Grooming gangs

[PalazioVecchio]

Ethnicity not being a crime that's unsurprising.

Child abuse is the crime. Criminals commit crimes. Not ethnicities.

you could say the same thing for the victims.

 

[Stirlingsays]

I'm not sure why there is suddenly this outrage that victims were ignored, they have essentially been ignored all their lives. These kids are by definition vulnerable, often coming from broken homes or being in care. Their backgrounds are often shocking. I work for a kids charity and part of what we do includes running children residential homes. Many of these kids are being looked after as their parent(s) have rejected them, are unable to care for them or are in jail etc.

Unfortunately some people exploit vulnerable people mainly as they are rarely believed if they do speak out.

These gangs are terrible and it has been going on for years. The Derby case in 2010 showed how the gangs targeted girls walking home form school so we know how they operate.

However, i am not sure what a further inquiry will achieve.
Also, let's be honest the grooming gangs are less than 5% of child abuse cases in the UK so let's not forget that the majority of abuse is being undertaken by people close to the victim e.g. family members etc.

Supposedly the 20 recommendations from the 2022 inquiry have yet to be introduced. That seems to be a sensible starting point IMHO

Child sexual abuse inquiry chair Alexis Jay urges government to act

A campaign group led by Prof Alexis Jay also warns against "politicising" sexual violence.

www.bbc.co.uk

This had been going on long before 2010, our institutions had and have been deliberately downplaying it for decades until Musk amplified it to the world.

'However, i am not sure what a further inquiry will achieve.'

?

Hasn't that been made plain yet? All the people within the system need to be held to account for the incompetency, negligence and some cases the enablement of rapes, which collectively are mass rapes on a decades long scale.

No one has lost their job, no one has been fired, no one has been jailed.

Without consequences there is no deterrence.

For contrast with how serious the comparison the leftist establishment treat different behaviours. Our courts recently jailed a man for twenty months.....twenty sodding months for writing that migrants should be deported for what happened over Southport.

Twenty months for causing offence yet they won't hold a national inquiry into institutional failures that enabled mass rapes over decades?

Yet, no one in a system that saw fathers arrested, girls trafficked, sometimes within tax payer funded institutions, girls murdered.....No one loses their job.

And you're confused that people don't want an inquiry.

Everyone and their dog knows that the reason the left don't want an inquiry is that the rot that allowed all this to happen is to mainly be found in their activists and people within institutions that hold their politics.

However, for me, I know that many in the Police force will be right wing but still went along with this.....'go along to get along' and sorry but that's not good enough when lives are being destroyed on your watch.

We need a root and branch inquiry.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Just to repost and thus highlight a recent post sent to Musk.

Dear Mr. Musk,

I, and the people of my town, owe you our gratitude. For six years, we have led the campaign for a Public Inquiry into the cover-up of the grooming and gang rape of Oldham’s children. To this day, not a single mainstream reporter or news agency has told the full story of what powerful politicians did to those of us who refused to turn a blind eye to the industrial-scale abuse of children, not just in Oldham but across the UK. Without this platform, the truth would remain hidden.

Today, @Keir_Starmer and his @UKLabour will vote against a Public Inquiry into this national scandal. Here are the three main reasons why:- To protect the block postal votes they rely on from sections of the UK’s Muslim communities to stay in power.- To shield senior Labour politicians implicated in the cover-up, including Deputy PM @AngelaRayner, Home Secretary @YvetteCooperMP,GovernmentMinister@JimfromOldham, and Greater Manchester Mayor @AndyBurnhamGM.- To silence and demonise working-class communities like ours.

They believe that by branding us as racists and far-right they can silence all opposition and tighten their grip on power.The Prime Minister is fully aware of what took place in Oldham. When we first began our campaign, whilst leader of the Labour Party, @Keir_Starmer came to Oldham to help support members of his team that were trying to put myself and others in prison for daring to speak out.Without your voice, and this platform, we would have already been defeated. For that we will be ever grateful. Thank you @elonmusk.

Yours Sincerely
Raja Miah MBE

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

So it wouldn't have helped speed up enquiries if they'd been concentrated on certain parts of the population.
It's been said before but if there was a spate of robberies being carried out by tall ginger haired men how many short blonde women should be interviewed?

How the police conduct their enquiries in a day-to-day practical way is unrelated to what will be included in a report.

 

[eritheagle]

Can we please change the title of this thread to 'RAPING GANGS'.

I think plying young white girls with drink and or drugs after picking them up in taxis and then raping them almost straight away in a lot of cases is not grooming in my book.

They RAPED these poor girls and quite often RAPED them time and time again so let's call it out for what it is!!

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Mistakes! Try telling that to the victims. So improving community relations was more important than dealing with the main issue? At last!

Telling it to the victims won't help them any more than not telling them.

Improving community relations was not more important than dealing with the crimes. You are another either misunderstanding or misrepresenting, the point.

I have no more information than anyone else does but if improving community relations was seen to be the key to unlocking the door that led to solving the problem then that's what would have been done.

If that was the case then it failed and was changed.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Just to repost and thus highlight a recent post sent to Musk.

Dear Mr. Musk,

I, and the people of my town, owe you our gratitude. For six years, we have led the campaign for a Public Inquiry into the cover-up of the grooming and gang rape of Oldham’s children. To this day, not a single mainstream reporter or news agency has told the full story of what powerful politicians did to those of us who refused to turn a blind eye to the industrial-scale abuse of children, not just in Oldham but across the UK. Without this platform, the truth would remain hidden.

Today, @Keir_Starmer and his @UKLabour will vote against a Public Inquiry into this national scandal. Here are the three main reasons why:- To protect the block postal votes they rely on from sections of the UK’s Muslim communities to stay in power.- To shield senior Labour politicians implicated in the cover-up, including Deputy PM @AngelaRayner, Home Secretary @YvetteCooperMP,GovernmentMinister@JimfromOldham, and Greater Manchester Mayor @AndyBurnhamGM.- To silence and demonise working-class communities like ours.

They believe that by branding us as racists and far-right they can silence all opposition and tighten their grip on power.The Prime Minister is fully aware of what took place in Oldham. When we first began our campaign, whilst leader of the Labour Party, @Keir_Starmer came to Oldham to help support members of his team that were trying to put myself and others in prison for daring to speak out.Without your voice, and this platform, we would have already been defeated. For that we will be ever grateful. Thank you @elonmusk.

Yours Sincerely
Raja Miah MBE

Big deal!

This guy makes a lot of noise but has overseen two failed schools, with questions being asked about where the money went, and been blacklisted from any more involvement in education.

Oiling Musk's ego by writing this kind of thing is exactly what you would anticipate from someone like him.

 

[DANGERCLOSE]

"One victim from Telford says she wants a national inquiry because it will hold people accountable in a way that previous inquiries have not"

 

[Teddy Eagle]

How the police conduct their enquiries in a day-to-day practical way is unrelated to what will be included in a report.

But if ethnicity wasn't originally recorded how could it factor into enquiries?

 

[Spiderman]

Big deal!

This guy makes a lot of noise but has overseen two failed schools, with questions being asked about where the money went, and been blacklisted from any more involvement in education.

Oiling Musk's ego by writing this kind of thing is exactly what you would anticipate from someone like him.

Oh that’s alright then, he can’t be right on this can he. What do you mean “someone like him”, do you know him or have you met him?

 

[Spiderman]

Telling it to the victims won't help them any more than not telling them.

Improving community relations was not more important than dealing with the crimes. You are another either misunderstanding or misrepresenting, the point.

I have no more information than anyone else does but if improving community relations was seen to be the key to unlocking the door that led to solving the problem then that's what would have been done.

If that was the case then it failed and was changed.

If you feel I am misunderstanding or am misinformed, that’s your perogative. My perogative is to feel that you are either intentionally being argumentative or are totally blinkered with regard to these heinous crimes

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Big deal!

This guy makes a lot of noise but has overseen two failed schools, with questions being asked about where the money went, and been blacklisted from any more involvement in education.

Oiling Musk's ego by writing this kind of thing is exactly what you would anticipate from someone like him.

Some mistakes are more forgiveable than others.

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

People in high-ranking jobs are suitably remunerated for policy decisions and accountability.

Equally, where they have made 'poor' decisions, they must be exposed and held accountable.
If they are not being held accountable, then why the huge page packets ?

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

But if ethnicity wasn't originally recorded how could it factor into enquiries?

How the police conduct any enquiry depends on the circumstances. They will use every available bit of information, even those which they cannot include in an official report, to get a result. If someone has pointed out, or history indicates, something, they will use it. The police don’t ignore the obvious. You might want to present them as hogtied by regulations but they aren’t. They use practical experience to help them get results.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Oh that’s alright then, he can’t be right on this can he. What do you mean “someone like him”, do you know him or have you met him?

He is just jumping on a bandwagon, like others are.

I have not met him, nor would I want to. I have though read his history alongside how he presents himself.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

If you feel I am misunderstanding or am misinformed, that’s your perogative. My perogative is to feel that you are either intentionally being argumentative or are totally blinkered with regard to these heinous crimes

I think you are being encouraged to jump on a bandwagon by those with no real interest in helping the victims and are only doing so for self serving political purposes.

I am far from blinkered about these heinous crimes. It’s the only reason I am calling out hypocrisy which is plainly obvious to me. Nothing is served, other than the political self interest, in conducting witch hunts of this kind. The lessons have already been learned.

 

[The Dolphin]

Just to repost and thus highlight a recent post sent to Musk.

Dear Mr. Musk,

I, and the people of my town, owe you our gratitude. For six years, we have led the campaign for a Public Inquiry into the cover-up of the grooming and gang rape of Oldham’s children. To this day, not a single mainstream reporter or news agency has told the full story of what powerful politicians did to those of us who refused to turn a blind eye to the industrial-scale abuse of children, not just in Oldham but across the UK. Without this platform, the truth would remain hidden.

Today, @Keir_Starmer and his @UKLabour will vote against a Public Inquiry into this national scandal. Here are the three main reasons why:- To protect the block postal votes they rely on from sections of the UK’s Muslim communities to stay in power.- To shield senior Labour politicians implicated in the cover-up, including Deputy PM @AngelaRayner, Home Secretary @YvetteCooperMP,GovernmentMinister@JimfromOldham, and Greater Manchester Mayor @AndyBurnhamGM.- To silence and demonise working-class communities like ours.

They believe that by branding us as racists and far-right they can silence all opposition and tighten their grip on power.The Prime Minister is fully aware of what took place in Oldham. When we first began our campaign, whilst leader of the Labour Party, @Keir_Starmer came to Oldham to help support members of his team that were trying to put myself and others in prison for daring to speak out.Without your voice, and this platform, we would have already been defeated. For that we will be ever grateful. Thank you @elonmusk.

Yours Sincerely
Raja Miah MBE

I agree on the point that Musk has raised the profile of this issue and that is a good thing, albeit some of his language is not!
If that is a truthful post, then it is both powerful and disturbing and worrying for the top of Labour.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

How the police conduct any enquiry depends on the circumstances. They will use every available bit of information, even those which they cannot include in an official report, to get a result. If someone has pointed out, or history indicates, something, they will use it. The police don’t ignore the obvious. You might want to present them as hogtied by regulations but they aren’t. They use practical experience to help them get results.

Every bit of information? It doesn't look like it.

What did the child sexual abuse inquiry say about grooming gangs?

The £186.6 million inquiry, set up in 2015, looked at 15 areas scrutinising institutional responses to child sexual abuse.

www.standard.co.uk

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

People in high-ranking jobs are suitably remunerated for policy decisions and accountability.

Equally, where they have made 'poor' decisions, they must be exposed and held accountable.
If they are not being held accountable, then why the huge page packets ?

I don’t disagree and would expect that to always be the case. Performance reviews lead either to more, or less, responsibility. In extreme circumstances to dismissal.

That though doesn’t apply here. If a decision was made in good faith, but based on limited information and experience, then it might turn out to be the wrong one, but it wasn’t a “poor” one. Mistakes are almost always part of a learning process. Success almost always comes after a series of failures.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Every bit of information? It doesn't look like it.

What did the child sexual abuse inquiry say about grooming gangs?

The £186.6 million inquiry, set up in 2015, looked at 15 areas scrutinising institutional responses to child sexual abuse.

www.standard.co.uk

Every enquiry needs its terms of reference.