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Militant atheists are so funny.

The irony is that they are so much like medieval preachers themselves.

Angry, dogmatic and with absolute blind faith that they are 100% correct, so they refuse to engage or even consider an alternative view. Even the suggestion that they look at an alternative view makes them angry and defensive.

Intelligent design theory is a Heresy that must be belittled and stamped out. Adherents must be condemned as sternly as possible.

The world certainly turns full circles.
Not as funny as bullshit artists who mistake quasi religious mumbo jumbo for science.
 
Nah, can’t be bothered. Just bombing sites with random links doesn’t prove anything and let’s be honest, in the big wide world of scientific publications you don’t really have that much and some of the ‘publications’ are new and funded by the same people who fund things such as the Discovery Institute. I wonder how many also have links to the christofascist Heritage Foundation? Hmmm?
At least you didn’t bring up Answers in Genesis, that was always my favourite, are they still pushing the whole dinosaurs and humans coexsisting? Hilarious stuff.
Anyway that really is enough time wasted on this little diversion down memory lane. Ciao!
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Refuses to look at peer-reviewed scientific papers.

Instead starts ranting about fascists, the bible and dinosaurs before storming out.

Marvellous stuff. Beyond parody and 10/10 for irony.
 
*cough* We're still waiting for your amusing anecdotes .......

30 peer-reviewed scientific papers wasn't enough for you to choose from?
You don't have a clue what you are talking about. That is obvious.
If you did, you wouldn't hide behind links.

Bluffing don't cut it.

Maybe you could talk about the complexity of the eye for example or the interrelation of species.
Surely you must have something?
 
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Refuses to look at peer-reviewed scientific papers.

Instead starts ranting about fascists, the bible and dinosaurs before storming out.

Marvellous stuff. Beyond parody and 10/10 for irony.

To be fair you're the one making the claim.

Spamming links without summaries and then accusing others of somehow falling down because they aren't working though them when you obviously haven't yourself isn't a convincing argument.
 
*cough* We're still waiting for your amusing anecdotes .......

30 peer-reviewed scientific papers wasn't enough for you to choose from?
McAhuna, honestly I wouldn't bother debating Hrolf. I've tried. He has a complete inability to open his mind up beyond what he considers to be right. Beyond what he can see or explain. It's kind of sad.
 
I’ve just wasted 5 minutes of my life thumbing through this total garbage. Admin should delete it or move it because it has nothing to do with Football or Palace.

If some of our players are religious then that’s entirely up to them but I fail to see how debating the origin of man affects performance in the next game.
 
McAhuna, honestly I wouldn't bother debating Hrolf. I've tried. He has a complete inability to open his mind up beyond what he considers to be right. Beyond what he can see or explain. It's kind of sad.
I’m sad that there are so many people who are prepared to believe in fairy tales and creationism.

An open mind is not the same as an irrational mind.

It’s just lazy thinking to jump on an idea simply because it is compelling.
 
To be fair you're the one making the claim.

Spamming links without summaries and then accusing others of somehow falling down because they aren't working though them when you obviously haven't yourself isn't a convincing argument.


Have you actually read the thread? A selection of quotes for you from this thread directed at people who hold religious or spiritual beliefs

"There is no evidence. It is the philosophy of ignorance"
"Discovering the reality of things is not done by indulging in half arsed mumbo jumbo."
"people who are prepared to believe in fairy tales and creationism.
"irrational minds" "lazy thinking"


In response I merely pointed out that it is incorrect to say there is no evidence of intelligent design. I was challenged to prove it and showed dozens of peer reviewed scientific papers.
So evidence exists - that's not a claim, that's a 100% verifiable fact.
Doesn't mean you or anyone has to believe it.

Now it's up to them. People can read it if they wish and if they are capable. Or they can throw more insults and have hissy fits. Hrolf smugly claimed he would find amusing passages from the peer reviewed papers, talked himself into a corner, can't produce the goods and frankly now looks a bit silly.

Now you want to debate DNA sequencing with him. 🤣
Jog on.
 
I’m agnostic and there is so much that we do not understand about the nature of things, although the existence of a traditional god seems unlikely, there may be 'something' whatever that might be. However, equally unlikely, is the scientific proposition that everything sprang into existence of its own volition out of nothing. We accept that things exist whose true nature are beyond our understanding, like consciousness and energy. People believe in all sorts of things that could be considered daft – like Marxism and other political and social ideas. One of my main reasons for not being an atheist is that Wisbech Eagle is, and he is always wrong about everything.
 
Have you actually read the thread? A selection of quotes for you from this thread directed at people who hold religious or spiritual beliefs

"There is no evidence. It is the philosophy of ignorance"
"Discovering the reality of things is not done by indulging in half arsed mumbo jumbo."
"people who are prepared to believe in fairy tales and creationism.
"irrational minds" "lazy thinking"


In response I merely pointed out that it is incorrect to say there is no evidence of intelligent design. I was challenged to prove it and showed dozens of peer reviewed scientific papers.
So evidence exists - that's not a claim, that's a 100% verifiable fact.
Doesn't mean you or anyone has to believe it.

Saying something is peer reviewed is not the badge of honour that it once was.

What matters is 'peer reviewed' by what organsiation with what repuation.

As far as I'm aware there is no recognition by any established body of renown that 'intelligent design' has displaced evolution within the cannon.

Now it's up to them. People can read it if they wish and if they are capable. Or they can throw more insults and have hissy fits. Hrolf smugly claimed he would find amusing passages from the peer reviewed papers, talked himself into a corner, can't produce the goods and frankly now looks a bit silly.

Now you want to debate DNA sequencing with him. 🤣
Jog on.

All this is just waffle between you two because you don't like each other. I would kind of prefer to stick to debating the claims. If you have a specific claim you want to make then I'm happy to hear it and debate it.....I'm not really interested in a slanging match over philosophical topics.
 
Well yes that's obviously true.

So suggesting that most of our squad and manager are ignorant, lazy and irrational probably doesn't belong on a Palace fans forum.

It's a fan of the club, which is the place and history and the connection the fan has to it.....individual players and managers come and go...often have several clubs in their career, with some being quite mercenary.....but the fan rarely changes their club... the club remains.

A fan may be full of praise or full of ire, but whichever it is that's their prerogative as a fan. They are the people who often turn up and pay the money.....So having an opinion is the least to expect in return.

Fans turn up each week all over the country and say what they think and that's what happens on a football forum as well.....Good or bad, both belong.
 
Have you actually read the thread? A selection of quotes for you from this thread directed at people who hold religious or spiritual beliefs

"There is no evidence. It is the philosophy of ignorance"
"Discovering the reality of things is not done by indulging in half arsed mumbo jumbo."
"people who are prepared to believe in fairy tales and creationism.
"irrational minds" "lazy thinking"


In response I merely pointed out that it is incorrect to say there is no evidence of intelligent design. I was challenged to prove it and showed dozens of peer reviewed scientific papers.
So evidence exists - that's not a claim, that's a 100% verifiable fact.
Doesn't mean you or anyone has to believe it.

Now it's up to them. People can read it if they wish and if they are capable. Or they can throw more insults and have hissy fits. Hrolf smugly claimed he would find amusing passages from the peer reviewed papers, talked himself into a corner, can't produce the goods and frankly now looks a bit silly.

Now you want to debate DNA sequencing with him. 🤣
Jog on.
Says the man who believes in totally unproven quasi religious theories which are not accepted in mainstream science.

This is simply a case of observing something you don't understand and arbitrarily attributing it to unseen forces.
Lazy and unscientific.

Of course, there are seemingly miraculous occurrences in the evolutionary process which make you wonder how they can come to be within the constraints of Darwinian theory.
It requires a better understanding, and that is what science tries to do.

That does not mean you should say I don't understand, therefore it must be intelligent design.

That is illogical.
 
Well yes that's obviously true.

So suggesting that most of our squad and manager are ignorant, lazy and irrational probably doesn't belong on a Palace fans forum.
What a dim witted response.

If you display overt religious convictions, then you can hardly complain about overt atheism.

Do you want to regress this country back 500 years?
 
Saying something is peer reviewed is not the badge of honour that it once was.

What matters is 'peer reviewed' by what organsiation with what repuation.

As far as I'm aware there is no recognition by any established body of renown that 'intelligent design' has displaced evolution within the cannon.



All this is just waffle between you two because you don't like each other. I would kind of prefer to stick to debating the claims. If you have a specific claim you want to make then I'm happy to hear it and debate it.....I'm not really interested in a slanging match over philosophical topics.

The only 'claim' on the table was that there is 'no evidence'.
I have shown that there is high quality evidence, relating to evolutionary biology, dna sequencing, etc.
You can argue about the merits of the evidence all long, but it still exists, whether you or anyone agrees with it or not. It's not a difficult concept.
I am not even convinced by it myself, I simply recognise that it is on the table
The people who claim there is no evidence are simply wrong. End of. They could have conceded the point and admitted they were wrong, but they threw the toy out the pram instead.
And being peer reviewed does equate to scientific credibility, its the benchmark of credibility.

As many have said this chat is on the Palace section, so its not the place for detailed scientific debate.

What is relevant is whether our players/managers have reasoned, valid and rational. beliefs
OR are ignorant, lazy and irrational.
I prefer the former view, some of you prefer the latter.
 
The only 'claim' on the table was that there is 'no evidence'.
I have shown that there is high quality evidence, relating to evolutionary biology, dna sequencing, etc.
You can argue about the merits of the evidence all long, but it still exists, whether you or anyone agrees with it or not. It's not a difficult concept.
I am not even convinced by it myself, I simply recognise that it is on the table
The people who claim there is no evidence are simply wrong. End of. They could have conceded the point and admitted they were wrong, but they threw the toy out the pram instead.
And being peer reviewed does equate to scientific credibility, its the benchmark of credibility.

As many have said this chat is on the Palace section, so its not the place for detailed scientific debate.

What is relevant is whether our players/managers have reasoned, valid and rational. beliefs
OR are ignorant, lazy and irrational.
I prefer the former view, some of you prefer the latter.
Let's have some simple examples.

Surely you can manage that.
 
The only 'claim' on the table was that there is 'no evidence'.
I have shown that there is high quality evidence, relating to evolutionary biology, dna sequencing, etc.
You can argue about the merits of the evidence all long, but it still exists, whether you or anyone agrees with it or not. It's not a difficult concept.
I am not even convinced by it myself, I simply recognise that it is on the table
The people who claim there is no evidence are simply wrong. End of. They could have conceded the point and admitted they were wrong, but they threw the toy out the pram instead.
And being peer reviewed does equate to scientific credibility, its the benchmark of credibility.

As many have said this chat is on the Palace section, so its not the place for detailed scientific debate.

What is relevant is whether our players/managers have reasoned, valid and rational. beliefs
OR are ignorant, lazy and irrational.
I prefer the former view, some of you prefer the latter.

When you look into the peer reviewed reality you find a lot of criticism over the modern day situation. Lots of claims approved in peer review has turned out to be bunk and like I said, it's not 'peer review'...it is more peer review by who.

That said, I don't have an issue with your general point is speaking up for cracks in evolution for the idea of intelligent design as such. All that matters is the truth rather than dogma of any type. I just haven't seen anything convincing myself.....that doesn't mean to say that it isn't out there or indeed could be in one of your links. But I don't have issues with poking at any theory....that's healthy, but as we poke, we must also be ok with being poked back.

If there is anything true within the claims made we would hope that it would bubble to the surface by virtue of the rather hopeful wish that the truth wins in the end.

As for religion in the playing squad and/or staff, it doesn't bother me personally. I'm not anti the Christian religion and I respect some of its teachings and cultural influence. The holes to argue against it are hardly new to anyone.

I'm probably more bothered by nihilism personally....which while probably more true, is far more destructive to societies.
 

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