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Grooming gangs

Teddy Eagle said:
It's an established fact that some argued wasn't true for years.
This all happened within the last 20 years. It's not ancient history.
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It’s not that old and it did catch people by surprise so that the response was inadequate. Many could not believe this was going on, but when the enquiries revealed the truth, action followed. Some think not enough action, but that’s inevitable.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
It’s not that old and it did catch people by surprise so that the response was inadequate. Many could not believe this was going on, but when the enquiries revealed the truth, action followed. Some think not enough action, but that’s inevitable.
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The action, or lack of, is only one factor though. The opinions and attitudes that created that inaction are the main issue, aside from the crimes of course.
 
The real reason Labour want this to go away as fast as possible is that they....much more than anyone else....are riddled with complicity with what happened.

This won't go away, as soon as the right come in the pressure will be that they won't be able to hide anymore. You may even see people like Gordon Brown and Jacqui Smith doing a runner.

That said, while I think Starmer's views on sexual stuff is....how should I say....extremely progressive.....the real buck stops with those at the top of the tree that told their underlings what the approach should be. Not that this absolves Starmer of his inaction....because this was all known about.....he just doesn't care about the vulnerable white working class.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1875837518031233132
 
PalazioVecchio said:
an Indian friend told me its been happening over there for at least a thousand years. The systematic wholesale Targeting of Hindu & Sikh girls.

England was not the first, and will probably not be the last, to suffer this onslaught.
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Oh well that’s ok then !!!
What a stupid argument or maybe the fact they rape each others makes it ok over there. Karma I guess. Eye for eye etc.
 
Stirlingsays said:
The real reason Labour want this to go away as fast as possible is that they....much more than anyone else....are riddled with complicity with what happened.

This won't go away, as soon as the right come in the pressure will be that they won't be able to hide anymore. You may even see people like Gordon Brown and Jacqui Smith doing a runner.

That said, while I think Starmer's views on sexual stuff is....how should I say....extremely progressive.....the real buck stops with those at the top of the tree that told their underlings what the approach should be. Not that this absolves Starmer of his inaction....because this was all known about.....he just doesn't care about the vulnerable white working class.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1875837518031233132
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Has anyone actually seen this alleged email, or could it be just another slur? Something that when frequently repeated becomes generally accepted.

I have read other claims, also unsubstantiated, that during his time as head of the CPS, no one at all did more to try to bring the criminals involved in the grooming gangs to justice than Keir Starmer.

It’s unlikely both are true.
 
The level of ignorance is staggering though not unexpected.

The person who revealed the email was Nazir Afzal, the former Chief Crown Prosecutor for North West England. He disclosed that in 2008, the Home Office under Gordon Brown's administration sent a circular email to all police forces, suggesting that young girls being exploited had made an 'informed choice' about their sexual behaviour and that police should not get involved.

Smith was the Home Secretary at the time as was Starmer the Director of Public Prosecutions.

www.telegraph.co.uk

Labour should hang their heads in shame over the grooming scandals

‘Cultural sensitivity’ always means sensitivity to one culture alone – and it sure as hell isn’t the culture of white working-class girls
www.telegraph.co.uk www.telegraph.co.uk
 
Teddy Eagle said:
The action, or lack of, is only one factor though. The opinions and attitudes that created that inaction are the main issue, aside from the crimes of course.
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They aren’t the main issue!

The main issue is to ensure these criminals all get detected, their gangs broken up and others deterred from imitation.

Anything that takes the attention of those responsible for ensuring that happens away from it is doing a disservice to the victims.
 
Stirlingsays said:
The level of ignorance is staggering though not unexpected.

The person who revealed the email was Nazir Afzal, the former Chief Crown Prosecutor for North West England. He disclosed that in 2008, the Home Office under Gordon Brown's administration sent a circular email to all police forces, suggesting that young girls being exploited had made an 'informed choice' about their sexual behaviour and that police should not get involved.

Smith was the Home Secretary at the time as was Starmer the Director of Public Prosecutions.

www.telegraph.co.uk

Labour should hang their heads in shame over the grooming scandals

‘Cultural sensitivity’ always means sensitivity to one culture alone – and it sure as hell isn’t the culture of white working-class girls
www.telegraph.co.uk www.telegraph.co.uk
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No one has asked who is alleged to have said it. What was asked was if anyone had seen it. Without sight of the actual phrasing it’s impossible to know whether what has been suggested is true. Either what has been reported was said by Mr Afzal is accurate or whether it was incomplete.

I have just read Nazir Afral’s X account. He has a lot of good things to say about Starmer’s time running the CPS, is very critical of Johnson and outspoken about Musk and Trump. Things don’t ring true.

We already know there was a discredited strategy at that time which saw the victims as willing accomplices in the crimes. That has been recognised and revised, making this current furore a completely pointless exercise in attempted political blackballing.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
They aren’t the main issue!

The main issue is to ensure these criminals all get detected, their gangs broken up and others deterred from imitation.

Anything that takes the attention of those responsible for ensuring that happens away from it is doing a disservice to the victims.
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Pure snake oil. This concern for the victims wasn't paramount when there were excuses to be made for the failure to act. Now there are no more excuses the victims get mentioned and suddenly the sensitivities of a particular segment of the population can be ignored to benefit of the wider society.
Nothing but slavish obeisance to authority could cause this change of direction and the higher the authority the greater the change.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
No one has asked who is alleged to have said it. What was asked was if anyone had seen it. Without sight of the actual phrasing it’s impossible to know whether what has been suggested is true. Either what has been reported was said by Mr Afzal is accurate or whether it was incomplete.

I have just read Nazir Afral’s X account. He has a lot of good things to say about Starmer’s time running the CPS, is very critical of Johnson and outspoken about Musk and Trump. Things don’t ring true.

We already know there was a discredited strategy at that time which saw the victims as willing accomplices in the crimes. That has been recognised and revised, making this current furore a completely pointless exercise in attempted political blackballing.
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It doesn't ring true that a Starmer supporting critic of Boris Johnson might have a view on this matter which runs contrary to his political ideology. That's quite a statement.
 
HKOwen said:
Brown and Smith need to be front and centre in explaining how indert age rape victims are making an informed choice.

This should be front page everyday, both these despicable people are enjoying some kind of respected legacy.
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Anyone remember the Paedophile Information Exchange, a group active in the 1970s and 80s that campaigned for abolition of the age of consent and was given a platform at meetings of various left-wing organisations such as the Albany Trust, Campaign for Homosexual Equality, Gay Left, Spartacus International Gay Guide and the National Council for Civil Liberties (led by Harriet Harman).

'Informed Consent' was a favourite phrase they used - along with many of the lines taken by the apologists and, perhaps inadvertently, covert facilitators of the mass-rape of children by predominately men of Pakistani heritage.
 
Teddy Eagle said:
Pure snake oil. This concern for the victims wasn't paramount when there were excuses to be made for the failure to act. Now there are no more excuses the victims get mentioned and suddenly the sensitivities of a particular segment of the population can be ignored to benefit of the wider society.
Nothing but slavish obeisance to authority could cause this change of direction and the higher the authority the greater the change.
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During the last few days there has been no focus at all on either the victims or the current efforts to bring the perpetrators to justice. It’s all been smears and the blame game. It’s 100% political.

If the attention was directed at ensuring that all the recommendations of the report into this are fully implemented then it would make some sense. Suggesting we have another enquiry would probably kick that implementation into the long grass and result in a worse situation, helping no one at all. The Chair of the enquiry agrees:-

www.bbc.co.uk

Child sexual abuse inquiry chair Alexis Jay urges government to act

A campaign group led by Prof Alexis Jay also warns against "politicising" sexual violence.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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