Burnley thread

[Willo]

a win is win ,respect the points no matter how we get'em .

3 points and a 'Clean sheet', absolutely marvellous. 👍 👍 👍

 

[Jim_Cannon]

Tricky game last night but we got over the line. These are amazing times to be a palace fan, enjoy the ride

 

[Teddy Eagle]

How on earth are we 5th in the Premier, QFs of League cup, in Europe, if we can't pass and overwhelmed in midfield by everyone? Baffling.

Good question. We have an excellent goalkeeper and the defence is very good but beyond them there has to be an element of luck involved - last night the shot that hit the bar could equally as well have gone in - Yes, Hendo got a fingertip to it but on another day?
This is in no way to attribute our success to luck but I do think it plays a part.
Also while everyone is rightly bemoaning our missed chances opposing teams have often been just as profligate.

 

[Palacesince64]

Our subs always weaken us. We must upgrade in January.

Our subs will always weaken us. Ollie is committed to always playing his best starting eleven so by definition those on the bench aren’t as good. It is a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy though since if they never start they’ll never get fully up to speed with what is required and never be as good as the first eleven.

 

[Goal Machine]

Good question. We have an excellent goalkeeper and the defence is very good but beyond them there has to be an element of luck involved - last night the shot that hit the bar could equally as well have gone in - Yes, Hendo got a fingertip to it but on another day?
This is in no way to attribute our success to luck but I do think it plays a part.
Also while everyone is rightly bemoaning our missed chances opposing teams have often been just as profligate.

Always luck involved and professional sport is usually won/lost of the finest or margins.

Found a XG league table which would suggest we're good value for our current league position: Premier League xG table 2025/2026

Sunderland are the ones proving to be most clinical.

 

[Willo]

Burnley did so well last season finished 2nd in the Championship on 100 pts, 10 pts clear of 3rd placed Sheff Utd and they only conceded 16 league goals.
I believe they have added some 10 new players to their squad since the last campaign and they have conceded 28 goals in 14 league games.
I did have Burnley in the bottom 4, when I was asked about my thoughts on the forthcoming season.

 

[Palacesince64]

Getting value, or just some use, out of the players you list is an interesting issue. Glasner hasn’t really used most of them, especially not Uche and Esse.

I was listening to Ole Gunnar Solskjaer reflecting on what he would do differently if he had his time again at Man U. Interestingly, he said that he would be more selfish in his team selections when under pressure, as in, he would pick the side in his own interests rather than the clubs.

He explained that he generally picked the team with one eye on the game in question but another on the bigger picture. Stuff like: Who hasn't been playing lately and needs a run of games to keep them sharp, feeling involved, or just a saleable asset? Who isn’t in my best 11 now but might be in two years’ time? How can I make a bit of space for them so they can develop? Who is playing well but being a bit of a prick and needs knocking down a peg or two? What games can I give to the average players I don’t really rate but will no doubt need at some point? All that sort of stuff.

In other words, he felt the risk of losing any particular game was worth it for the overall benefits to the club. I'm sure his approach was probably influenced by how Fergie worked.

I'm not sure many managers think like that these days, they don't have the job security to do it. Glasner certainly doesn't work like that. Should he? Is that a fair expectation? Would he not risk the sack if we lost a few? Moreover, like most smaller clubs doing well at the top, a lot of our success is based on being well-drilled and highly familiar with one another. Would we have, for instance, the same solid defensive unit if Canvot (who I think looks promising) was rotated in and out more, so that the other three got a bit of a rest? Or would they suffer the odd mix up in the heat of battle? Would, for instance, Pino develop more if he was in and out of the team? Wharton, Eze, Olise, Geuhi etc all came to Palace because that wouldn't happen - they would play through dips ands peaks in form and not be rotated. It hasn't done them much harm.

I can understand why Glasner picks his strongest team, works on them in training, then sticks with them in games. His job is to get results, which he has excelled at. If he thinks a slightly jaded but well-drilled, strongest XI, with an established on-field understanding is a better bet than a changing, less-familiar, weaker, but fresher XI, then I find it difficult to argue with him.

OGS was one of those players who could spend most of his time on the bench and still be sharp and capable of scoring the winner when he did come on. Unfortunately that isn’t true of Nketiah from what we’ve seen recently. Whether it’s true of Uche or Esse is impossible to tell since they’re never allowed near the pitch. Uche will be sent packing in January but Esse must be praying Glasner leaves for pastures new and his successor gives him a chance to show what he can do.

 

[Willo]

OGS was one of those players who could spend most of his time on the bench and still be sharp and capable of scoring the winner when he did come on. Unfortunately that isn’t true of Nketiah from what we’ve seen recently. Whether it’s true of Uche or Esse is impossible to tell since they’re never allowed near the pitch. Uche will be sent packing in January but Esse must be praying Glasner leaves for pastures new and his successor gives him a chance to show what he can do.

Solksjaer wasn't the quickest but his intelligence bought him a yard.
He was an accomplished finisher and a player who invariably hit the target.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Come on, that was hard to enjoy last night, enjoy the goal and the relief when the final whistle came, then looking at the table I suppose, but I think the rest of it, ‘enjoy’ is the wrong word. It’s not often you get outplayed by Burnley 🤣

I mean enjoy the ride as a whole! We’re one of the best teams in the country and have been for over a year now.

Yesterday was clearly a slog but a satisfying win given the context. It was still infinitely more watchable than half of our games under Hodgson!

 

[Willo]

I mean enjoy the ride as a whole! We’re one of the best teams in the country and have been for over a year now.

Yesterday was clearly a slog but a satisfying win given the context. It was still infinitely more watchable than half of our games under Hodgson!

I shall ever be grateful to Mr Hodgson for keeping us in the PL on a limited spend.
Let us not forget that under him we recovered from 7 defeats in the first 7 PL games, and no goals scored, to finish the season in 11th place.De Boer was in charge for 4 of those games.
I accept that the football was often uninspiring but the ends justified the means.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

I shall ever be grateful to Mr Hodgson for keeping us in the PL on a limited spend.
Let us not forget that under him we recovered from 7 defeats in the first 7 PL games, and no goals scored, to finish the season in 11th place.De Boer was in charge for 4 of those games.
I accept that the football was often uninspiring but the ends justified the means.

It's a truism that top footballers' wages are often justified because they're in the entertainment business but when games are bad/boring/uninspired football is a results business and nothing else matters.

 

[mtp1958]

I'm going to be honest and say that the win is hiding a lot of our problems. We are gifting chances to the opposition for a start. We seem unable to pass accurately - and we have some players who just can't pass. It was no accident the assist was by Guehi. A central defender.
We are being overwhelmed in the midfield two - everyone has cottoned on to that. Why wouldn't they? We do it every game. If Burnley had more pace and a bit more quality then they could have beaten us quite comprehensively. We weren't in the game for most of the second half. That was obviously fatigue.
Our set pieces, attacking and defending, now seem poor. What's happened there? Lack of training time between games perhaps?
Fulham are relatively poor this season - let's see what happens there. They are superior to Burnley - who look like potential relegation candidates.

Think that reads what I said , the lose against manu was because we wasted our chances and gifted them goals not poor passing , burnley over run our midfield so much they didn't score , would a better team beat us how would you know we have played most of them and lost to arsenal , you can't put Everton and manu up there both are poor ,
You only singled out lerma but that's not want you said , every player on that pitch couldn't pass both sides , the pitch was slow and neither could adapt

 

[doombear]

I mean enjoy the ride as a whole! We’re one of the best teams in the country and have been for over a year now.

Yesterday was clearly a slog but a satisfying win given the context. It was still infinitely more watchable than half of our games under Hodgson!

whose teams got out played by Burnley on more than one occasion - a certain 0-3 home disaster springs immediately to mind.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

I shall ever be grateful to Mr Hodgson for keeping us in the PL on a limited spend.
Let us not forget that under him we recovered from 7 defeats in the first 7 PL games, and no goals scored, to finish the season in 11th place.De Boer was in charge for 4 of those games.
I accept that the football was often uninspiring but the ends justified the means.

Absolutely, big fan of Roy and everything he did for us.

But we were absolutely dire to watch for large spells - I can’t ever remember being as uninterested in watching Palace games.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

whose teams got out played by Burnley on more than one occasion - a certain 0-3 home disaster springs immediately to mind.

Was that when Lowton scored a screamer?

Those years are largely one dull blur in my head!

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

Absolutely, big fan of Roy and everything he did for us.

But we were absolutely dire to watch for large spells - I can’t ever remember being as uninterested in watching Palace games.

Bit like last night, must be time for your feed soon. 😎

 

[ASCPFC]

Think that reads what I said , the lose against manu was because we wasted our chances and gifted them goals not poor passing , burnley over run our midfield so much they didn't score , would a better team beat us how would you know we have played most of them and lost to arsenal , you can't put Everton and manu up there both are poor ,
You only singled out lerma but that's not want you said , every player on that pitch couldn't pass both sides , the pitch was slow and neither could adapt

Our passing stats are poor. We were also clearly overrun in midfield. Which game were you watching? La Liga or something? What is it you can't handle? That we didn't play well?
Tell me how we played well if you want a debate. Tell me what part of our play was good. Perhaps you think that performance would beat other teams - tell me why it would. If you want a debate I'll give you one. Add something to it. Want to criticise my points fine but you're adding f*** all.
We were better in other games - not our last couple. It's not that hard a concept. If we continue at this standard what will we win?
It's also hardly beyond the stretches of imagination that other teams might notice how we play and overload midfield. You haven't noticed it maybe but plenty have. It's not the first time it's been said, nor will it be the last.

 

[silvertop]

Our subs will always weaken us. Ollie is committed to always playing his best starting eleven so by definition those on the bench aren’t as good. It is a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy though since if they never start they’ll never get fully up to speed with what is required and never be as good as the first eleven.

Right now only Arsenal (perhaps a couple of others, at most) is the only team with a squad of sufficient quality and depth to replace like for like by substitution or injury stand-in without suffering a diminution in quality.

 

[NEILLO]

Our passing stats are poor. We were also clearly overrun in midfield. Which game were you watching? La Liga or something? What is it you can't handle? That we didn't play well?
Tell me how we played well if you want a debate. Tell me what part of our play was good. Perhaps you think that performance would beat other teams - tell me why it would. If you want a debate I'll give you one. Add something to it. Want to criticise my points fine but you're adding f*** all.
We were better in other games - not our last couple. It's not that hard a concept. If we continue at this standard what will we win?
It's also hardly beyond the stretches of imagination that other teams might notice how we play and overload midfield. You haven't noticed it maybe but plenty have. It's not the first time it's been said, nor will it be the last.

Funny enough, after the game last night I said to my son that I thought we played better overall against Strasbourg and Man Utd than we did last night !

The difference then is the quality of the opposition - as you refer to.

Hopefully the Fulham game will see us up our game a bit. If we don't then Fulham have enough quality going forward to give us a lot of problems.

 

[taylors lovechild]

Only Brentford have a worse passing success rate than us, but we're fourth for big chances created and for xG. So while our passing may not always be accurate, it is much more effective than a lot of teams. If our forwards hadn't been so wasteful this season we'd be in the top four, without properly hitting our stride in many games. When OG arrived, he made a point that he was all about creating lots of chances because his belief is that fans want to see goals. He seems to have little interest in slow build-ups and has previously said his aim to to create chances as quickly as possible, which is perhaps partly why our passing stats are not so great because the players take more risks.

When we're at our best we use quick one-touch moves that carve open defences. The team are brilliant at it and did it again last night, albeit only on a few occasions. The issue is neither Pino or Kamada have the explosive pace of Sarr, so we're having to place even more pressure on Munoz at the moment. In January, we could really do with another player in the mould of Sarr, or another midfielder capable of breaking beyond the opposing defence (Willock is rumoured and might fit our system).