we decided to accept an offer for Mateta in January (e.g if he wouldn't sign a new contact) would Nketiah even be a ready made replacement?
Nketiah is a tidy mobile player with sharp movement, but he does not offer physical presence or really battle central defenders.
In some ways he just looks like a better version of Edouard.
If Mateta was to leave we may have to look at adding a more physical type of striker rather than just counting on Nketiah.

I don't see Eddie as a replacement for Mateta and I'm not sure he was signed for that reason. But Palace can't spend £25m on a squad player hence my writing that Glasner somehow has to make the transfer work.

 

[Eagle-Trucker]

Glasner is a one trick pony, but it is a good trick if everyone is playing in the right position, Sarr and Kamada are wasted money, I assumed when we bought Nketiah he would play upfront with Mateta, but no, we needed a left footed attacker, so all the aforementioned players are a waste of money, we would have been better off keeping JRS and Edouard, and spent all of them 3 on one player

Ineed , As soon as Nketiah came on yesterday Matetas form seemed drop , to me it looked like he had a better partnership with Sarr , JRS should have been tested in the role or sold and a left footed attacker who cuts in should have been bought if they didnt think he was up to it . Saw a report on newsnow today that Palace are prepared to spend money on an attacking right sided winger and left back in January, but probably rehashed shite from the last window .

 

[doombear]

Ineed , As soon as Nketiah came on yesterday Matetas form seemed drop , to me it looked like he had a better partnership with Sarr , JRS should have been tested in the role or sold and a left footed attacker who cuts in should have been bought if they didnt think he was up to it . Saw a report on newsnow today that Palace are prepared to spend money on an attacking right sided winger and left back in January, but probably rehashed shite from the last window .

I saw it more as a case of JPM being knackered after his impressive pressing for the best part of an hour. Let's not forget that JP turned up for his first training session this season just FIVE DAYS after playing in that Olympic football final. Although he had a break in the early part of the close season he hasn't had any pre-season with us and his tiredness showed in earlier games IMO.

Having said that, I'm still waiting for Nketiah to show what he has to offer. I expect him to start against Villa and to score, but I hope we'll see JPM back up front next Saturday.

 

[est1905]

Exactly, had he not researched us at all?

I presume they told him He can have what we have available but we have to stay within FFP and our turnover is not on the same level as half of the division's clubs.

Brian Clough struck a deal with Forest when he first took that job. It was simplified as this... I'll bring you a bit of success (which boosts the coffers) and you give me more money so I can build on that success. Then when your coffers are boosted further you need to be prepared to give me more to spend. And so on. Clough kept his word and got Forest up the table. The Forest Board kept their word and funded him within the boundaries of what they could afford. As we all know the end result was the English title and the European Cup (twice).
I'm not suggesting the same for Palace here in Glasner's situation but I would not be surprised if he took the job on a similar handshake agreement.