Glasner's future

NEILLO said:
A lot is being made of last summer's transfer window and the negative effect it had. I agree that it contributed towards the poor start we had, but I don't believe it was the main reason.

If you look at the headline business we did, Olise's departure was a big blow but with an air of inevitability about it. Ayew had been brilliant for us but wasn't part of OG's plans. Andersen's leaving wasn't done until the last minute - but in truth didn't cause too much disruption. Lacroix came in, already versed in Glasner's ways, and settled in pretty quickly. Chalobah was a decent loan...Nketiah, well let's just say we haven't seen a consistent best from him yet.

So I would contend the main issue last season was the effects on the players that played international football last summer. And of course a couple of them sustained injuries while away.

I'm a huge fan of Glasner, and of course I would like to see some signings to bolster the squad. He may feel let down by the Board given the promises made to him, but he better than me knows that sometimes you can't control the narrative. I know some on here thinking that the Guehi/Eze sagas shouldn't come into play but I think they do. And for what it's worth I've seen that view in the media too.
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I don't think it's an either/or though - you can accept that the uncertainty around Guehi & Eze makes preparations more difficult, whilst also still recognising that we haven't done enough to date.

Very specifically Glasner was given assurance around getting business done early, so while we can all speculate around the causes of last season's slow start, the fact he was given these assurances by his employer is very relevant - it's not just about the failure to deliver it, it's also the club's failure to keep their word to Glasner.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
I don't think it's an either/or though - you can accept that the uncertainty around Guehi & Eze makes preparations more difficult, whilst also still recognising that we haven't done enough to date.

Very specifically Glasner was given assurance around getting business done early, so while we can all speculate around the causes of last season's slow start, the fact he was given these assurances by his employer is very relevant - it's not just about the failure to deliver it, it's also the club's failure to keep their word to Glasner.
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I think I've made it clear that I sympathise with Glasner regarding the club's failure to keep its word, while also recognising the challenges of them being able to. My mitigating circumstances are somebody elses excuses. I get that.
 
I can see it from both sides. If Glasner was promised business would be done early he has a right to feel a bit let down but the club does seem to have a strict 'one out before one comes in' policy when it comes to regular starters in the team. I can understand that too. Its all very well saying lets just buy what we need and then balance the books by selling afterwards. Doing that weakens the club's hand. Buying clubs will see the business we have done and will play hardball on players we're selling knowing we now have to get them off the books.
I imagine Glasner would have been told we have to sell Marc because he wont extend and there will be no shortage of takers. Once he is sold we will start recruiting who you want. Problem is no one has paid what Guehi is worth (or Marc is not interested in going there-Spurs?) so to date we dont have the Guehi money to spend. Then there's the Eze situation. I defy anyone to hand on heart say they thought we'd be at July 31st and no one has activated his release clause. Again I'd imagine the club are stunned we as yet dont have the Eze money to spend either. Because of this Glasner has to realise we are not City or Liverpool. We cant really sign top end of the market until we know who is leaving.
For me? I think we have to have a cut off point where we say we will no longer be held up by the whim of 'bigger clubs'. Arsenal for example would have prioritized Eze over Madueke if they were serious about him. Liverpool have fluttered their eyelashes at Marc Guehi all summer but despite being down to only two fit centre halves have still not made an offer. We need to say maybe middle of next week? If there is still no sign of a big departure we have to shut the door on it, keep our big name players and start moving on targets that Glasner wants WITH what we have instead of working on a list of replacements. It's only fair he has time to work with incoming players before the season kicks off. The Community Shield is now only 10 days away.
 
NEILLO said:
I doubt in the extreme if Johnson thinks his financial commitment ends at his initial investment. And why can't he be satisfied with the percentage he's bought ?

As for Ratcliffe, he's inherited an unholy mess at United. Not a fair comparison in my view.

And for the piece in bold - that's just not the case....City, Liverpool, Chelsea, are definitely MCO's and they seem to be doing ok.
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Ratcliffe is happy to sack the hired help or anything else to get success
 
I also imagine that when the board made any promises last year they didn't expect that they'd be needing to strengthen for European football.
Shame you can't write clauses into verbal promises the same way you can with a player 😁
 
He is already the greatest manager in our history and we should have backed him up. It's inexcusable really.

We signed Mateta, Eze, Olise, Wharton, Munoz etc with no European football, so I don't see any possible reason that we can't sign people with Conference League as a minimum.

It's as if the appeal has made the club forget about transfers, but we presumably have an entire scouting / data / transfers department that should be working on this and who are completely away from the legal proceedings.

We should be going all out to keep this bloke at the club and if he walks through us biding our time it's ridiculous. Every bloody season we do this.
 
Canterbury Palace said:
He is already the greatest manager in our history and we should have backed him up. It's inexcusable really.

We signed Mateta, Eze, Olise, Wharton, Munoz etc with no European football, so I don't see any possible reason that we can't sign people with Conference League as a minimum.

It's as if the appeal has made the club forget about transfers, but we presumably have an entire scouting / data / transfers department that should be working on this and who are completely away from the legal proceedings.

We should be going all out to keep this bloke at the club and if he walks through us biding our time it's ridiculous. Every bloody season we do this.
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All the players we purchased were bargains and untried. Nobody could have foreseen just how good this group of players would be. Look at Munoz, what an absolute steal and the same for ML last year after Anderson left.

If MG left do we really think we can replace him straight away for what we would be willing to spend. As I said previously, if the team stays together that is better than any single signing we could make. Surely OG sees this, who would he rather work with MG, Eze etc or some untried kid for 20 million?
 
I might add… if MG and Eze do go now in this window then that changes everything and is inexcusable from the board and I would totally understand OG going, I would too if I were him as we would just be full blown amateurs in this league, a proper joke of a club. We will see.
 
DenTyler said:
All the players we purchased were bargains and untried. Nobody could have foreseen just how good this group of players would be. Look at Munoz, what an absolute steal and the same for ML last year after Anderson left.

If MG left do we really think we can replace him straight away for what we would be willing to spend. As I said previously, if the team stays together that is better than any single signing we could make. Surely OG sees this, who would he rather work with MG, Eze etc or some untried kid for 20 million?
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Well all signings are untried to an extent, even if joining from another Premier League club. Impossible to know if they'll settle and fit the system until they get here. However, signing them early gives them the best chance.

It's a great group of players but let's remember that we still only finished 12th or whatever and playing on Thursdays will make that harder still.

We don't just need players to improve the first XI, we need players to ensure that when our key players get injured or tired, the drop off in quality isn't huge so we can rotate.
 
DenTyler said:
I might add… if MG and Eze do go now in this window then that changes everything and is inexcusable from the board and I would totally understand OG going, I would too if I were him as we would just be full blown amateurs in this league, a proper joke of a club. We will see.
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If players genuinely want to leave, you can't really stop them. I fail to see how the board could be blamed for that.
 
Canterbury Palace said:
He is already the greatest manager in our history and we should have backed him up. It's inexcusable really.

We signed Mateta, Eze, Olise, Wharton, Munoz etc with no European football, so I don't see any possible reason that we can't sign people with Conference League as a minimum.

It's as if the appeal has made the club forget about transfers, but we presumably have an entire scouting / data / transfers department that should be working on this and who are completely away from the legal proceedings.

We should be going all out to keep this bloke at the club and if he walks through us biding our time it's ridiculous. Every bloody season we do this.
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No he isn't, when he gets Palace to above 3rd in the top division he can claim that
 
There's quite an illuminating interview with Glasner in Austria on the Palace website.

It may be that I and a few others on here overreacted to the couple of sentences he gave on transfers to the Austrian media.

He's very positive on the new season and made a big distinction between the last pre season and this pre season.
Unlike last pre season he says we have a settled squad with an established team spirit without all the chopping and changing of last time around.

This doesn't mean that he wouldn't like more transfer activity, but probably no more than most managers during the pre season.
 
Cucking Funt said:
If players genuinely want to leave, you can't really stop them. I fail to see how the board could be blamed for that.
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Sorry what I meant was if the board have spoken to the players and the players have said they would like to go if the right offer comes in then that is unforgivable not to get cover in straight away. That is why I feel they are staying.
 
PatrickA said:
There's quite an illuminating interview with Glasner in Austria on the Palace website.

It may be that I and a few others on here overreacted to the couple of sentences he gave on transfers to the Austrian media.

He's very positive on the new season and made a big distinction between the last pre season and this pre season.
Unlike last pre season he says we have a settled squad with an established team spirit without all the chopping and changing of last time around.

This doesn't mean that he wouldn't like more transfer activity, but probably no more than most managers during the pre season.
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He also mentioned having had regular chats with the chairman and others about transfers during the off season.
 
Lanzo-Ad said:
No he isn't, when he gets Palace to above 3rd in the top division he can claim that
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Again showing you are an idiot and in your own bubble.

Which other manager has won a trophy NONE

At the end of the day this is the second year Palace have messed about with OG yes last year they did end up doing business but only because they was forced to.

We do look like amateur outfit a lot of time and this Europe stuff has shown it.

Time to stop doing everything on super cheap and in many areas put in some quality. (wont happen Tex was right under SP complete lack of ambition)
 
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