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[mogrem]

Hitler was a Catholic, and Nazism was deeply interwoven with Norse Paganism and borrowed from numerous religious traditions. The NSDAP encouraged church attendance for it’s citizens and it was considered part of the Aryan ideal.

Hitler was not a chatolic. Well maybe he was, like we are made out to be in the west world. But are you really if you never go to church?

Where did you come up with that? The german werhmacht had "Gott mitt uns" ("God with Us") inscribed in their belts. Germany during ww2 was protestantic mostly but 93+% was protestantic/chatolic.The else was, well you know. The 0.1% fanatics trying to discover supernatural pagan things is just a myth? Or is it?

And yes. Why is this in Palace talk

 

[georgenorman]

Hitler was a Catholic, and Nazism was deeply interwoven with Norse Paganism and borrowed from numerous religious traditions. The NSDAP encouraged church attendance for it’s citizens and it was considered part of the Aryan ideal.

He is recorded, in private conversations, as saying Christianity was an "absurdity" and "humbug" founded on "lies". His confessions would have been pretty lengthy if he had been a practicing Catholic - probably longer than Gerry Adams's.

 

[beak]

I presume we're interested in signing Jobe. But we didn't sign Solomon.

A lack of judgement?

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

There is (disputed) evidence for intelligent design. Just not evidence that makes its way into current mainstream textbooks.

Why on earth would we have to define 'intelligent' to debate the topic? Who set those rules?
Besides, any dictionary defines the word.
It is self-evident that the manipulation of dna would require very advanced knowledge and abilities. But humans are capable of it right now, so obviously it can be debated and is being debated.

You ask "Would such an idea not beg the question, who created the creator?" Well Richard Dawkins seems to think that is an intractable obstacle to further discussion.
Curiously, the same people who ask this are frequently the same people who give the Big Bang a free pass.
My view is that such questions are perhaps beyond the realms of understanding that humans are currently capable of. It is an argument dependent on an acceptance of time as linear.
Either way, it is not an argument that precludes intelligent design.

There is no evidence. .

There is the scientific method and then there is speculation. Anyone can speculate.

In order to discuss intelligent design, one needs to know what we are talking about.
Are we talking about God? Aliens? What?

Who gives the Big Bang a free pass? There is much debate about it all the time. It is one of the current and long standing theories about the formation of the universe, which has been cast into doubt by recent observations. That's how science works. It requires evidence.

Where is your evidence for intelligent design?

 

[Palacesince64]

There is no evidence. .

There is the scientific method and then there is speculation. Anyone can speculate.

In order to discuss intelligent design, one needs to know what we are talking about.
Are we talking about God? Aliens? What?

Who gives the Big Bang a free pass? There is much debate about it all the time. It is one of the current and long standing theories about the formation of the universe, which has been cast into doubt by recent observations. That's how science works. It requires evidence.

Where is your evidence for intelligent design?

Jesus! This is a heavy debate for a Palace message board! Personally I’m a daoist. I believe the universe has a fundamental energy of which we are a small part and in a few years time (hopefully not too soon) when this ageing body packs in I shall return to the dao, be reconnected with the energy and be ready for my next adventure. Meantime I shall enjoy seeing Palace grow to b a Champions League club embracing players of all faiths and none.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Jesus! This is a heavy debate for a Palace message board! Personally I’m a daoist. I believe the universe has a fundamental energy of which we are a small part and in a few years time (hopefully not too soon) when this ageing body packs in I shall return to the dao, be reconnected with the energy and be ready for my next adventure. Meantime I shall enjoy seeing Palace grow to b a Champions League club embracing players of all faiths and none.

Well the universe is certainly just forms of energy in different states.

The question of consciousness continuing to exist once our physical bodies pass on is what occupies most minds. I see no evidence for it myself but I would certainly like to be wrong as the thought of being reunited with loved ones is a comfort.

However, I don't believe the universe, whatever the nature of it is, has anything to do with 'feelings'.

I think the best we can do is try to leave things better for our part genetic representatives who come after us as I think that's how we live on.

 

[Nicholas91]

Well the universe is certainly just forms of energy in different states.

The question of consciousness continuing to exist once our physical bodies pass on is what occupies most minds. I see no evidence for it myself but I would certainly like to be wrong as the thought of being reunited with love ones is a comfort.

However, I don't believe the universe, whatever the nature of it is, has anything to do with 'feelings'.

I think the best we can do is try to leave things better for our part genetic representatives who come after us as I think that's how we live on.

I wouldn't count on the redevelopment of the Main Stand being one of those 'things'.

 

[McAhuna]

There is no evidence. .

There is the scientific method and then there is speculation. Anyone can speculate.

In order to discuss intelligent design, one needs to know what we are talking about.
Are we talking about God? Aliens? What?

Who gives the Big Bang a free pass? There is much debate about it all the time. It is one of the current and long standing theories about the formation of the universe, which has been cast into doubt by recent observations. That's how science works. It requires evidence.

Where is your evidence for intelligent design?

Intelligent design warrants serious debate at Cambridge University. So I don't think it is beneath any of us here, do you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0qbigRMqW8

You don't need to know whether you are talking about God or Aliens or whatever. Investigation of the evidence leads to the formulation of possible conclusions. If indeed we are capable of comprehending the conclusions.
You are not expected to know the answer before examining the evidence. That's not how science works!

 

[McAhuna]

Why is this in Palace talk?

Because our players and Manager are God-botherers who point at the sky when celebrating and stuff.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Intelligent design warrants serious debate at Cambridge University. So I don't think it is beneath any of us here, do you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0qbigRMqW8

You don't need to know whether you are talking about God or Aliens or whatever. Investigation of the evidence leads to the formulation of possible conclusions. If indeed we are capable of comprehending the conclusions.
You are not expected to know the answer before examining the evidence. That's not how science works!

You can debate it all you like. You can believe what you like.

There is no evidence. It is the philosophy of ignorance. For a theory to be taken serious, it has to be supported by observation or repeatable results from experimentation.
Discovering the reality of things is not done by indulging in half arsed mumbo jumbo.
It is no better than faith without some kind of empirical basis.

 

[McAhuna]

You can debate it all you like. You can believe what you like.

There is no evidence. It is the philosophy of ignorance. For a theory to be taken serious, it has to be supported by observation or repeatable results from experimentation.
Discovering the reality of things is not done by indulging in half arsed mumbo jumbo.
It is no better than faith without some kind of empirical basis.

Here you go. You should get in touch with them, tell them their evidence doesn't actually exist, tell them they are ignorant and explain to them how science is done..

A selection of the peer-reviewed scientific publications supportive of intelligent design published in scientific journals, conference proceedings, or academic anthologies:

• Stephen C. Meyer, “The origin of biological information and the higher taxonomic categories,” Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington, Vol. 117(2):213-239 (2004) (HTML).
• Michael J. Behe, “Experimental Evolution, Loss-of-Function Mutations, and ‘The First Rule of Adaptive Evolution,’” The Quarterly Review of Biology, Vol. 85(4):1-27 (December 2010).
• Douglas D. Axe, “Estimating the Prevalence of Protein Sequences Adopting Functional Enzyme Folds,” Journal of Molecular Biology, Vol. 341:1295–1315 (2004).
• Michael Behe and David W. Snoke, “Simulating evolution by gene duplication of protein features that require multiple amino acid residues,” Protein Science, Vol. 13 (2004).
• William A. Dembski and Robert J. Marks II, “The Search for a Search: Measuring the Information Cost of Higher Level Search,” Journal of Advanced Computational Intelligence and Intelligent Informatics, Vol. 14 (5):475-486 (2010).
• Ann K. Gauger and Douglas D. Axe, “The Evolutionary Accessibility of New Enzyme Functions: A Case Study from the Biotin Pathway,” BIO-Complexity, Vol. 2011(1) (2011).
• Ann K. Gauger, Stephanie Ebnet, Pamela F. Fahey, and Ralph Seelke, “Reductive Evolution Can Prevent Populations from Taking Simple Adaptive Paths to High Fitness,” BIO-Complexity, Vol. 2010 (2) (2010).
• Winston Ewert, “AminoGraph Analysis of the Auditory Protein Prestin From Bats and Whales Reveals a Dependency-Graph Signal That Is Missed by the Standard Convergence Model,” BIO-Complexity, 2023: 1 (2023).
• Steinar Thorvaldsen and Ola Hössjer, “Estimating the information content of genetic sequence data,” Journal of the Royal Statistical Society: Series C: Applied Statistics, 2023: qlad062 (2023).
• Richard S. Gunasekera, Komal K. B. Raja, Suresh Hewapathirana, Emanuel Tundrea, Vinodh Gunasekera, Thushara Galbadage, and Paul A. Nelson, “ORFanID: A web-based search engine for the discovery and identification of orphan and taxonomically restricted gens,” PLOS One, 18 (10): e0291260 (2023).
• Stuart Burgess, Alex Beeston, Joshua Carr, Kallia Siempou, Maya Simmonds, and Yasmin Zanker, “A Bio-Inspired Arched Foot with Individual Toe Joints and Plantar Fascia,” Biomimetics, 8 (6): 455 (2023).
• Olen R. Brown and David A. Hullender, “Neo-Darwinism must Mutate to survive,” Progress in Biophysics and Molecular Biology, 172: 24-38 (2022).
• Ola Hössjer, Günter Bechly, and Ann Gauger, “On the waiting time until coordinated mutations get fixed in regulatory sequences,” Journal of Theoretical Biology, Vol. 524: 110657 (2021).
• Steinar Thorvaldsen and Ola Hössjer, “Using statistical methods to model the fine-tuning of molecular machines and systems,” Journal of Theoretical Biology, 501: 110352 (September 21, 2020).
• Ola Hössjer and Ann Gauger, “A single-couple origin is possible,” BIO-Complexity, 2019: 1 (2019).
• Ola Hössjer, Günter Bechly, and Ann Gauger, “Phase-type distribution approximations of the waiting time until coordinated mutations get fixed in a population.” Chapter 12 in: Silvestrov, S., Malyarenko, A. & Rancic, M. (eds): Stochastic Processes and Algebraic Structures – From Theory Towards Applications. Volume 1: Stochastic Processes and Applications. Springer Proceedings in Mathematics and Statistics, 271: 245-313 (2018).
• Wolf-Ekkehard Lönnig, “Mendel’s Paper on the Laws of Heredity (1866): Solving the Enigma of the Most Famous ‘Sleeping Beauty’ in Science,” eLS (Jon Wiley & Sons, 2017).
• Paul A. Nelson and Richard J.A. Buggs, “Next Generation Apomorphy: The Ubiquity of Taxonomically Restricted Genes,” in Next Generation Systematics, ed. Peter D. Olson, Joseph Hughes, and James A. Cotton (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2016), pp. 237-263.
• Dustin J. Van Hofwegen, Carolyn J. Hovde, and Scott A. Minnich, “Rapid Evolution of Citrate Utilization by Escherichia coli by Direct Selection Requires citT and dctA,” Journal of Bacteriology, 198 (7): 1022-1034 (2016).
• David W. Snoke, Jeffrey Cox, and Donald Petcher, “Suboptimality and Complexity in Evolution,” Complexity, 21(1): 322-327 (September/October, 2015).
• Jonathan Wells, “Membrane Patterns Carry Ontogenetic Information That Is Specified Independently of DNA,” BIO-Complexity, 2014: 2 (2014).
• Wolf-Ekkehard Lönnig, “Mutagenesis in Physalis pubescens L. ssp. floridana: Some further research on Dollo’s Law and the Law of Recurrent Variation,” Floriculture and Ornamental Biotechnology, 1-21 (2010).
• Vladimir I. shCherbak and Maxim A. Makukov, “The ‘Wow! Signal’ of the terrestrial genetic code,” Icarus, Vol. 224 (1): 228-242 (May, 2013).
• Joseph A. Kuhn, “Dissecting Darwinism,” Baylor University Medical Center Proceedings, Vol. 25(1): 41-47 (2012).
• Winston Ewert, William A. Dembski, and Robert J. Marks II, “Evolutionary Synthesis of Nand Logic: Dissecting a Digital Organism,” Proceedings of the 2009 IEEE International Conference on Systems, Man, and Cybernetics, pp. 3047-3053 (October, 2009).
• Douglas D. Axe, Brendan W. Dixon, Philip Lu, “Stylus: A System for Evolutionary Experimentation Based on a Protein/Proteome Model with Non-Arbitrary Functional Constraints,” PLoS One, Vol. 3(6):e2246 (June 2008).
• Kirk K. Durston, David K. Y. Chiu, David L. Abel, Jack T. Trevors, “Measuring the functional sequence complexity of proteins,” Theoretical Biology and Medical Modelling, Vol. 4:47 (2007).
• David L. Abel and Jack T. Trevors, “Self-organization vs. self-ordering events in life-origin models,” Physics of Life Reviews, Vol. 3:211–228 (2006).
• Frank J. Tipler, “Intelligent Life in Cosmology,” International Journal of Astrobiology, Vol. 2(2): 141-148 (2003).
• Michael J. Denton, Craig J. Marshall, and Michael Legge, “The Protein Folds as Platonic Forms: New Support for the pre-Darwinian Conception of Evolution by Natural Law,” Journal of Theoretical Biology, Vol. 219: 325-342 (2002).
• Stanley L. Jaki, “Teaching of Transcendence in Physics,” American Journal of Physics, Vol. 55(10):884-888 (October 1987).
• Granville Sewell, “Postscript,” in Analysis of a Finite Element Method: PDE/PROTRAN(New York: Springer Verlag, 1985).
• A.C. McIntosh, “Evidence of design in bird feathers and avian respiration,”International Journal of Design & Nature and Ecodynamics, Vol. 4(2):154–169 (2009).
• Richard v. Sternberg, “DNA Codes and Information: Formal Structures and Relational Causes,” Acta Biotheoretica, Vol. 56(3):205-232 (September, 2008).
• Wolf-Ekkehard Lönnig and Heinz Saedler, “Chromosome Rearrangement and Transposable Elements,” Annual Review of Genetics, Vol. 36:389–410 (2002).
• Douglas D. Axe, “Extreme Functional Sensitivity to Conservative Amino Acid Changes on Enzyme Exteriors,” Journal of Molecular Biology, Vol. 301:585-595 (2000).
• William A. Dembski, The Design Inference: Eliminating Chance through Small Probabilities (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1998).

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Here you go. You should get in touch with them, tell them their evidence doesn't actually exist, tell them they are ignorant and explain to them how science is done..

A selection of the peer-reviewed scientific publications supportive of intelligent design published in scientific journals, conference proceedings, or academic anthologies:

• Stephen C. Meyer, “The origin of biological information and the higher taxonomic categories,” Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington, Vol. 117(2):213-239 (2004) (HTML).
• Michael J. Behe, “Experimental Evolution, Loss-of-Function Mutations, and ‘The First Rule of Adaptive Evolution,’” The Quarterly Review of Biology, Vol. 85(4):1-27 (December 2010).
• Douglas D. Axe, “Estimating the Prevalence of Protein Sequences Adopting Functional Enzyme Folds,” Journal of Molecular Biology, Vol. 341:1295–1315 (2004).
• Michael Behe and David W. Snoke, “Simulating evolution by gene duplication of protein features that require multiple amino acid residues,” Protein Science, Vol. 13 (2004).
• William A. Dembski and Robert J. Marks II, “The Search for a Search: Measuring the Information Cost of Higher Level Search,” Journal of Advanced Computational Intelligence and Intelligent Informatics, Vol. 14 (5):475-486 (2010).
• Ann K. Gauger and Douglas D. Axe, “The Evolutionary Accessibility of New Enzyme Functions: A Case Study from the Biotin Pathway,” BIO-Complexity, Vol. 2011(1) (2011).
• Ann K. Gauger, Stephanie Ebnet, Pamela F. Fahey, and Ralph Seelke, “Reductive Evolution Can Prevent Populations from Taking Simple Adaptive Paths to High Fitness,” BIO-Complexity, Vol. 2010 (2) (2010).
• Winston Ewert, “AminoGraph Analysis of the Auditory Protein Prestin From Bats and Whales Reveals a Dependency-Graph Signal That Is Missed by the Standard Convergence Model,” BIO-Complexity, 2023: 1 (2023).
• Steinar Thorvaldsen and Ola Hössjer, “Estimating the information content of genetic sequence data,” Journal of the Royal Statistical Society: Series C: Applied Statistics, 2023: qlad062 (2023).
• Richard S. Gunasekera, Komal K. B. Raja, Suresh Hewapathirana, Emanuel Tundrea, Vinodh Gunasekera, Thushara Galbadage, and Paul A. Nelson, “ORFanID: A web-based search engine for the discovery and identification of orphan and taxonomically restricted gens,” PLOS One, 18 (10): e0291260 (2023).
• Stuart Burgess, Alex Beeston, Joshua Carr, Kallia Siempou, Maya Simmonds, and Yasmin Zanker, “A Bio-Inspired Arched Foot with Individual Toe Joints and Plantar Fascia,” Biomimetics, 8 (6): 455 (2023).
• Olen R. Brown and David A. Hullender, “Neo-Darwinism must Mutate to survive,” Progress in Biophysics and Molecular Biology, 172: 24-38 (2022).
• Ola Hössjer, Günter Bechly, and Ann Gauger, “On the waiting time until coordinated mutations get fixed in regulatory sequences,” Journal of Theoretical Biology, Vol. 524: 110657 (2021).
• Steinar Thorvaldsen and Ola Hössjer, “Using statistical methods to model the fine-tuning of molecular machines and systems,” Journal of Theoretical Biology, 501: 110352 (September 21, 2020).
• Ola Hössjer and Ann Gauger, “A single-couple origin is possible,” BIO-Complexity, 2019: 1 (2019).
• Ola Hössjer, Günter Bechly, and Ann Gauger, “Phase-type distribution approximations of the waiting time until coordinated mutations get fixed in a population.” Chapter 12 in: Silvestrov, S., Malyarenko, A. & Rancic, M. (eds): Stochastic Processes and Algebraic Structures – From Theory Towards Applications. Volume 1: Stochastic Processes and Applications. Springer Proceedings in Mathematics and Statistics, 271: 245-313 (2018).
• Wolf-Ekkehard Lönnig, “Mendel’s Paper on the Laws of Heredity (1866): Solving the Enigma of the Most Famous ‘Sleeping Beauty’ in Science,” eLS (Jon Wiley & Sons, 2017).
• Paul A. Nelson and Richard J.A. Buggs, “Next Generation Apomorphy: The Ubiquity of Taxonomically Restricted Genes,” in Next Generation Systematics, ed. Peter D. Olson, Joseph Hughes, and James A. Cotton (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2016), pp. 237-263.
• Dustin J. Van Hofwegen, Carolyn J. Hovde, and Scott A. Minnich, “Rapid Evolution of Citrate Utilization by Escherichia coli by Direct Selection Requires citT and dctA,” Journal of Bacteriology, 198 (7): 1022-1034 (2016).
• David W. Snoke, Jeffrey Cox, and Donald Petcher, “Suboptimality and Complexity in Evolution,” Complexity, 21(1): 322-327 (September/October, 2015).
• Jonathan Wells, “Membrane Patterns Carry Ontogenetic Information That Is Specified Independently of DNA,” BIO-Complexity, 2014: 2 (2014).
• Wolf-Ekkehard Lönnig, “Mutagenesis in Physalis pubescens L. ssp. floridana: Some further research on Dollo’s Law and the Law of Recurrent Variation,” Floriculture and Ornamental Biotechnology, 1-21 (2010).
• Vladimir I. shCherbak and Maxim A. Makukov, “The ‘Wow! Signal’ of the terrestrial genetic code,” Icarus, Vol. 224 (1): 228-242 (May, 2013).
• Joseph A. Kuhn, “Dissecting Darwinism,” Baylor University Medical Center Proceedings, Vol. 25(1): 41-47 (2012).
• Winston Ewert, William A. Dembski, and Robert J. Marks II, “Evolutionary Synthesis of Nand Logic: Dissecting a Digital Organism,” Proceedings of the 2009 IEEE International Conference on Systems, Man, and Cybernetics, pp. 3047-3053 (October, 2009).
• Douglas D. Axe, Brendan W. Dixon, Philip Lu, “Stylus: A System for Evolutionary Experimentation Based on a Protein/Proteome Model with Non-Arbitrary Functional Constraints,” PLoS One, Vol. 3(6):e2246 (June 2008).
• Kirk K. Durston, David K. Y. Chiu, David L. Abel, Jack T. Trevors, “Measuring the functional sequence complexity of proteins,” Theoretical Biology and Medical Modelling, Vol. 4:47 (2007).
• David L. Abel and Jack T. Trevors, “Self-organization vs. self-ordering events in life-origin models,” Physics of Life Reviews, Vol. 3:211–228 (2006).
• Frank J. Tipler, “Intelligent Life in Cosmology,” International Journal of Astrobiology, Vol. 2(2): 141-148 (2003).
• Michael J. Denton, Craig J. Marshall, and Michael Legge, “The Protein Folds as Platonic Forms: New Support for the pre-Darwinian Conception of Evolution by Natural Law,” Journal of Theoretical Biology, Vol. 219: 325-342 (2002).
• Stanley L. Jaki, “Teaching of Transcendence in Physics,” American Journal of Physics, Vol. 55(10):884-888 (October 1987).
• Granville Sewell, “Postscript,” in Analysis of a Finite Element Method: PDE/PROTRAN(New York: Springer Verlag, 1985).
• A.C. McIntosh, “Evidence of design in bird feathers and avian respiration,”International Journal of Design & Nature and Ecodynamics, Vol. 4(2):154–169 (2009).
• Richard v. Sternberg, “DNA Codes and Information: Formal Structures and Relational Causes,” Acta Biotheoretica, Vol. 56(3):205-232 (September, 2008).
• Wolf-Ekkehard Lönnig and Heinz Saedler, “Chromosome Rearrangement and Transposable Elements,” Annual Review of Genetics, Vol. 36:389–410 (2002).
• Douglas D. Axe, “Extreme Functional Sensitivity to Conservative Amino Acid Changes on Enzyme Exteriors,” Journal of Molecular Biology, Vol. 301:585-595 (2000).
• William A. Dembski, The Design Inference: Eliminating Chance through Small Probabilities (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1998).

Would you like to save me a bit of time and just give one or two examples of the 'evidence' for intelligent design?

It should be entertaining.

 

[McAhuna]

Would you like to save me a bit of time and just give one or two examples of the 'evidence' for intelligent design?

It should be entertaining.

Provided it is passages from the confirmed peer-reviewed scientific papers above and you confirm which specific paper you are quoting, then please, go ahead.

See you in about 6 months.

 

[berlinpalace]

Here you go. You should get in touch with them, tell them their evidence doesn't actually exist, tell them they are ignorant and explain to them how science is done..

A selection of the peer-reviewed scientific publications supportive of intelligent design published in scientific journals, conference proceedings, or academic anthologies:

• Stephen C. Meyer, “The origin of biological information and the higher taxonomic categories,” Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington, Vol. 117(2):213-239 (2004) (HTML).
• Michael J. Behe, “Experimental Evolution, Loss-of-Function Mutations, and ‘The First Rule of Adaptive Evolution,’” The Quarterly Review of Biology, Vol. 85(4):1-27 (December 2010).
• Douglas D. Axe, “Estimating the Prevalence of Protein Sequences Adopting Functional Enzyme Folds,” Journal of Molecular Biology, Vol. 341:1295–1315 (2004).
• Michael Behe and David W. Snoke, “Simulating evolution by gene duplication of protein features that require multiple amino acid residues,” Protein Science, Vol. 13 (2004).
• William A. Dembski and Robert J. Marks II, “The Search for a Search: Measuring the Information Cost of Higher Level Search,” Journal of Advanced Computational Intelligence and Intelligent Informatics, Vol. 14 (5):475-486 (2010).
• Ann K. Gauger and Douglas D. Axe, “The Evolutionary Accessibility of New Enzyme Functions: A Case Study from the Biotin Pathway,” BIO-Complexity, Vol. 2011(1) (2011).
• Ann K. Gauger, Stephanie Ebnet, Pamela F. Fahey, and Ralph Seelke, “Reductive Evolution Can Prevent Populations from Taking Simple Adaptive Paths to High Fitness,” BIO-Complexity, Vol. 2010 (2) (2010).
• Winston Ewert, “AminoGraph Analysis of the Auditory Protein Prestin From Bats and Whales Reveals a Dependency-Graph Signal That Is Missed by the Standard Convergence Model,” BIO-Complexity, 2023: 1 (2023).
• Steinar Thorvaldsen and Ola Hössjer, “Estimating the information content of genetic sequence data,” Journal of the Royal Statistical Society: Series C: Applied Statistics, 2023: qlad062 (2023).
• Richard S. Gunasekera, Komal K. B. Raja, Suresh Hewapathirana, Emanuel Tundrea, Vinodh Gunasekera, Thushara Galbadage, and Paul A. Nelson, “ORFanID: A web-based search engine for the discovery and identification of orphan and taxonomically restricted gens,” PLOS One, 18 (10): e0291260 (2023).
• Stuart Burgess, Alex Beeston, Joshua Carr, Kallia Siempou, Maya Simmonds, and Yasmin Zanker, “A Bio-Inspired Arched Foot with Individual Toe Joints and Plantar Fascia,” Biomimetics, 8 (6): 455 (2023).
• Olen R. Brown and David A. Hullender, “Neo-Darwinism must Mutate to survive,” Progress in Biophysics and Molecular Biology, 172: 24-38 (2022).
• Ola Hössjer, Günter Bechly, and Ann Gauger, “On the waiting time until coordinated mutations get fixed in regulatory sequences,” Journal of Theoretical Biology, Vol. 524: 110657 (2021).
• Steinar Thorvaldsen and Ola Hössjer, “Using statistical methods to model the fine-tuning of molecular machines and systems,” Journal of Theoretical Biology, 501: 110352 (September 21, 2020).
• Ola Hössjer and Ann Gauger, “A single-couple origin is possible,” BIO-Complexity, 2019: 1 (2019).
• Ola Hössjer, Günter Bechly, and Ann Gauger, “Phase-type distribution approximations of the waiting time until coordinated mutations get fixed in a population.” Chapter 12 in: Silvestrov, S., Malyarenko, A. & Rancic, M. (eds): Stochastic Processes and Algebraic Structures – From Theory Towards Applications. Volume 1: Stochastic Processes and Applications. Springer Proceedings in Mathematics and Statistics, 271: 245-313 (2018).
• Wolf-Ekkehard Lönnig, “Mendel’s Paper on the Laws of Heredity (1866): Solving the Enigma of the Most Famous ‘Sleeping Beauty’ in Science,” eLS (Jon Wiley & Sons, 2017).
• Paul A. Nelson and Richard J.A. Buggs, “Next Generation Apomorphy: The Ubiquity of Taxonomically Restricted Genes,” in Next Generation Systematics, ed. Peter D. Olson, Joseph Hughes, and James A. Cotton (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2016), pp. 237-263.
• Dustin J. Van Hofwegen, Carolyn J. Hovde, and Scott A. Minnich, “Rapid Evolution of Citrate Utilization by Escherichia coli by Direct Selection Requires citT and dctA,” Journal of Bacteriology, 198 (7): 1022-1034 (2016).
• David W. Snoke, Jeffrey Cox, and Donald Petcher, “Suboptimality and Complexity in Evolution,” Complexity, 21(1): 322-327 (September/October, 2015).
• Jonathan Wells, “Membrane Patterns Carry Ontogenetic Information That Is Specified Independently of DNA,” BIO-Complexity, 2014: 2 (2014).
• Wolf-Ekkehard Lönnig, “Mutagenesis in Physalis pubescens L. ssp. floridana: Some further research on Dollo’s Law and the Law of Recurrent Variation,” Floriculture and Ornamental Biotechnology, 1-21 (2010).
• Vladimir I. shCherbak and Maxim A. Makukov, “The ‘Wow! Signal’ of the terrestrial genetic code,” Icarus, Vol. 224 (1): 228-242 (May, 2013).
• Joseph A. Kuhn, “Dissecting Darwinism,” Baylor University Medical Center Proceedings, Vol. 25(1): 41-47 (2012).
• Winston Ewert, William A. Dembski, and Robert J. Marks II, “Evolutionary Synthesis of Nand Logic: Dissecting a Digital Organism,” Proceedings of the 2009 IEEE International Conference on Systems, Man, and Cybernetics, pp. 3047-3053 (October, 2009).
• Douglas D. Axe, Brendan W. Dixon, Philip Lu, “Stylus: A System for Evolutionary Experimentation Based on a Protein/Proteome Model with Non-Arbitrary Functional Constraints,” PLoS One, Vol. 3(6):e2246 (June 2008).
• Kirk K. Durston, David K. Y. Chiu, David L. Abel, Jack T. Trevors, “Measuring the functional sequence complexity of proteins,” Theoretical Biology and Medical Modelling, Vol. 4:47 (2007).
• David L. Abel and Jack T. Trevors, “Self-organization vs. self-ordering events in life-origin models,” Physics of Life Reviews, Vol. 3:211–228 (2006).
• Frank J. Tipler, “Intelligent Life in Cosmology,” International Journal of Astrobiology, Vol. 2(2): 141-148 (2003).
• Michael J. Denton, Craig J. Marshall, and Michael Legge, “The Protein Folds as Platonic Forms: New Support for the pre-Darwinian Conception of Evolution by Natural Law,” Journal of Theoretical Biology, Vol. 219: 325-342 (2002).
• Stanley L. Jaki, “Teaching of Transcendence in Physics,” American Journal of Physics, Vol. 55(10):884-888 (October 1987).
• Granville Sewell, “Postscript,” in Analysis of a Finite Element Method: PDE/PROTRAN(New York: Springer Verlag, 1985).
• A.C. McIntosh, “Evidence of design in bird feathers and avian respiration,”International Journal of Design & Nature and Ecodynamics, Vol. 4(2):154–169 (2009).
• Richard v. Sternberg, “DNA Codes and Information: Formal Structures and Relational Causes,” Acta Biotheoretica, Vol. 56(3):205-232 (September, 2008).
• Wolf-Ekkehard Lönnig and Heinz Saedler, “Chromosome Rearrangement and Transposable Elements,” Annual Review of Genetics, Vol. 36:389–410 (2002).
• Douglas D. Axe, “Extreme Functional Sensitivity to Conservative Amino Acid Changes on Enzyme Exteriors,” Journal of Molecular Biology, Vol. 301:585-595 (2000).
• William A. Dembski, The Design Inference: Eliminating Chance through Small Probabilities (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1998).

First link up the ‘Discovery Institute’, fantastic, let’s go.., just a short bit as I’ve been through all this nonsense before and it hasn’t changed in 20 years.
The Discovery Institute is a politically conservative think tank and propaganda mill that advocates the pseudoscientific concept of intelligent design.
Its "Teach the Controversy" campaign aims to permit the teaching of anti-evolution, intelligent-design propaganda in United States public high school science courses in place of accepted scientific theories, positing that a scientific controversy exists over whether evolution is a reality, when in fact there is none.
Not entirely surprised that there’s been a resurgence in this bs.

 

[georgenorman]

There are things that we believe in but don't really understand, like consciousness and energy ...

 

[McAhuna]

First link up the ‘Discovery Institute’, fantastic, let’s go.., just a short bit as I’ve been through all this nonsense before and it hasn’t changed in 20 years.
The Discovery Institute is a politically conservative think tank and propaganda mill that advocates the pseudoscientific concept of intelligent design.
Its "Teach the Controversy" campaign aims to permit the teaching of anti-evolution, intelligent-design propaganda in United States public high school science courses in place of accepted scientific theories, positing that a scientific controversy exists over whether evolution is a reality, when in fact there is none.
Not entirely surprised that there’s been a resurgence in this bs.

Fail. That's just a subjective, politically charged, emotive attack that doesn't engage with any of the peer removed scientific papers.
Plays the man, not the ball and looks like it was copied from Reddit.

 

[McAhuna]

Militant atheists are so funny.

The irony is that they are so much like medieval preachers themselves.

Angry, dogmatic and with absolute blind faith that they are 100% correct, so they refuse to engage or even consider an alternative view. Even the suggestion that they look at an alternative view makes them angry and defensive.

Intelligent design theory is a Heresy that must be belittled and stamped out. Adherents must be condemned as sternly as possible.

The world certainly turns full circles.

 

[georgenorman]

Militant atheists are so funny.

The irony is that they are so much like medieval preachers themselves.

Angry, dogmatic and with absolute blind faith that they are 100% correct, so they refuse to engage or even consider an alternative view. Even the suggestion that they look at an alternative view makes them angry and defensive.

Intelligent design theory is a Heresy that must be belittled and stamped out. Adherents must be condemned as sternly as possible.

The world certainly turns full circles.

"He was an embittered atheist, the sort of atheist who does not so much disbelieve in God as personally dislike Him." [Orwell]

 

[berlinpalace]

Fail. That's just a subjective, politically charged, emotive attack that doesn't engage with any of the peer removed scientific papers.
Plays the man, not the ball and looks like it was copied from Reddit.

Nah, can’t be bothered. Just bombing sites with random links doesn’t prove anything and let’s be honest, in the big wide world of scientific publications you don’t really have that much and some of the ‘publications’ are new and funded by the same people who fund things such as the Discovery Institute. I wonder how many also have links to the christofascist Heritage Foundation? Hmmm?
At least you didn’t bring up Answers in Genesis, that was always my favourite, are they still pushing the whole dinosaurs and humans coexsisting? Hilarious stuff.
Anyway that really is enough time wasted on this little diversion down memory lane. Ciao!

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Provided it is passages from the confirmed peer-reviewed scientific papers above and you confirm which specific paper you are quoting, then please, go ahead.

See you in about 6 months.

You are full of s***.

Give me evidence now or stop wasting my time.

You are so confident on this, so surely you must know something about the topic that you can share.