Crystal Palace vs. Arsenal match thread

[pssguy]

The good work that we have done, to make the goals difference better than the other relegation teams, is in danger of being undone.

🤔

On the bright side, we did open the gap up further with Ipswich

 

[adelaar]

The scoreline is embarrassing.
A disgraceful result on account of woeful defending and missing good chances.
Us poor supporters sat through that capitulation and I for one was steaming like a cooked clam.
I accept Arsenal are at a different level but to concede 5 in the manner that we did was totally unacceptable.

We have played 21 games in all competitions this season and have only kept 4 'Clean sheets'.

And did you discuss this with a learned gentleman in the pub who is 'in the know'?
My goodness you are a right pessimist. How you've survived supporting Palace all these years I have no idea if this is how you think every other week.
We are missing so many key players and OG correctly realised it was time to prioritise the next 2 key fixtures especially given the tight turnaround. I am glad he gave it a go in the cup as well, so today was simply not ideal timing.
Of course no one wants to see us ship 5 at home but it's a pretty rare deal, and he would have learned a lot about our squad.

 

[park the bus]

What happened here is a mirror of the season thus far. When we have a depleted first 11 OG doesn't compromise his core tactical approach and for the most part we look pretty clueless, not having the players to execute the plan. When we do have a full first 11 we are much better in all areas and are capable of securing a result.
I don't think OG will change fundamentally his approach, therefore it's a matter of improving the squad overall. Bringing on an overweight Schlupp late on sums it up perfectly.

 

[Gary St.Andrews]

Only better as they took their chances, equal shots on target, we had more shots but are just s*** at converting. JPM 1 and sarr 2 should have scored these.
Need to be more composed it looks.

We did not have the best shape on the right without Chalobah and Munoz, so Clyne and Richard’s were always going to struggle.

 

[PatrickA]

What happened here is a mirror of the season thus far. When we have a depleted first 11 OG doesn't compromise his core tactical approach and for the most part we look pretty clueless, not having the players to execute the plan. When we do have a full first 11 we are much better in all areas and are capable of securing a result.
I don't think OG will change fundamentally his approach, therefore it's a matter of improving the squad overall. Bringing on an overweight Schlupp late on sums it up perfectly.

I think this is right.

If we had to play Arsenal next week, he would set up with the same tactical approach, reasoning that the heavy defeat was an aberration due to uncharacteristic poor defending as opposed to fundamental systemic flaws.

While some of us may like to see a change of approach depending upon players available (e.g Munoz is a big miss in the system) or the ability of the opponent, Glasner is true to his core vision.

This clarity of purpose has served him well in his career and I suppose yesterday was uncharacteristic in terms of the weakness of our defending.
Hopefully a one off.

 

[Willo]

And did you discuss this with a learned gentleman in the pub who is 'in the know'?
My goodness you are a right pessimist. How you've survived supporting Palace all these years I have no idea if this is how you think every other week.
We are missing so many key players and OG correctly realised it was time to prioritise the next 2 key fixtures especially given the tight turnaround. I am glad he gave it a go in the cup as well, so today was simply not ideal timing.
Of course no one wants to see us ship 5 at home but it's a pretty rare deal, and he would have learned a lot about our squad.

I had a plethora of discussions with learned gentlemen at the game.

Apropos being a "Pessimist", I believe that in terms of our supporters when one has been defeated 5-1 at home on account of woeful defending, positivity is in short supply.
I for one had a fit of conniptions as goal after goal was conceded,tonsils leaving their moorings.
😡

 

[park the bus]

Look on the bright side - super sub Sorloth scored a cracking 96th minute smash and grab winner away to Barcelona...

 

[HesHereHesThere]

i hate it when big money signings are rubbish. Nketiah is taking the p1.55

I’m not sure it’s Nketiahs fault tbh - Freedman has pursued him for years and Parish signed the £32m cheque…ask any Arsenal fan and they’d say he’s always been a bit pony

 

[NEILLO]

I think this is right.

If we had to play Arsenal next week, he would set up with the same tactical approach, reasoning that the heavy defeat was an aberration due to uncharacteristic poor defending as opposed to fundamental systemic flaws.

While some of us may like to see a change of approach depending upon players available (e.g Munoz is a big miss in the system) or the ability of the opponent, Glasner is true to his core vision.

This clarity of purpose has served him well in his career and I suppose yesterday was uncharacteristic in terms of the weakness of our defending.
Hopefully a one off.

For better or for worse so is Postecoglou and Pep....first two that sprung to mind

 

[PalazioVecchio]

We lost to a money-team that has been gunning for the Title. No big deal. Get over it. Learn from the experience and move on. They paid 100 million for Declan Rice and we managed to limit him to only one goal.

Southampton, Ipswich, Wolves etc.............those are the games that we cannot afford to lose. And i still have confidence in the squad and Glasner.

 

[Aray]

Does anyone know why he dropped Trevor? I was beginning to warm to him.

 

[Willo]

We lost to a money-team that has been gunning for the Title. No big deal. Get over it. Learn from the experience and move on. They paid 100 million for Declan Rice and we managed to limit him to only one goal.

Southampton, Ipswich, Wolves etc.............those are the games that we cannot afford to lose. And i still have confidence in the squad and Glasner.

Whilst I accept Arsenal are on a more elevated level, the fact remains that we have been defeated twice in a few days, conceding 8 goals in the process.

In terms of the lowly teams you highlighted, Southampton and Wolves have just appointed new managers and of course might benefit from a 'Manager bounce'.

 

[Nutmegyeti]

I’m not sure it’s Nketiahs fault tbh - Freedman has pursued him for years and Parish signed the £32m cheque…ask any Arsenal fan and they’d say he’s always been a bit pony

And 4 weeks ago everyone was morning about Sarr. Look at him now

I trust Freedman’s eye for a player. In fact the one signing I’d suggest wasn’t his would be Kamada, who If he was a kamikaze pilot, would make the decision to go backwards.

 

[NEILLO]

Whilst I accept Arsenal are on a more elevated level, the fact remains that we have been defeated twice in a few days, conceding 8 goals in the process.

In terms of the lowly teams you highlighted, Southampton and Wolves have just appointed new managers and of course might benefit from a 'Manager bounce'.

Having attended both of the games against Arsenal, I actually thought that the only period in those games when Arsenal really dominated us was at the start of the second half at The Emirates. We were pinned in our own half and under immense pressure.

Yesterday was a more even contest in terms of shots/chances. Most of what they hit went in. And while yes, our defending was poor, we had decent chances that were spurned or saved.

I recall similar games in the past - 2 against Liverpool for example when we lost 1-6 and 0-7 at home.

 

[silvertop]

And did you discuss this with a learned gentleman in the pub who is 'in the know'?
My goodness you are a right pessimist. How you've survived supporting Palace all these years I have no idea if this is how you think every other week.
We are missing so many key players and OG correctly realised it was time to prioritise the next 2 key fixtures especially given the tight turnaround. I am glad he gave it a go in the cup as well, so today was simply not ideal timing.
Of course no one wants to see us ship 5 at home but it's a pretty rare deal, and he would have learned a lot about our squad.

On this rare occasion I am with Willo. All the points you make are valid... had we lost 1-2.

However this is the worst home result in the Premier League era from a team that had a pretty mean defence until then.

If we beat Bournemouth then that is the positive of yesterday. Otherwise, I see no positives.

 

[silvertop]

Does anyone know why he dropped Trevor? I was beginning to warm to him.

Rotation and fixture congestion I suspect

 

[grumpymort]

I’m not sure it’s Nketiahs fault tbh - Freedman has pursued him for years and Parish signed the £32m cheque…ask any Arsenal fan and they’d say he’s always been a bit pony

yeah and they refused to pay 15m a few seasons ago for him when PV was at the club showing again poor business.

this is typical palace they work of a list they have for years.

I just don't understand it why we keep over paying for these people or when we loan players and do not even put in clauses to purchase.

Positive is Nketiah may come good and plays at times (has some resell value as well) yet we paid around 25m for a Brazilian who is crocked.

 

[DenTyler]

Does anyone know why he dropped Trevor? I was beginning to warm to him.

My thinking is he can’t play against Chelsea so Olly wanted to see if Richard’s could fill the role.

Answers on a postcard to:
S Parish,
Get your cheque book out on 1st Jan
sign Trev so he can play
SE25

 

[1969eagle]

Fine margins always in premier league. Mateta and Saar both missed sitters when we were still in the game. Arsenal gifted ball breaks and undefended shots in the box. And they didn’t miss. Clyde had his worse game. Doesn’t help sitting on bench so long. Cover for Munoz n Mitchell a priority in January surely. We gave the 2nd best team a run for their money for 60 mins. As long as as we beat soton ( w Munoz n eBS and maybe Wharton back) all is on track still. Wondering what has happened to dacoure. He looked way off the pace.

 

[Willo]

And 4 weeks ago everyone was morning about Sarr. Look at him now

I trust Freedman’s eye for a player. In fact the one signing I’d suggest wasn’t his would be Kamada, who If he was a kamikaze pilot, would make the decision to go backwards.

Sarr was a tad 'Hit and miss' at Watford and I believe I mentioned on HOL that at the club he often played on the periphery and did not 'Turn up' for every game.

I understand that in his last 2 seasons at Watford he scored 1 in his last 12 games in one campaign and none in his last 10 matches in the other campaign.
He did score yesterday with some aplomb but spurned 2 good chances in the second half and of course who can forget his brace against Brighton !
Thus far he has been a positive influence in the team and long may it continue.