Immigration

[Wisbech Eagle]

So it's a never ending situation.

Change generally is.

It’s the only real constant. Apart from love and hate.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Change generally is.

It’s the only real constant. Apart from love and hate.

But this situation is a constant. The antithesis of change.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

No cultural differences then and retirees aren't taking any jobs.

Plenty of cultural differences. I am not into Cornish Wrestling although I have seen it but I do enjoy the Shanty Festival.

Some retirees take jobs that others don’t want. Like working on the tills in supermarkets or collecting trolleys for a few hours. Others do voluntarily work for expenses only, driving people to hospital appointments.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

But this situation is a constant. The antithesis of change.

It’s our society which is constantly undergoing change. That situation is constant. The outcome isn’t.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Plenty of cultural differences. I am not into Cornish Wrestling although I have seen it but I do enjoy the Shanty Festival.

Some retirees take jobs that others don’t want. Like working on the tills in supermarkets or collecting trolleys for a few hours. Others do voluntarily work for expenses only, driving people to hospital appointments.

These are still people who grew up in the same culture (wrestling and sea shanties excepted), speaking the same language, with shared values and histories and yet the Cornish still regard them as incomers. Probably not because they've taken all the trolley collection jobs.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

What I revealed were the statistics on employment between born British and immigrants, as you seem obsessed with employment for a white there. Then after I revealed easy to find statistics you misinformed by suggesting this figure was the result of 'many' immigrants being on visitor visas, when those on them aren't normally even considered to be immigrants.

Then you say that providing 'context' by waffling about outcomes that don't even support your original contention of 'many' that this was not misinformation.

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Those immigrants who can work are placed onto work visas or student visas would obviously be shown in the original statistics via the #275 post. As correctly and originally stated they are less productive for the country than those native born....especially non Europeans who, as a collective, are proven to take out more economically than they contribute.

As for your preference for interactions with Teddy, that's cool, I don't have his patience and tact so don't worry....my blood pressure will limit our interactions.

That though is not misinformation is it? It’s pointing out the facts. I mentioned those on visitor visas because so many see anyone not born here as an immigrant. I went on to mention those on family visas being unable to work, which would distort the data. You though ignore them, preferring to concentrate on pointing out that visitors are not immigrants. Which was never suggested anyway.

You trotted out “statistics” in your #275 post without referencing where they came from. It seems they aren’t true! What a surprise that is!

“In the fourth quarter of 2024, approximately 81.9 percent of people born in the European Union but living in the UK were employed, compared with 74.7 percent for UK nationals and 74.4 percent for people outside the EU and UK.”

That comes from here. I think it can be regarded as reliable:-

UK immigrant employment rate 2024 | Statista

In the fourth quarter of 2024, approximately 81.9 percent of people born in the European Union but living in the UK were employed, compared with 74.7 percent for UK nationals and 74.4 percent for people outside the EU and UK.

www.statista.com

 

[Teddy Eagle]

It’s our society which is constantly undergoing change. That situation is constant. The outcome isn’t.

Some sections of our society have changed more than others and they're the places with the most problems.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

These are still people who grew up in the same culture (wrestling and sea shanties excepted), speaking the same language, with shared values and histories and yet the Cornish still regard them as incomers. Probably not because they've taken all the trolley collection jobs.

We have been here before! You had an unfortunate experience here which was very unusual.

Most of the Cornish born are very proud of their culture and heritage but they are also very welcoming to everyone who chooses to live amongst them. They know we bring money and work. So long as we show respect everything is fine. There are no gaps. My best mate is locally born. My bowling group of friends is tight knit and comprised of Cornish and incomers, from all over the UK. Many of whom have worked overseas before retiring to the UK and choosing Cornwall as their home. By chance we have more Palace supporters at the club (5) than for any other PL team. I was playing bowls earlier today, in the heavy rain and wind, with one.

You trying telling a Cornishman he is English though and you will get a raised eyebrow and a lecture. Before he buys you a pint.

 

[Stirlingsays]

That though is not misinformation is it? It’s pointing out the facts. I mentioned those on visitor visas because so many see anyone not born here as an immigrant. I went on to mention those on family visas being unable to work, which would distort the data. You though ignore them, preferring to concentrate on pointing out that visitors are not immigrants. Which was never suggested anyway.

You trotted out “statistics” in your #275 post without referencing where they came from. It seems they aren’t true! What a surprise that is!

“In the fourth quarter of 2024, approximately 81.9 percent of people born in the European Union but living in the UK were employed, compared with 74.7 percent for UK nationals and 74.4 percent for people outside the EU and UK.”

That comes from here. I think it can be regarded as reliable:-

UK immigrant employment rate 2024 | Statista

In the fourth quarter of 2024, approximately 81.9 percent of people born in the European Union but living in the UK were employed, compared with 74.7 percent for UK nationals and 74.4 percent for people outside the EU and UK.

www.statista.com

The statistics I gave you came via Copilot:

Migrants in the UK Labour Market: An Overview - Migration Observatory

This briefing looks at the jobs migrant workers do, their role in the UK labour market and their labour market integration.

migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk

Migration and the labour market, England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

Differing labour market participation between migrant populations and non-migrants, including a look at the type of occupations and industries they work in.

www.ons.gov.uk

 

[Teddy Eagle]

We have been here before! You had an unfortunate experience here which was very unusual.

Most of the Cornish born are very proud of their culture and heritage but they are also very welcoming to everyone who chooses to live amongst them. They know we bring money and work. So long as we show respect everything is fine. There are no gaps. My best mate is locally born. My bowling group of friends is tight knit and comprised of Cornish and incomers, from all over the UK. Many of whom have worked overseas before retiring to the UK and choosing Cornwall as their home. By chance we have more Palace supporters at the club (5) than for any other PL team. I was playing bowls earlier today, in the heavy rain and wind, with one.

You trying telling a Cornishman he is English though and you will get a raised eyebrow and a lecture. Before he buys you a pint.

Hopefully this disavowal of Englishness precludes him voting in national elections then.