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Grooming gangs

Wisbech Eagle said:
We have had several which recognised that the previous strategy had not worked and resulted in the creation of a specialist unit. That hindsight has determined failures does not mean that those responsible for the mistaken tactics did so maliciously. Enquiries into the police officers resulted in only one being disciplined.

What we are now witnessing is a witch-hunt. Not a genuine desire to see justice for the victims. If extensive enquiries have already taken place why on earth use time and resources to do it again? Those resources are better directed to helping detect and bring the actual criminals to justice.
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Of course Officers were not disciplined, they were following orders from on high. Any disciplinary action would have highlighted the appalling lack of action against the perpetrators.The failure to deal with this issue, when first highlighted, was down to not wishing to upset “racial harmony “ that is a fact. Furthermore, trying to put the majority of the blame on the vulnerable girls ( another fact) was reprehensible. If you feel that was the correct course of action, I am surprised
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
During the last few days there has been no focus at all on either the victims or the current efforts to bring the perpetrators to justice. It’s all been smears and the blame game. It’s 100% political.

If the attention was directed at ensuring that all the recommendations of the report into this are fully implemented then it would make some sense. Suggesting we have another enquiry would probably kick that implementation into the long grass and result in a worse situation, helping no one at all. The Chair of the enquiry agrees:-

www.bbc.co.uk

Child sexual abuse inquiry chair Alexis Jay urges government to act

A campaign group led by Prof Alexis Jay also warns against "politicising" sexual violence.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Once again there was no concern for the victims when the focus was on protecting the reputations of those responsible for the investigations.
 
Spiderman said:
Of course Officers were not disciplined, they were following orders from on high. Any disciplinary action would have highlighted the appalling lack of action against the perpetrators.The failure to deal with this issue, when first highlighted, was down to not wishing to upset “racial harmony “ that is a fact. Furthermore, trying to put the majority of the blame on the vulnerable girls ( another fact) was reprehensible. If you feel that was the correct course of action, I am surprised
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Repeating what has already been discredited and abandoned in favour of another approach serves no purpose.

I am not even sure what you suggest is 100% true. That it was felt that the girls were complicit in the activity doesn’t equate to the majority of the blame being put onto them, but that isn’t important. It isn’t the approach now and that’s what really matters. Accepting and rectification has happened. That was the correct course of action.
 
Teddy Eagle said:
Has it's existence been denied?
Your statement was that it didn't ring true because the person concerned is a Starmer supporter and critical of Johnson which makes no sense.
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I am not aware of denial or confirmation.

Is he a “Starmer supporter”?

He has said positive things about some of Starmer’s professional achievements and criticised some of Johnson’s but whether that makes him a supporter isn’t established.

The reported statement seems to tally with what was understood to be the approach at the time, even if expressed in an unfortunate way. Which is why I am suggesting we should see the whole document, plus any others before and after, so the context can be seen and the messaging fully evaluated.
 
Teddy Eagle said:
Once again there was no concern for the victims when the focus was on protecting the reputations of those responsible for the investigations.
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I don’t think that’s true.

The whole point of holding enquiries and determining effective ways of bringing the perpetrators to justice was to avoid them committing more crimes. Providing support for the victims of past crimes falls on other agencies, although seeing an abuser found guilty would also bring some comfort.

There was never a focus on protecting reputations any more than a focus on destroying them. If an enquiry revealed any possible failings by individuals then they were followed up but the point was to find out what went wrong and put it right.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
I don’t think that’s true.

The whole point of holding enquiries and determining effective ways of bringing the perpetrators to justice was to avoid them committing more crimes. Providing support for the victims of past crimes falls on other agencies, although seeing an abuser found guilty would also bring some comfort.

There was never a focus on protecting reputations any more than a focus on destroying them. If an enquiry revealed any possible failings by individuals then they were followed up but the point was to find out what went wrong and put it right.
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When I was at work,several working Parties,enquiries were held. It was very similar to brooming up a turd,you do it for a while and eventually the turd vanishes.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
No one has asked who is alleged to have said it. What was asked was if anyone had seen it. Without sight of the actual phrasing it’s impossible to know whether what has been suggested is true. Either what has been reported was said by Mr Afzal is accurate or whether it was incomplete.

I have just read Nazir Afral’s X account. He has a lot of good things to say about Starmer’s time running the CPS, is very critical of Johnson and outspoken about Musk and Trump. Things don’t ring true.

We already know there was a discredited strategy at that time which saw the victims as willing accomplices in the crimes. That has been recognised and revised, making this current furore a completely pointless exercise in attempted political blackballing.
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These are hundreds of thousands of rapes....God knows the total number of rapes over decades.

This was deliberate government policy enacted down to the entire British Police force.

You pour doubt over Afzal's account, without recognition that this was revealed in 2013 and at no point has an official denial or libel been seen for his comments. All they have done is keep what he said as quiet as possible. So subsequently most people didn't know that this came from the Home Office.

'Discredited strategy'? This isn't a case of revision.....feck political 'blackballing'. I personally also blame the Tories for inaction during office. They blocked real action as well. Proportionality for what occurred is valid, however it must happen. I want to know what excuses someone like May has for example. In my view the civil service need looking at.

For me this doesn't end with even a national inquiry, this is a case of root and branch sackings, trials, stated accountability and clearing out of complicity in the known official policy of ignoring of rapes of vulnerable girls, many of which were underage and where murders took place and fathers were arrested.

No official of real decision making power has been held to public account, no one fired, the system has only sought to protect itself when it had abandoned those in real danger. A tiny few number of people have been allowed to resign, with no admission of culpability and probably on full pension.

These crimes are so obscene that there should be no resting place.
 
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Wisbech Eagle said:
Repeating what has already been discredited and abandoned in favour of another approach serves no purpose.

I am not even sure what you suggest is 100% true. That it was felt that the girls were complicit in the activity doesn’t equate to the majority of the blame being put onto them, but that isn’t important. It isn’t the approach now and that’s what really matters. Accepting and rectification has happened. That was the correct course of action.
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Complicit? You mean groomed and in some cases physically threatened. On at least one occasion when Police visited a house, there were several Asian men together with under aged girls who had quite obviously been drinking and were in a state of undress. What did the Police do? Arrested the girls…. fact. Where was the arrest of the men? Ah yes it was all the fault of the girls.
I cannot believe you can say that the lack of previous action is not important now. Had it been dealt with at the time, many girls may wellhave been saved from the savagery they endured. Yes it was savagery, having seen what many endured, savagery probably isn’t a strong enough term.
 
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Stirlingsays said:
These are hundreds of thousands of rapes....God knows the total number of rapes over decades.

This was deliberate government policy enacted down to the entire British Police force.

You pour doubt over Afzal's account, without recognition that this was revealed in 2013 and at no point has an official denial or libel been seen for his comments. All they have done is keep what he said as quiet as possible. So subsequently most people didn't know that this came from the Home Office.

'Discredited strategy'? This isn't a case of revision.....feck political 'blackballing'. I personally also blame the Tories for inaction during office. They blocked real action as well. Proportionality for what occurred is valid, however it must happen. I want to know what excuses someone like May has for example. In my view the civil service need looking at.

For me this doesn't end with even a national inquiry, this is a case of root and branch sackings, trials, stated accountability and clearing out of complicity in the known official policy of ignoring of rapes of vulnerable girls, many of which were underage and where murders took place and fathers were arrested.

No official of real decision making power has been held to public account, no one fired, the system has only sought to protect itself when it had abandoned those in real danger. A tiny few number of people have been allowed to resign, with no admission of culpability and probably on full pension.

These crimes are so obscene that there should be no resting place.
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Spot on. Finding and jailing the Paedophiles. Finding and jailing the decision-makers and enablers

and compensation for the victims ?
 
HKOwen said:
Brown and Smith need to be front and centre in explaining how under age rape victims are making an informed choice
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off their heads on drink & drugs. Often spiked lemonade-drinks. They didnt have the ability to say 'no' or put up a resistance in any meaningful way - cos they were struggling to even hold onto consciousness.
A 14 year old virgin girl......and a humpy 54 year old manager of a kebab shop - whom she has known for 5 minutes......informed choice ? my @rse.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Repeating what has already been discredited and abandoned in favour of another approach serves no purpose.

I am not even sure what you suggest is 100% true. That it was felt that the girls were complicit in the activity doesn’t equate to the majority of the blame being put onto them, but that isn’t important. It isn’t the approach now and that’s what really matters. Accepting and rectification has happened. That was the correct course of action.
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That's Trump in the clear then. He didn't protest this election so he's changed his approach. No case to answer.
 
All recent Governments have questions to answer albeit that the Left appears to be at the heart of it.
Rotherham - Rotherham child sexual exploitation scandal - Wikipedia
Starmer gets a mention here as well.
As others have said - every man Jack of them need rounding up, being exposed and then jailed.
Cynical me says that this whole episode of child abuse involves too many high ranking individuals for anything to ever happen.
In a decent society these people would be outed not Knighted.
Remember Cyril Smith!
Knighted during a Tory reign no less.
Labour are in it up to their necks but so are thousands of others - allegedly!
 
I don’t want to pour over his latest bilge so can anyone provide a concise summary of our resident Mr. Establishment’s defence of said Pakistani grooming gangs/his objections to an inquiry into previous (non) investigations of grooming gangs please?

Thanks in advance.
 
Rudi Hedman said:
I don’t want to pour over his latest bilge so can anyone provide a concise summary of our resident Mr. Establishment’s defence of said Pakistani grooming gangs/his objections to an inquiry into previous (non) investigations of grooming gangs please?

Thanks in advance.
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Paraphrased…..

It’s all the Girls’ fault. The little hussies ! The poor gentlemen in question were severely provoked and indeed are the victims in all this.
 
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