Christian Palace

[beak]

Darwin's explanation for the entirety of human evolution is not proven 100% undeniably.

There is plenty of scope for a mix of evolution and intelligent design - which is a 100% undeniable concept, because its what we do with our own livestock and pets.

...and the earth is square!

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

Have those who repeat the tired line about religion causing wars and conflict stopped to consider that Hitler, Stalin and Mau caused by far the most deaths in the last 100 years .....and were all atheists.

What about the Catholic church, they are not exactly blameless, the conquistador, the Inquisition, Mussolini's Vatican of pope Pius XI is horrific, there is a very cloudy history of the Vatican's role in both the World wars.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Darwin's explanation for the entirety of human evolution is not proven 100% undeniably.

There is plenty of scope for a mix of evolution and intelligent design - which is a 100% undeniable concept, because its what we do with our own livestock and pets.

Just consider that statement.

We have evidence for evolution. There is none whatsoever for intelligent design.

One would have to define 'intelligent' in order to debate the topic, and it would be a debate with the absence of sufficient knowledge.

Are we talking God, aliens, nature? Are we describing our human type of intelligence or something more akin to AI.
Would such an idea not beg the question, who created the creator?

 

[georgenorman]

Just consider that statement.

We have evidence for evolution. There is none whatsoever for intelligent design.

One would have to define 'intelligent' in order to debate the topic, and it would be a debate with the absence of sufficient knowledge.

Are we talking God, aliens, nature? Are we describing our human type of intelligence or something more akin to AI.
Would such an idea not beg the question, who created the creator?

What about the question of how the universe, supposedly, spontaneously sprang into existence?

 

[georgenorman]

Just consider that statement.

We have evidence for evolution. There is none whatsoever for intelligent design.

One would have to define 'intelligent' in order to debate the topic, and it would be a debate with the absence of sufficient knowledge.

Are we talking God, aliens, nature? Are we describing our human type of intelligence or something more akin to AI.
Would such an idea not beg the question, who created the creator?

As I have said, I am an agnostic, but if God exists and is omnipotent, that means they are capable of absolutely anything - including eternal existence without beginning or end!

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

Just consider that statement.

We have evidence for evolution. There is none whatsoever for intelligent design.

One would have to define 'intelligent' in order to debate the topic, and it would be a debate with the absence of sufficient knowledge.

Are we talking God, aliens, nature? Are we describing our human type of intelligence or something more akin to AI.
Would such an idea not beg the question, who created the creator?

ad infinitum.

 

[beak]

What about the Catholic church, they are not exactly blameless, the conquistador, the Inquisition, Mussolini's Vatican of pope Pius XI is horrific, there is a very cloudy history of the Vatican's role in both the World wars.

Massacre of Hugenoets.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

As I have said, I am an agnostic, but if God exists and is omnipotent, that means they are capable of absolutely anything - including eternal existence without beginning or end!

Very convenient for believers and those peddling belief.

 

[ASCPFC]

I presume we're interested in signing Jobe. But we didn't sign Solomon.

 

[sprites]

No, 35 different views, not the same one, Jesus certainly wasn't the son of a so called "God" i am sure he existed and was a Gandhi like character, think his real name was Brian.

You are incorrect. It's largely the same view, translated differently. And your oh-so-confident assertion that Jesus wasn't the son of God is not a view shared by hundreds and millions of people around the world, just as a reminder. But no, you're definitely right, hey? I have no issues with your disbelief...but the certainty and arrogance with which you speak is abhorrent.

And I believe the Brian comment is an attempt at humour? I wouldn't give up your day job.

 

[McAhuna]

What about the Catholic church, they are not exactly blameless, the conquistador, the Inquisition, Mussolini's Vatican of pope Pius XI is horrific, there is a very cloudy history of the Vatican's role in both the World wars.

I don't think there is much evidence to show that war and violence correlates with religious beliefs.

Religion has sometimes been the cause and justification, sure.
But so has left-wing beliefs, right-wing beliefs, race, money, land, oil, etc, etc.

 

[McAhuna]

What about the question of how the universe, supposedly, spontaneously sprang into existence?

Yes, the people who mock the concept of intelligent design, the afterlife and the spiritual dimension want us to believe that everything just spontaneously came into existence out of nothing in a fraction of a second.
Because 'Science'.

 

[McAhuna]

Just consider that statement.

We have evidence for evolution. There is none whatsoever for intelligent design.

One would have to define 'intelligent' in order to debate the topic, and it would be a debate with the absence of sufficient knowledge.

Are we talking God, aliens, nature? Are we describing our human type of intelligence or something more akin to AI.
Would such an idea not beg the question, who created the creator?

There is (disputed) evidence for intelligent design. Just not evidence that makes its way into current mainstream textbooks.

Why on earth would we have to define 'intelligent' to debate the topic? Who set those rules?
Besides, any dictionary defines the word.
It is self-evident that the manipulation of dna would require very advanced knowledge and abilities. But humans are capable of it right now, so obviously it can be debated and is being debated.

You ask "Would such an idea not beg the question, who created the creator?" Well Richard Dawkins seems to think that is an intractable obstacle to further discussion.
Curiously, the same people who ask this are frequently the same people who give the Big Bang a free pass.
My view is that such questions are perhaps beyond the realms of understanding that humans are currently capable of. It is an argument dependent on an acceptance of time as linear.
Either way, it is not an argument that precludes intelligent design.

 

[Eaglecoops]

Why is this in Palace talk?

 

[georgenorman]

Why is this in Palace talk?

Another deep unanswerable question.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

I don't think there is much evidence to show that war and violence correlates with religious beliefs.

Religion has sometimes been the cause and justification, sure.
But so has left-wing beliefs, right-wing beliefs, race, money, land, oil, etc, etc.

No, never any problems between the Arabs and the Jews, FFS

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

You are incorrect. It's largely the same view, translated differently. And your oh-so-confident assertion that Jesus wasn't the son of God is not a view shared by hundreds and millions of people around the world, just as a reminder. But no, you're definitely right, hey? I have no issues with your disbelief...but the certainty and arrogance with which you speak is abhorrent.

And I believe the Brian comment is an attempt at humour? I wouldn't give up your day job.

No, i am not incorrect, the contributors to the Old testament were over a period of 1200 years, there is virtually no correlation, the Dinosaurs never existed, everything happened in six days, you cannot argue with the believers what ever you say, its brainwashing.

 

[Linford]

Have those who repeat the tired line about religion causing wars and conflict stopped to consider that Hitler, Stalin and Mau caused by far the most deaths in the last 100 years .....and were all atheists.

Hitler was a Catholic, and Nazism was deeply interwoven with Norse Paganism and borrowed from numerous religious traditions. The NSDAP encouraged church attendance for it’s citizens and it was considered part of the Aryan ideal.

 

[Linford]

And I believe the Brian comment is an attempt at humour? I wouldn't give up your day job.

That’d be Monty Python. “He’s not the messiah, he’s a very naughty boy!”

 

[mogrem]

Yes, the people who mock the concept of intelligent design, the afterlife and the spiritual dimension want us to believe that everything just spontaneously came into existence out of nothing in a fraction of a second.
Because 'Science'.

Well it's not so strange since we know how the human body works. There is no afterlife. It's not because of science mostly it's just how things work.