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Stirlingsays said:
These are hundreds of thousands of rapes....God knows the total number of rapes over decades.

This was deliberate government policy enacted down to the entire British Police force.

You pour doubt over Afzal's account, without recognition that this was revealed in 2013 and at no point has an official denial or libel been seen for his comments. All they have done is keep what he said as quiet as possible. So subsequently most people didn't know that this came from the Home Office.

'Discredited strategy'? This isn't a case of revision.....feck political 'blackballing'. I personally also blame the Tories for inaction during office. They blocked real action as well. Proportionality for what occurred is valid, however it must happen. I want to know what excuses someone like May has for example. In my view the civil service need looking at.

For me this doesn't end with even a national inquiry, this is a case of root and branch sackings, trials, stated accountability and clearing out of complicity in the known official policy of ignoring of rapes of vulnerable girls, many of which were underage and where murders took place and fathers were arrested.

No official of real decision making power has been held to public account, no one fired, the system has only sought to protect itself when it had abandoned those in real danger. A tiny few number of people have been allowed to resign, with no admission of culpability and probably on full pension.

These crimes are so obscene that there should be no resting place.
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I thought you were ignoring me!

You, like many here, are completely missing the point.

No one disagrees with your last sentence. The only disagreement is over what helps to achieve that.

To me is is very clear that the current furore is entirely manufactured, being driven solely by politics. Seeking scapegoats serves no one and won’t bring a single perpetrator to justice. That being true it ought not be happening.

We know that the previous strategy was discredited and revised. You, and others, seem to want to blame people for determining a failed strategy. You seem to think that “blaming the girls” and “ignoring the rapes” was the start and finish of that strategy because that suits your agenda. It isn’t, of course, true. That the scale of the abuse was initially misunderstood is true, even if your “hundreds of thousands of rapes” seems to have been invented, and the emphasis then was on trying to persuade the victims not to get involved with these men, take some into care and work within the community to improve things. When the scale of the problem and the failure of the strategy was revealed new approaches were formulated.

That the early strategy didn’t work does mean that those who determined it were doing so maliciously. We all make mistakes in good faith. It we seek to punish those who make mistakes, whatever is involved, then who on earth is going to accept the responsibility of having to make them?

I am no fan of the Home Office, or of a number of other Ministries, and think an overhaul is long overdue, but I see no point at all in singling out individuals, either in government or the civil service. We need to concentrate on how to improve for the future and not on what happened in the past.

I am appalled at both Musk’s behaviour and those UK politicians trying to take advantage of it. This is something that every UK politician, whatever their outlook, ought to condemn. Condemning the perpetrators of the crimes and working to fully implement the recommendations of the enquiry ought to be beyond party politics. They should be working together to achieve that. Farage and Badenoch included. The whole UK Parliament should speak with one voice to Musk with an unequivocal message. We govern here.
 
Apollofuzz said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Child sexual abuse inquiry chair Alexis Jay urges government to act

A campaign group led by Prof Alexis Jay also warns against "politicising" sexual violence.
www.bbc.co.uk

www.bbc.co.uk

Jay Report: How inquiry shone a light on Rotherham abuse

August 2014 marks 10 years since scale of grooming and exploitation of children in town was exposed.
www.bbc.co.uk

How many inquiries do we need before action is taken?
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Arguing for the full implementation of the recommendations of the enquiry is a sensible and worthwhile approach. One that everyone could coalesce around.

Arguing for another enquiry that would only delay things and divert resources is not sensible or worthwhile.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
No need to look there for one. It’s under your nose.
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So are the keys that spell ‘protected community of the same religion again’ under your nose. Left wing politicians and the police avoid dealing with them and tread on eggshells when it matters and can’t wait to bow down on their prayer mats facing Mecca, so it isn’t surprising that social services are the same.
 
Rudi Hedman said:
So are the keys that spell ‘protected community of the same religion again’ under your nose. Left wing politicians and the police avoid dealing with them and tread on eggshells when it matters and can’t wait to bow down on their prayer mats facing Mecca, so it isn’t surprising that social services are the same.
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I can’t see this as protecting them for the fact they are Muslim but the fact that the violence which it would have created and does create when Muslims are nicked. That should not determine if action should be taken against the peodo rapists but it does.
 
Rudi Hedman said:
I bet the BBS has an eyebrow raising thread right now.
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the Blair Brown Soapbox will not entertain any scurrilous rumours.

getting back to the OP, Republican societies have democracy , proper working Parliaments, separation of Religion from State, freedom of speech, and a legal nod toward equality ( no inner cabals or privileged castes of men being above the law ),

Monarchies are similar to Caliphates........with none of the above.

so what are we ?
 
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Rudi Hedman said:
So are the keys that spell ‘protected community of the same religion again’ under your nose. Left wing politicians and the police avoid dealing with them and tread on eggshells when it matters and can’t wait to bow down on their prayer mats facing Mecca, so it isn’t surprising that social services are the same.
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Absolute nonsense.

No community is “protected”! Some produce greater challenges than others.

Perhaps it has escaped your attention that policing in the UK is by consent. We don’t operate a police state in which we control the population through fear. We need their cooperation and involvement. To do that we need to build trust. Not distrust and suspicion. Which is what, unfortunately, exists in some places and isn’t helped by some of the attitudes on display here.

You might want us to have a police state, but we don’t. We need to meet those challenges, which isn’t easy.
 
cryrst said:
I can’t see this as protecting them for the fact they are Muslim but the fact that the violence which it would have created and does create when Muslims are nicked. That should not determine if action should be taken against the peodo rapists but it does.
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Probably both I think.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Absolute nonsense.

No community is “protected”! Some produce greater challenges than others.

Perhaps it has escaped your attention that policing in the UK is by consent. We don’t operate a police state in which we control the population through fear. We need their cooperation and involvement. To do that we need to build trust. Not distrust and suspicion. Which is what, unfortunately, exists in some places and isn’t helped by some of the attitudes on display here.

You might want us to have a police state, but we don’t. We need to meet those challenges, which isn’t easy.
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Utter waffle. Just arresting paedos and sex offenders will do. No need for flow charts or a course of action that’s more difficult than navigating your way out of Hampton Court Maze.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Absolute nonsense.

No community is “protected”! Some produce greater challenges than others.

Perhaps it has escaped your attention that policing in the UK is by consent. We don’t operate a police state in which we control the population through fear. We need their cooperation and involvement. To do that we need to build trust. Not distrust and suspicion. Which is what, unfortunately, exists in some places and isn’t helped by some of the attitudes on display here.

You might want us to have a police state, but we don’t. We need to meet those challenges, which isn’t easy.
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Perhaps it's escaped your attention that building trust in one community whilst losing it in another is a self defeating process.
 
Rudi Hedman said:
Utter waffle. Just arresting paedos and sex offenders will do. No need for flow charts or a course of action that’s more difficult than navigating your way out of Hampton Court Maze.
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Sounds so simple doesn’t it? Maybe you should send your ideas to the Home Office, I bet they haven’t thought of that.

It’s detecting the perpetrators and gathering sufficient evidence to satisfy the CPS that’s challenging. Not arresting them.
 
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