Crystal Palace vs. Arsenal match thread

[Frenchaigle]

Just watched Liverpool thrash Spurs. Ange getting slaughtered by the studio pundits but Carragher just compared it to Palace v Arses and said the Palace game was in the balance for 60 minutes while Spurs were beaten after 5 minutes.
Having said that he then said the current Spurs side are a better side than Palace. Personally aside from Solanke and Spence I wouldn’t take any of their players over our first eleven.

Was about to mention this game aswell ,as it was very similar to ours yesterday .
However I thought we were better than Spurs for 60 odd minutes .
We could of kept right in it if we had t aken our chances .
I also watched Everton Chelsea which reminded me of Roy ball .
At least we looked like a team going for it that believe that they are better than the league position suggests .

Yes Everton ground out a draw ,solid defence and hoping to nick one at the end .

End of the day ,do we want a return to Roy/Dyche ball or Glasner ball with the risks involved.

I'm with the latter .

 

[Den1923]

I can dream.

🙂 Have a good one!

 

[ex hibitionist]

I'm sorry to disagree, Willo is absolutely correct, we were abysmal, our passing was poor, defending a disgrace. Our problems stem from a paper thin squad, our bench is either full of unfit player, academy players who have no EPL experience, or players past their sell by date. On some occasions we even have to select more than one GK on the bench just to make up the numbers. Unless we accept that what we have is not good enough it is not going to get better!

I seem to remember 2nd half Henderson passing out to our full backs who switched play along the goal line before playing the ball into midfield, rotating then feeding Le Croix to play a 50 yard diagonal to Clyne who trapped it, played it inside, a few tricks and flicks to the left wing before a patient build back to the right side which resulted in a cross to Mateta in a one on one with their shaky centre halves which he didn't meet quite right so it went out for a goal kick. Must have been 30 odd passes all the way round the pitch, moving them around patiently, skillfully and intelligently to create openings - from goalie to striker. I wouldn't call that poor I'd call that top class. We panicked in defence when under pressure and we'd turn into their midfielders anticipating the get out, we ball-watched in defence instead of picking up markers, but their movement and team play is exceptional and causes chaos. Up till last night our back three was getting rave reviews. People are over-reacting to one match as always - we aint world beaters when we win and we aint rubbish when we lose. I didn't see too many poor passes from Hughes. I saw some great balls from Guehi and Le Croix. We were playing a fantastic Arsenal side - they did Sporting Lisbon 5-1 away in the CHAMPIONS LEAGUE a few weeks ago, and we looked better than the opposition that night. I hope we get a result at Bournemouth next up - but if we play well and lose as others have done I'll criticise what went wrong but I won't say everything about our performance was awful, only the errors that could and should have been avoided.

 

[Vectis]

Had similar thoughts yesterday about that match and a similar score line at Selhurst against Chelsea that season. Realised yesterday that I still wasn’t over it :-(

Also was at all those games in 1969/70 and agree it’s still upsetting thinking back on it! Such high hopes only to see the team thrashed. Seem to still recall a rampant performance by Peter Osgood in the Chelsea games and their supporters giving it large. In many ways, not a lot’s changed in 55 years. Apart from the occasional highlights, like the 1990/91 season, still waiting for the club to consistently perform and hold their own in England’s top division. Even Bournemouth these days are talking up their chances of European, even Champions League, qualification. We can only hope for the same, but as many have said, it’s the hope that kills you!

 

[ex hibitionist]

Also was at all those games in 1969/70 and agree it’s still upsetting thinking back on it! Such high hopes only to see the team thrashed. Seem to still recall a rampant performance by Peter Osgood in the Chelsea games and their supporters giving it large. In many ways, not a lot’s changed in 55 years. Apart from the occasional highlights, like the 1990/91 season, still waiting for the club to consistently perform and hold their own in England’s top division. Even Bournemouth these days are talking up their chances of European, even Champions League, qualification. We can only hope for the same, but as many have said, it’s the hope that kills you!

We didn't win a league derby back then till Jim Cannon's debut in '73 v Chelsea when the first thing he did was kick Osgood about five foot off the ground. Unlike back then we now share the spoils with West Ham and do occasionally beat the big three. Like to see those 49,000 crowds back, 35,000 will have to do but it's gonna be three years at least. John McCormick, David Payne, Phil Hoadley ... all fine servants, but I'd say we've definitely upgraded and I think we are making progress now instead of treading water, back in the claret and blue days every season was a relegation battle, we've had some slight flirtations with it but we're always safe by April and usually earlier. Onwards and upwards, in Ollie we trust!

 

[Eaglecoops]

I seem to remember 2nd half Henderson passing out to our full backs who switched play along the goal line before playing the ball into midfield, rotating then feeding Le Croix to play a 50 yard diagonal to Clyne who trapped it, played it inside, a few tricks and flicks to the left wing before a patient build back to the right side which resulted in a cross to Mateta in a one on one with their shaky centre halves which he didn't meet quite right so it went out for a goal kick. Must have been 30 odd passes all the way round the pitch, moving them around patiently, skillfully and intelligently to create openings - from goalie to striker. I wouldn't call that poor I'd call that top class. We panicked in defence when under pressure and we'd turn into their midfielders anticipating the get out, we ball-watched in defence instead of picking up markers, but their movement and team play is exceptional and causes chaos. Up till last night our back three was getting rave reviews. People are over-reacting to one match as always - we aint world beaters when we win and we aint rubbish when we lose. I didn't see too many poor passes from Hughes. I saw some great balls from Guehi and Le Croix. We were playing a fantastic Arsenal side - they did Sporting Lisbon 5-1 away in the CHAMPIONS LEAGUE a few weeks ago, and we looked better than the opposition that night. I hope we get a result at Bournemouth next up - but if we play well and lose as others have done I'll criticise what went wrong but I won't say everything about our performance was awful, only the errors that could and should have been avoided.

His name is Lacroix, not Le Croix but that is not important.

You obviously feel that we are better than the scoreline suggests and I have some empathy with that viewpoint, however we are a PL side and we should fully expect to be capable of and have exceptional moments during the course of any game otherwise we wouldn’t be in the PL in the first place.

Our problem is we have too many poor moments amongst the exceptional ones and most fans see the game in the round so it is quite reasonable to take the view that a 5-1 drubbing is a poor result despite the flashes of good play.

What you are not taking into account is most Palace fans will by next week have forgotten that result and be totally convinced we will annihilate the next opposition anyway so it’s not really an issue if we vent our spleen straight after a game.

Tomorrow’s another day. COYP

 

[Willo]

We didn't win a league derby back then till Jim Cannon's debut in '73 v Chelsea when the first thing he did was kick Osgood about five foot off the ground. Unlike back then we now share the spoils with West Ham and do occasionally beat the big three. Like to see those 49,000 crowds back, 35,000 will have to do but it's gonna be three years at least. John McCormick, David Payne, Phil Hoadley ... all fine servants, but I'd say we've definitely upgraded and I think we are making progress now instead of treading water, back in the claret and blue days every season was a relegation battle, we've had some slight flirtations with it but we're always safe by April and usually earlier. Onwards and upwards, in Ollie we trust!

In actual fact Jim Cannon scored on his debut in a 2-0 victory.
Steve Kember was in the Chelsea Line-Up.
I was present at the game.

 

[adelaar]

I had a plethora of discussions with learned gentlemen at the game.

Apropos being a "Pessimist", I believe that in terms of our supporters when one has been defeated 5-1 at home on account of woeful defending, positivity is in short supply.
I for one had a fit of conniptions as goal after goal was conceded,tonsils leaving their moorings.
😡

When just a week before we had our best result of the season, turning up against our biggest rivals at the Amex.
We are Palace and will never dominate teams in the Prem. For your health I recommend to relax!

 

[dreamwaverider]

Was about to mention this game aswell ,as it was very similar to ours yesterday .
However I thought we were better than Spurs for 60 odd minutes .
We could of kept right in it if we had t aken our chances .
I also watched Everton Chelsea which reminded me of Roy ball .
At least we looked like a team going for it that believe that they are better than the league position suggests .

Yes Everton ground out a draw ,solid defence and hoping to nick one at the end .

End of the day ,do we want a return to Roy/Dyche ball or Glasner ball with the risks involved.

I'm with the latter .

Isn't that when Kemada was taken off?

 

[dreamwaverider]

Personally, I would start Devenny before Kemada all day long.

 

[NEILLO]

Everton grind out 2 0-0 draws and get 2 points from 2 tough games.

Palace take a different approach and get 3 points from 2 tough games.

I always supported Roy and his methods ( at least until the Olise sub at the Amex last year when I couldn't continue to do so ), and they historically achieved the objective of keeping us in the EPL. But largely at the expense of any excitement.

OG at least sets out to try to win games and for his players to focus on their game rather than worry overmuch about what the opposition are going to do.

In comparing the Arsenal game with the Spurs match yesterday, I really think Liverpool could have scored 10. Whereas I think Arsenal's conversion was something like 5 goals from 6 on target attempts.

I think Glasner was pretty much spot on with his post match analysis. The difference boiled down to below par performance in both penalty areas - poor defending at one end, missed chances at the other.

Room for improvement then but I would be more concerned if we weren't creating chances.

 

[Willo]

Everton grind out 2 0-0 draws and get 2 points from 2 tough games.

Palace take a different approach and get 3 points from 2 tough games.

I always supported Roy and his methods ( at least until the Olise sub at the Amex last year when I couldn't continue to do so ), and they historically achieved the objective of keeping us in the EPL. But largely at the expense of any excitement.

OG at least sets out to try to win games and for his players to focus on their game rather than worry overmuch about what the opposition are going to do.

In comparing the Arsenal game with the Spurs match yesterday, I really think Liverpool could have scored 10. Whereas I think Arsenal's conversion was something like 5 goals from 6 on target attempts.

I think Glasner was pretty much spot on with his post match analysis. The difference boiled down to below par performance in both penalty areas - poor defending at one end, missed chances at the other.

Room for improvement then but I would be more concerned if we weren't creating chances.

I am plugged-in to these sentiments, we are 'Birds on the same twig'.