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Grooming gangs

silvertop said:
I suspect they shouted "Shame" because the report was published last year; the Tories implemented none of it; they are now - in one of the most insidious examples of hypocrisy and duplicity in recent times - seeking to weaponize the issue by criticizing Labour (and implying "pro paedo") for not carrying through those very same recommendations.

The irony is that, unlike the Tories, Labour were seeking to implement the recommendations and continue to do so (albeit, I have little doubt, in an inept way that somehow manages to be both over-sensitive and clumsy). All they are resisting is another can-kicking enquiry that covers the same ground as the enquiry whose recommendations the Tories ignored.

I would like to dismiss this as barrel scraping politics but, given the subject matter, it is a lot worse than that. And Farage and Musk's interventions are not only intentionally misleading with an end justifies the means purpose, but downright dangerous given some of the gullible nutters who naively believe them (like some posters on here) but have access to firearms.
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The Tories did nothing for 14 years and Labour councils were complicit in the cover up.

The main lesson here is that these rapists should not have been here in the first place.
Government policy is to blame for all of this. We need change.
 
HKOwen said:
Crazy Starmer says anyone who is unhappy about the child rapists is a far right troublemaker ( or words to that effect )
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Bit he didn't did he? He said that opposition MP's were jumping on the bandwagon and that they were amplifying calls from the far right.

This is simply not the same.

There are sadly certain groups who as using these tragic events to push a political agenda without really caring for the victims or seeking to do anything to support anyone affected by this.

These events were horrible the perpetrators and anyone who covers these things up should be held to account and that can only come with action not another enquiry.

Actions speak louder than words
 
I don't think we necessarily need another enquiry.
What we need, is our Leader - and the Tories should have done it - to do two things.
1. Fully implement the findings and recommendations of the previous enquiry - he won't because of the implications for Labour and Muslims.
2. Make a statement to the people in the UK along the lines of - "We will shortly be creating an independent body, with far ranging powers to investigate all child abuse and child rape in all Towns and Cities - previously named - some fifty in number.
This group/squad will be sizeable and with further powers to seek out and arrest individuals who were involved in any of these vile and unacceptable crimes.
Whatever walk of life you are from, whatever race or religion - we will find you, prosecute you and jail you for crimes against children.
We will leave no stone unturned!"
Would he ever do that - no!
He would get the Country's support if he did but he daren't - too many Muslims, too many high ups in Politics, Police, Local Government and the Judiciary - to name but a few - who he would not dare upset.
What a world we live in, where race and politics and glad handing is more important then the welfare of children - it is enough to make me weep.
I must add, that I am certain that many millions of Muslims in the UK, will today share the same feelings and disdain for their brethren.
 
DANGERCLOSE said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1876561225506779618

https://twitter.com/x/status/1876384529516220588

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The left will go to the ends of the earth on this because this cuts to their very identity. It's like the trans parent issue, if they admit that they are the core of the problem, they are admitting that a core plank of their ideology is wrong and that they are the bad guys partly responsible for horrors destroying lives.....So they will never do it.

But when it comes to this issue the right....the real right....will never let this go. They are fundamentally right and winter is coming for the enablers.....Not this year, nor the next, but it's coming.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1876323206073823707
 
Spiderman said:
We are as near to controlling the population through fear, as we have ever been in my lifetime. Arresting people for naughty words for starters, oh sorry only if you are “far right”.
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That’s simply untrue. That a few people have been sanctioned because of social media posts that are regarded as unacceptable because they might incite others to violence or other criminal activities is just a reflection of the environment we now live in.

It’s social media which is making the difference and it’s highly selective. There are many places where “naughty words”, insults and abuse flourish without any action being taken or threatened. You need look no further than here and some of the stuff that’s directed at people like me to realise that.

No one has any fear at all in doing that. That society has come down hard on the rioters and those seen to have supported or encouraged them is an isolated example of a line being crossed. Not an example of a new normal.
 
DANGERCLOSE said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1876561225506779618

https://twitter.com/x/status/1876384529516220588

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No.

It would be a complete waste of public money because they wouldn’t have anything to do.

No one “turned a blind eye” to anything!

They followed a different strategy to try to attack the problem. That it was subsequently seen to be ineffective, and revised, is no reason to try to demonise those responsible. They acted in good faith, which is what we expect from everyone. If we start to punish people for trying things that fail, beyond re-educating, re-training or demoting them, then no one will ever do anything. Seeking witches to burn helps no one.
 
silvertop said:
I don't disagree but I do find it of interest that there wasn't a peep from Reform about the Report published last year until now.

Why did they not think it important to crush grooming gangs then but suddenly do now. Slow readers?

Politics huh?
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Did they? If so, perhaps that just assumed anyone with a moral compass would want to crush child-rape gangs regardless of the heritage of the gangs. Perhaps they underestimated the depths that the Left are prepared to sink to in support of their ideologies.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
No.

It would be a complete waste of public money because they wouldn’t have anything to do.

No one “turned a blind eye” to anything!

They followed a different strategy to try to attack the problem. That it was subsequently seen to be ineffective, and revised, is no reason to try to demonise those responsible. They acted in good faith, which is what we expect from everyone. If we start to punish people for trying things that fail, beyond re-educating, re-training or demoting them, then no one will ever do anything. Seeking witches to burn helps no one.
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How do we know how much good faith was involved?
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
No.

It would be a complete waste of public money because they wouldn’t have anything to do.

No one “turned a blind eye” to anything!

They followed a different strategy to try to attack the problem. That it was subsequently seen to be ineffective, and revised, is no reason to try to demonise those responsible. They acted in good faith, which is what we expect from everyone. If we start to punish people for trying things that fail, beyond re-educating, re-training or demoting them, then no one will ever do anything. Seeking witches to burn helps no one.
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We need accountability stop trying to defend them

We need reform
 
georgenorman said:
Did they? If so, perhaps that just assumed anyone with a moral compass would want to crush child-rape gangs regardless of the heritage of the gangs. Perhaps they underestimated the depths that the Left are prepared to sink to in support of their ideologies.
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It was lower down the list of things I must get cross about and even further down the which bandwagon can we jump on today list.
 
this enquiry, that witch-hunt, this investigation.

The Elites are running scared cos their decades of inaction has torn at the very fabric of our democracy, our society and their credibility. Our Elites look more naked than the Elites who butchered whole generations of our youth in two World Wars. At least the latter Elites can hide behind 'we were doing the necessary thing'.

You could always of course DO NOTHING. And allow History to take its inevitable course. Now that would take balls.
 
Teddy Eagle said:
How do we know how much good faith was involved?
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We look at the evidence, the people involved, their records, and the context. We evaluate what would be the benefit to them of not acting in good faith. Then we determine on the balance of probability.

As those involved are either politicians or public servants I see a much bigger downside from acting in bad faith than anything good. They stand to lose not only their job but their future. Their hard won integrity would disappear. It’s far too big a risk. On top of that there is no evidence at all that they did act in bad faith. So we can be confident they didn’t.
 
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Wisbech Eagle said:
We look at the evidence, the people involved, their records, and the context. We evaluate what would be the benefit to them of not acting in good faith. Then we determine on the balance of probability.

As those involved are either politicians or public servants I see a much bigger downside from acting in bad faith than anything good. They stand to lose not only their job but their future. Their hard one integrity would disappear. It’s far too big a risk. On top of that there is no evidence at all that they did act in bad faith. So we can be confident they didn’t.
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However much integrity their hard one has not everyone is as convinced.
 
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