Is Glasner the problem?

[PatrickA]

I am trying to think of managers who actually adjust their tactics in any significant way on a regular basis? Is it just that teams eventually find out how to counter them? Spurs, for example, stormed the league at the start of last season before teams learned how to exploit it. Spurs then sign more players that fit the Ange system and they're going strong again. He never changed his tactics even when they were struggling. Glasner's comments in the presser that he respected AP sticking to his tactics and principles is probably a message that we're not going to see any major overhaul in tactics.

I agree it's unlikely we'll see any major overhaul of tactics.
In terms of managers who have changed approach Vieira went from one 6 and two 8s in midfield to two 6s and one 8.
Sadly this didn't work in making us either more solid defensively or more potent offensively.
Eventually he left with a whimper.

We're led to believe that Glasner is addressing our current scoring malaise by addressing this in training, as opposed to making a wholesale change of system.
Taking into account that Chris Wood alone has scored more goals this season than our team put together, our attacking attempts clearly need improvement.

However, it's unlikely that e g Mitchell will suddenly start to hit a stream of inviting crosses or that, in the absence of Wharton, the midfield will be able to provide the penetrating forward passes that the strikers need.

 

[Jacey]

Three more defeats in a row surely means Glasner, goes!!

 

[ASCPFC]

Three more defeats in a row surely means Glasner, goes!!

I think not beating Wolves will be the nail in the coffin. I'm expecting him to walk. He doesn't seem like a stayer.

 

[Davepalace707]

I think not beating Wolves will be the nail in the coffin. I'm expecting him to walk. He doesn't seem like a stayer.

Agreed. And he comes across so negative atm compared to last season. In fact there is a malaise across the whole club - manager, the players, the fans. Can’t see how this can be lifted without a fundamental change. I thought I’d try and cheer myself by watching the cricket. That’s even worse.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

The Guy is becoming an embarrassment, saying Palace only had 7 goals at this time even with Olise, he didnt play for the first 11 games !!, He also said that we cant expect Mateta to beat his goal tally of last year, he hasnt been playing !!
“I can tell you he will start”, Glasner said of Mateta. “He will start against Tottenham.”
Asked why Mateta, like many of his team-mates, is struggling in front of goal this season, Glasner replied: “Many different reasons again. It was his highest-scoring [campaign] ever, by far [last season]. Then, are we expecting it is time for the next record? It is not too easy.
Glasner said: “You know how many goals Crystal Palace scored last season in the first eight games? Seven. This year, it is five. And Michael Olise was here and Jordan Ayew was here. The year before, after 25 games Crystal Palace had 22 goals, and they had Wilfried Zaha here.
“So, Crystal Palace were not the goalscoring machine of the Premier League. They never have been. What happened the last seven or eight games [of last season] was extraordinary for Crystal Palace.

“The amount of goals at the end of the season — I think it was 57 — was the highest ever. So now expecting the highest ever, it’s not fair. It’s not fair to the players, it’s not fair to Crystal Palace.

“We lost this confidence. But we have more chances at the end of last season. I always look at the whole picture, and the whole picture doesn’t concern me that much.” From the Evening Standard

Nobody expects us to beat any records, Just play the tactics that fit the players, he has lost the plot

 

[Davepalace707]

The Guy is becoming an embarrassment, saying Palace only had 7 goals at this time even with Olise, he didnt play for the first 11 games !!, He also said that we cant expect Mateta to beat his goal tally of last year, he hasnt been playing !!
“I can tell you he will start”, Glasner said of Mateta. “He will start against Tottenham.”
Asked why Mateta, like many of his team-mates, is struggling in front of goal

this season, Glasner replied: “Many different reasons again. It was his highest-scoring [campaign] ever, by far [last season]. Then, are we expecting it is time for the next record? It is not too easy.
Glasner said: “You know how many goals Crystal Palace scored last season in the first eight games? Seven. This year, it is five. And Michael Olise was here and Jordan Ayew was here. The year before, after 25 games Crystal Palace had 22 goals, and they had Wilfried Zaha here.
“So, Crystal Palace were not the goalscoring machine of the Premier League. They never have been. What happened the last seven or eight games [of last season] was extraordinary for Crystal Palace.

“The amount of goals at the end of the season — I think it was 57 — was the highest ever. So now expecting the highest ever, it’s not fair. It’s not fair to the players, it’s not fair to Crystal Palace.

“We lost this confidence. But we have more chances at the end of last season. I always look at the whole picture, and the whole picture doesn’t concern me that much.” From the Evening Standard

Nobody expects us to beat any records, Just play the tactics that fit the players, he has lost the plot

As he likes comparisons - here’s another one - this is our equal worst start in our current spell in the Prem. Using his logic then presumably it’s inevitable as we’re just crap and expecting us to score goals is just unrealistic and unfair on him and the players. Really inspiring motivational stuff.

 

[pssguy]

Precisely.

I actually suggested Man Utd's Amad Diallo who is normally deployed out on the right.His trademark move is a drop of the shoulder, cutting in from the right and shooting into the top corner with his left foot.In style he resembles Olise.

No way United were letting him go. He was one of the few bright sparks for them last year

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

I am trying to think of managers who actually adjust their tactics in any significant way on a regular basis? Is it just that teams eventually find out how to counter them? Spurs, for example, stormed the league at the start of last season before teams learned how to exploit it. Spurs then sign more players that fit the Ange system and they're going strong again. He never changed his tactics even when they were struggling. Glasner's comments in the presser that he respected AP sticking to his tactics and principles is probably a message that we're not going to see any major overhaul in tactics.

Dyche has in the past played 442, 4411, 4141 and is currently playing 4231

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

Mbeumo and Madueke were out of range. Neto signed for Chelsea for a fee which could rise to nigh on £55 Mill.
Players of such quality have no interest in joining clubs of our stature.We have to be realistic.

Neto was Bought to replace Madueke, wasn't in the team, played and got a hat trick, would have got him for 35m in the summer, same with Mbeumo, 40m would have got him, Brentford would sell their corner flags if they could. the summer was the time to attract players after our run, but we didn't.

 

[ex hibitionist]

I think not beating Wolves will be the nail in the coffin. I'm expecting him to walk. He doesn't seem like a stayer.

Wolves are finding their form, a point at their place would be a good result for most teams atm, even City struggled there, we need a point from the spuds but we must beat Fulham, and you never know our ex gooner may find his shooting boots v his old rivals tomorrow, even though it seems he'll have to come off the bench with JP starting. I don't think Ollie's lost the plot he's just saying expectations were unreasonably high - the combination of injuries to our two key midfielders and the failure to find the right attacking combination is killing us, he can be blamed for the former but not the latter, and people are right to say it might be right to revert to a back four. I think he'll struggle to keep his job if we get less than four points from the next three games, but I hope he gets through this, and even if Wharton has to have an op getting Doucoure back will improve us significantly, he and Lerma are an excellent pairing in midfield. I even think Kamada might come good - a sort of free role in front of two defensive midfielders where he can use his positional sense to feed the front three looks feasible, there were signs of that in the Forest game. Temporary ruts always feel permanent till you're out of them. Keep the faith.

 

[ex hibitionist]

Wolves are finding their form, a point at their place would be a good result for most teams atm, even City struggled there, we need a point from the spuds but we must beat Fulham, and you never know our ex gooner may find his shooting boots v his old rivals tomorrow, even though it seems he'll have to come off the bench with JP starting. I don't think Ollie's lost the plot he's just saying expectations were unreasonably high - the combination of injuries to our two key midfielders and the failure to find the right attacking combination is killing us, he can be blamed for the former but not the latter, and people are right to say it might be right to revert to a back four. I think he'll struggle to keep his job if we get less than four points from the next three games, but I hope he gets through this, and even if Wharton has to have an op getting Doucoure back will improve us significantly, he and Lerma are an excellent pairing in midfield. I even think Kamada might come good - a sort of free role in front of two defensive midfielders where he can use his positional sense to feed the front three looks feasible, there were signs of that in the Forest game. Temporary ruts always feel permanent till you're out of them. Keep the faith.

got that the wrong way round b4 someone picks me up on it

 

[Painter]

We will be asking for trouble if we play a 2 man central midfield against Spurs.
They play a classic 433 system with Bissouma, Kuleseski and probably either Maddison or Sarr in midfield.
We need to match them up in midfield.
Spurs are adept at attacking down both flanks with both full backs supporting their wide players.
They continually switch the play in an attempt to create overloads down the sides.
Our full backs will largely be on defensive duty.
They do leave gaps behind when their full backs push forward, hoping the pace of Van den Berg will compensate for the spaces left.
Possibly an area to exploit, but none of our forward players are blessed with great pace other than Sarr and it's by no means certain that he will start.

Glasner doesnt appear to watch opponents, as we are regularily outnumbered in midfield 3 to 2.

 

[PatrickA]

The embargoed section of Glasner’s press conference is released today.

He talks of the need of the summer transfer window being better and makes an unfavourable comparison in the high net spend of our competition (e.g West Ham and Brighton )whereas we ‘saved £20million.’
He doesn’t sound happy about making ‘four deadline day signings’ after the season started making settling in process and training more difficult.
He frames his words in terms of making a realistic appraisal, but it’s difficult to avoid the conclusion that he feels he hasn’t been properly supported.

Results will largely determine the future, but it doesn’t sound like all parties are singing from the same hymn sheet.
I’d be surprised if he’s still manager next season even if we pick up some form this season.

 

[slubglurge]

I think he is talking himself out of a job. Now publicly criticising the transfer window and in Nketiah and Sarr two players that he probably didnt want hence his earlier comment. "We've spent 30m on a player who wont be expected to sit on the bench". He seems unhappy. This is so Palace, get high hopes then balls it up

 

[kevlee]

A couple of non palace mates reckon he could go after today’s more than likely defeat.
It reeks of a lack of leadership and direction and you then get the downward spiral of lack of confidence.
Dead man shoes im afraid.

 

[park the bus]

Last season the Palace faithful were happy with Glasner and the turn around in style, and there were strong reasons to be positive about this season. Alas, in true Palace style, just when we had a squad that looked capable of a decent season with a probability of challenging for a top 8 finish, it all goes pear shaped - the best defensive player gone, the best offensive player off to bigger things, the hardest worker and most under rated player released, and a rash of mediocre new signings brought in.
Notwithstanding injuries to key players like Doucoure and Wharton, this is a much weakened side to that which finished on a high last season.
I wouldn't blame Glasner so much, he lost the players that made his style a distinct possibility, but this is Palace, and he'll not be the first manager to be "Parished". I expect the merry-go-round to continue with Glasner getting the boot and some new sucker announced in due course.

 

[Willo]

Last season the Palace faithful were happy with Glasner and the turn around in style, and there were strong reasons to be positive about this season. Alas, in true Palace style, just when we had a squad that looked capable of a decent season with a probability of challenging for a top 8 finish, it all goes pear shaped - the best defensive player gone, the best offensive player off to bigger things, the hardest worker and most under rated player released, and a rash of mediocre new signings brought in.
Notwithstanding injuries to key players like Doucoure and Wharton, this is a much weakened side to that which finished on a high last season.
I wouldn't blame Glasner so much, he lost the players that made his style a distinct possibility, but this is Palace, and he'll not be the first manager to be "Parished". I expect the merry-go-round to continue with Glasner getting the boot and some new sucker announced in due course.

In terms of pure defending Andersen had his limitations but he performed an effective partnership with Guehi and his passing out from the back was effective and an asset to the team.
Wharton, an important cog in the well-oiled wheel has his injury woes and his quality has been missed.
Apropos "New signings", none thus far, have made a truly positive impact although Lacroix has performed with greater assurance of late.

 

[Sansbup]

Criticising your employer rarely works out well. Oh dear. Here we go again....

 

[Willo]

Criticising your employer rarely works out well. Oh dear. Here we go again....

It is the model of possibility that his words have been misinterpreted and conclusions drawn which are not wholly accurate.

 

[Sansbup]

It is the model of possibility that his words have been misinterpreted and conclusions drawn which are not wholly accurate.

Of course. I hope that's the case. And I hope our form improves. But neither thing may actually be the case....