Grooming gangs

[Teddy Eagle]

I don’t disagree and would expect that to always be the case. Performance reviews lead either to more, or less, responsibility. In extreme circumstances to dismissal.

That though doesn’t apply here. If a decision was made in good faith, but based on limited information and experience, then it might turn out to be the wrong one, but it wasn’t a “poor” one. Mistakes are almost always part of a learning process. Success almost always comes after a series of failures.

That must be why football managers never get sacked.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Every enquiry needs its terms of reference.

Sure.
...the inquiry found there were “extensive failures” in the way child sexual exploitation by criminal gangs was tackled, with police and authorities potentially downplaying the scale of abuse over concerns about negative publicity.

 

[Stirlingsays]

I agree on the point that Musk has raised the profile of this issue and that is a good thing, albeit some of his language is not!
If that is a truthful post, then it is both powerful and disturbing and worrying for the top of Labour.

Personally I'm way past the point of 'pass the sugar' on this issue.

Musk is speed running the whole thing and was massively shocked and disgusted on what he found in those court extracts and rightly shocked at the reaction and betrayal of the state and its lackey institutions.

People willing to turn a blind eye to the organised rapes of.....what are in their eyes low status white girls....just as long as they could pay their mortgage.

For me Musk is the hero who could....and he did.....and that's rare in today's moral panorama of cowards.

 

[Badger11]

Interesting timing from the BBC

Men on 1970s pro-paedophile list could still work with children today

A small number have been identified from a 300-strong group of adults who called for legal sex with children.

www.bbc.co.uk

Of course if there is anything to be investigated the police should. I make an assumption that these people are almost exclusively white males.

As I said above, interesting timing, whilst at the same time complaining about politicians making a political issue about Asian rape gangs.

 

[Spiderman]

I think you are being encouraged to jump on a bandwagon by those with no real interest in helping the victims and are only doing so for self serving political purposes.

I am far from blinkered about these heinous crimes. It’s the only reason I am calling out hypocrisy which is plainly obvious to me. Nothing is served, other than the political self interest, in conducting witch hunts of this kind. The lessons have already been learned.

At my age, no one encourages me to jump on any bandwagon, I have followed these cases for many years, in particular after my tenure in Pakistan, where I saw first hand, in what regard females are treated ( however nothing like they treated vulnerable white females). It is my view that those responsible for not taking appropriate action, when this first started and subsequently, should be held to account. Why should they walk away Scot free?

 

[steeleye20]

The nasty party trying to block child protection laws, they don't change.

It was Starmer actually who exposed this and acted on it as DPP in 2011.

Badenoch is just talking s***e and she knows it.

😎

 

[Teddy Eagle]

The nasty party trying to block child protection laws, they don't change.

It was Starmer actually who exposed this and acted on it as DPP in 2011.

Badenoch is just talking s***e and she knows it.

😎

Whichever party was most responsible is only one part of this and what matters more to me is the direction of travel which created the situation.

 

[Spiderman]

The nasty party trying to block child protection laws, they don't change.

It was Starmer actually who exposed this and acted on it as DPP in 2011.

Badenoch is just talking s***e and she knows it.

😎

It was known about before 2011. As I previously mentioned in 2008 a victim reported the crimes to the Police. There was concrete DNA evidence that should have been enough for a conviction
. In 2009 the DPP decided not to pursue as “ the young woman would not be a credible witness “. Who was that DPP?

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

That must be why football managers never get sacked.

They don’t though get an ill informed USA based megalomaniac posting calls for them to be put in jail for their lack of success. Generally they just rebuild their reputation somewhere else. Some even get rehired!

 

[Spiderman]

They don’t though get an ill informed USA based megalomaniac posting calls for them to be put in jail for their lack of success. Generally they just rebuild their reputation somewhere else. Some even get rehired!

It may happen if he buys Liverpool 🤣

 

[Teddy Eagle]

They don’t though get an ill informed USA based megalomaniac posting calls for them to be put in jail for their lack of success. Generally they just rebuild their reputation somewhere else. Some even get rehired!

Nor do they get a chance to prove that success follows a series of failures.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

At my age, no one encourages me to jump on any bandwagon, I have followed these cases for many years, in particular after my tenure in Pakistan, where I saw first hand, in what regard females are treated ( however nothing like they treated vulnerable white females). It is my view that those responsible for not taking appropriate action, when this first started and subsequently, should be held to account. Why should they walk away Scot free?

For the very simple reason that they haven’t done anything wrong. It seems they were either badly advised or unaware of the scale of the problem and, collectively, formed what was believed then to be the most appropriate response in the prevailing circumstances, here. Not in Pakistan.They got it wrong, analysed why and changed things. Which is what we all ought to expect from those we ask to handle these things.

For sure what was done would have been analysed and learned from and if there was any evidence at all of someone failing to do their duty that would have been acted upon. That though would be done in private and not in some kind of public witch hunt to satisfy a political bloodlust. Would you have accepted a complaint about your performance being discussed in public with them being egged on by a megalomaniac calling for you to be jailed? Or would you have insisted on a private hearing in a Tribunal?

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

It was known about before 2011. As I previously mentioned in 2008 a victim reported the crimes to the Police. There was concrete DNA evidence that should have been enough for a conviction
. In 2009 the DPP decided not to pursue as “ the young woman would not be a credible witness “. Who was that DPP?

Have you seen and evaluated that reported evidence and met the witness to assess her credibility?

Or just read reports in, for instance, the Mail?

The DPP heads a team who do the legwork. I suspect they have both more experience and knowledge of this case than anyone posting here.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Nor do they get a chance to prove that success follows a series of failures.

Not in the same place maybe, but football management is more of a revolving door than almost any other occupation.

 

[cryrst]

That’s a very poor analogy!

Whilst a barman has an interest in continuing to see an alcoholic drink, politicians have no interest in seeing child sexual abuse remain unchecked. They want to be re-elected!

So why is it suddenly all over the media when we’ve heard nothing for years !

 

[Spiderman]

Have you seen and evaluated that reported evidence and met the witness to assess her credibility?

Or just read reports in, for instance, the Mail?

The DPP heads a team who do the legwork. I suspect they have both more experience and knowledge of this case than anyone posting here.

Didn’t see it in the Mail. Still I bow to your better knowledge of all things grooming gang related. Was it not you who, argued profusely that these gangs were not of, predominantly Pakistani origin? Can’t always be right can we

 

[Spiderman]

For the very simple reason that they haven’t done anything wrong. It seems they were either badly advised or unaware of the scale of the problem and, collectively, formed what was believed then to be the most appropriate response in the prevailing circumstances, here. Not in Pakistan.They got it wrong, analysed why and changed things. Which is what we all ought to expect from those we ask to handle these things.

For sure what was done would have been analysed and learned from and if there was any evidence at all of someone failing to do their duty that would have been acted upon. That though would be done in private and not in some kind of public witch hunt to satisfy a political bloodlust. Would you have accepted a complaint about your performance being discussed in public with them being egged on by a megalomaniac calling for you to be jailed? Or would you have insisted on a private hearing in a Tribunal?

🤦‍♂️

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

It may happen if he buys Liverpool 🤣

Beggars belief doesn’t it?

With any luck he would either fail the ownership rules, refuse to accept them or demand they be changed for him.

 

[Spiderman]

Beggars belief doesn’t it?

With any luck he would either fail the ownership rules, refuse to accept them or demand they be changed for him.

Actually I have heard that part of the interview. His father has been misquoted
, the female reporter kept asking him whether his son wanted to buy Liverpool. He stated his grandmother was born in Liverpool and he ( the father) was brought up in the City, so there is quite a strong family connection so “ of course he would like to buy them but that’s not something he has discussed “.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Didn’t see it in the Mail. Still I bow to your better knowledge of all things grooming gang related. Was it not you who, argued profusely that these gangs were not of, predominantly Oakistani origin? Can’t always be right can we

I have no more knowledge of these criminals than anyone else posting here.

I have no idea who the “Oakistani” are. All we do know that whilst the convictions have seen more men of Pakistani origin involved there are also several others.

I used the Mail only as an example of where this type of story is found, but there are several others equally culpable.