Immigration

[Wisbech Eagle]

So it's a never ending situation.

Change generally is.

It’s the only real constant. Apart from love and hate.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Change generally is.

It’s the only real constant. Apart from love and hate.

But this situation is a constant. The antithesis of change.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

No cultural differences then and retirees aren't taking any jobs.

Plenty of cultural differences. I am not into Cornish Wrestling although I have seen it but I do enjoy the Shanty Festival.

Some retirees take jobs that others don’t want. Like working on the tills in supermarkets or collecting trolleys for a few hours. Others do voluntarily work for expenses only, driving people to hospital appointments.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

But this situation is a constant. The antithesis of change.

It’s our society which is constantly undergoing change. That situation is constant. The outcome isn’t.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Plenty of cultural differences. I am not into Cornish Wrestling although I have seen it but I do enjoy the Shanty Festival.

Some retirees take jobs that others don’t want. Like working on the tills in supermarkets or collecting trolleys for a few hours. Others do voluntarily work for expenses only, driving people to hospital appointments.

These are still people who grew up in the same culture (wrestling and sea shanties excepted), speaking the same language, with shared values and histories and yet the Cornish still regard them as incomers. Probably not because they've taken all the trolley collection jobs.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

What I revealed were the statistics on employment between born British and immigrants, as you seem obsessed with employment for a white there. Then after I revealed easy to find statistics you misinformed by suggesting this figure was the result of 'many' immigrants being on visitor visas, when those on them aren't normally even considered to be immigrants.

Then you say that providing 'context' by waffling about outcomes that don't even support your original contention of 'many' that this was not misinformation.

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Those immigrants who can work are placed onto work visas or student visas would obviously be shown in the original statistics via the #275 post. As correctly and originally stated they are less productive for the country than those native born....especially non Europeans who, as a collective, are proven to take out more economically than they contribute.

As for your preference for interactions with Teddy, that's cool, I don't have his patience and tact so don't worry....my blood pressure will limit our interactions.

That though is not misinformation is it? It’s pointing out the facts. I mentioned those on visitor visas because so many see anyone not born here as an immigrant. I went on to mention those on family visas being unable to work, which would distort the data. You though ignore them, preferring to concentrate on pointing out that visitors are not immigrants. Which was never suggested anyway.

You trotted out “statistics” in your #275 post without referencing where they came from. It seems they aren’t true! What a surprise that is!

“In the fourth quarter of 2024, approximately 81.9 percent of people born in the European Union but living in the UK were employed, compared with 74.7 percent for UK nationals and 74.4 percent for people outside the EU and UK.”

That comes from here. I think it can be regarded as reliable:-

UK immigrant employment rate 2024 | Statista

In the fourth quarter of 2024, approximately 81.9 percent of people born in the European Union but living in the UK were employed, compared with 74.7 percent for UK nationals and 74.4 percent for people outside the EU and UK.

www.statista.com

 

[Teddy Eagle]

It’s our society which is constantly undergoing change. That situation is constant. The outcome isn’t.

Some sections of our society have changed more than others and they're the places with the most problems.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

These are still people who grew up in the same culture (wrestling and sea shanties excepted), speaking the same language, with shared values and histories and yet the Cornish still regard them as incomers. Probably not because they've taken all the trolley collection jobs.

We have been here before! You had an unfortunate experience here which was very unusual.

Most of the Cornish born are very proud of their culture and heritage but they are also very welcoming to everyone who chooses to live amongst them. They know we bring money and work. So long as we show respect everything is fine. There are no gaps. My best mate is locally born. My bowling group of friends is tight knit and comprised of Cornish and incomers, from all over the UK. Many of whom have worked overseas before retiring to the UK and choosing Cornwall as their home. By chance we have more Palace supporters at the club (5) than for any other PL team. I was playing bowls earlier today, in the heavy rain and wind, with one.

You trying telling a Cornishman he is English though and you will get a raised eyebrow and a lecture. Before he buys you a pint.

 

[Stirlingsays]

That though is not misinformation is it? It’s pointing out the facts. I mentioned those on visitor visas because so many see anyone not born here as an immigrant. I went on to mention those on family visas being unable to work, which would distort the data. You though ignore them, preferring to concentrate on pointing out that visitors are not immigrants. Which was never suggested anyway.

You trotted out “statistics” in your #275 post without referencing where they came from. It seems they aren’t true! What a surprise that is!

“In the fourth quarter of 2024, approximately 81.9 percent of people born in the European Union but living in the UK were employed, compared with 74.7 percent for UK nationals and 74.4 percent for people outside the EU and UK.”

That comes from here. I think it can be regarded as reliable:-

UK immigrant employment rate 2024 | Statista

In the fourth quarter of 2024, approximately 81.9 percent of people born in the European Union but living in the UK were employed, compared with 74.7 percent for UK nationals and 74.4 percent for people outside the EU and UK.

www.statista.com

The statistics I gave you came via Copilot:

Migrants in the UK Labour Market: An Overview - Migration Observatory

This briefing looks at the jobs migrant workers do, their role in the UK labour market and their labour market integration.

migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk

Migration and the labour market, England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

Differing labour market participation between migrant populations and non-migrants, including a look at the type of occupations and industries they work in.

www.ons.gov.uk

 

[Teddy Eagle]

We have been here before! You had an unfortunate experience here which was very unusual.

Most of the Cornish born are very proud of their culture and heritage but they are also very welcoming to everyone who chooses to live amongst them. They know we bring money and work. So long as we show respect everything is fine. There are no gaps. My best mate is locally born. My bowling group of friends is tight knit and comprised of Cornish and incomers, from all over the UK. Many of whom have worked overseas before retiring to the UK and choosing Cornwall as their home. By chance we have more Palace supporters at the club (5) than for any other PL team. I was playing bowls earlier today, in the heavy rain and wind, with one.

You trying telling a Cornishman he is English though and you will get a raised eyebrow and a lecture. Before he buys you a pint.

Hopefully this disavowal of Englishness precludes him voting in national elections then.

 

[Spiderman]

I am at present in Cornwall, have been for last few days. I have seen very few people of an ethnic background, either walking around or working. TBF I haven’t visited a hospital ! I am going to Truro today, so will report back.
To say, Cornwall is on a par with many other places in the UK for residents of ethnic background is, imo, stretching it a bit.
Everyone I have encountered have been polite and obviously without tourism it would be somewhat of a backwater, so why, certain local groups, are anti tourism is bizarre

 

[georgenorman]

I am at present in Cornwall, have been for last few days. I have seen very few people of an ethnic background, either walking around or working. TBF I haven’t visited a hospital ! I am going to Truro today, so will report back.
To say, Cornwall is on a par with many other places in the UK for residents of ethnic background is, imo, stretching it a bit.
Everyone I have encountered have been polite and obviously without tourism it would be somewhat of a backwater, so why, certain local groups, are anti tourism is bizarre

Be wary of gas appliances.

 

[Badger11]

Hopefully this disavowal of Englishness precludes him voting in national elections then.

Cornwall for the Cornish, we don't want you to visit but can you just post us the money you would spend, also we like the taxpayers money.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Some sections of our society have changed more than others and they're the places with the most problems.

I suspect it was ever thus. Nothing has changed in that! More change brings more challenges which demand more effort.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

The statistics I gave you came via Copilot:

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Migrants in the UK Labour Market: An Overview - Migration Observatory

This briefing looks at the jobs migrant workers do, their role in the UK labour market and their labour market integration.

migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk

Migration and the labour market, England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

Differing labour market participation between migrant populations and non-migrants, including a look at the type of occupations and industries they work in.

www.ons.gov.uk

So you accused me of posting misinformation whilst actually posting misinformation yourself? Something you now blame Copilot for? Maybe you should check sources first!

This is from the “migration observatory” link you now provide:-

“Unemployed migrant workers were less likely to claim unemployment benefits than UK-born workers during 2022 (Figure 5). There are several possible reasons for this pattern:

• Some migrants are not eligible to claim benefits. Most non-EU citizens who are not permanently settled residents—including skilled workers and international students—are ineligible for income-based Jobseekers’ Allowance and Universal Credit, as are EU citizens who moved to the UK after 31 December 2020 and do not have pre-settled or settled status. For more information about which migrants are eligible to claim benefits, see the Migration Observatory briefing, Deprivation and the no recourse to public funds (NRPF) condition.
• Migrant workers eligible to receive unemployment benefits may not understand their entitlements or may be unfamiliar with the process of claiming or visiting job centres.
• Migrants were less likely to be unemployed for long periods. In 2022, 26% of those born in the UK who were unemployed had been so for over a year, compared to 20% of non-EU migrants and 15% of EU migrants.”

Did I detect an apology hiding in your post, masquerading as confusion? There was no confusion at all. It was misinformation, deliberately posted because it supported an incorrect narrative you wanted to promote.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I am at present in Cornwall, have been for last few days. I have seen very few people of an ethnic background, either walking around or working. TBF I haven’t visited a hospital ! I am going to Truro today, so will report back.
To say, Cornwall is on a par with many other places in the UK for residents of ethnic background is, imo, stretching it a bit.
Everyone I have encountered have been polite and obviously without tourism it would be somewhat of a backwater, so why, certain local groups, are anti tourism is bizarre

I am just back from the hospital in Truro where I can assure you I saw many from “an ethnic background”. You won’t see them in the tourist spots. They are too busy working. I was in Truro on Saturday and was struck by how many people who appeared to have a South East Asian heritage were there. I assume, but don’t know, they work in the care sector and were on a day off. Living in Truro it’s very noticeable how the numbers of overseas workers we are now seeing here is increasing. No one has suggested it compares to some other places up country. Only that it’s changing.

You might be surprised at the number of high tech industries who are based here. Nobody just passes through Cornwall though. You come here for a reason. If that means we are a backwater I think we are all very happy about that.

Anti-tourist groups are unknown to me. If they exist then they keep pretty well hidden. There are many concerns about the number of second homes being bought by those from outside the county and only used for a few weeks each year. Whilst locally born youngsters cannot afford them. This is of particular concern in the coastal towns and villages and isn’t unique to Cornwall.

Enjoy your stay.

 

[Rudi Hedman]

AFD party getting stronger in Germany.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Hopefully this disavowal of Englishness precludes him voting in national elections then.

Are the Scots, the Welsh and even the Irish precluded from voting in national elections? News to me!

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Cornwall for the Cornish, we don't want you to visit but can you just post us the money you would spend, also we like the taxpayers money.

They love you to visit and share the beauty. Many jobs depend on it. Come any time. The winter is milder than the rest of the UK, even if wetter. There’s never a time when flowers aren’t blooming, the open beaches in winter are uncrowded and great for walks, with pounding surf and dramatic skies. Spring and Autumn are lovely too, with less people, great food and often great weather. It gets busy in July and August, with lots of children and traffic. Unless you cannot avoid school holidays it’s better to miss then.

No need to spend too much. You will get as big a welcome on a camp site as at a 5 star hotel!

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Are the Scots, the Welsh and even the Irish precluded from voting in national elections? News to me!

Aren't they actually different countries with their own devolved parliaments? Cornwall's overweening self regard notwithstanding it is still just a county.