Gorton & Denton By-election

[Palace Old Geezer]

.... but at the moment they are fragmenting faster than a hand 😆 grenade. Last night cheered me up no end.

No surprise there!

 

[Stirlingsays]

Not obvious at all. The current youthful generation has shown a distinct tendency to move away from block familial voting.

And do you think conservatively minded Islamic "elders" would lead their "people" to vote in a gay Jew?

The "brown" population voted Green as the Libs had not bothered to turn up. Labour and anything right of centre were not an option.

That is, Green got the "X" by default.

You know the answer to that.

It's on the basis most vote....voting against the party they fear the most....which is Reform. They are use to the left giving them a pass over the gay stuff and other stuff (which fed into how grooming gangs happened).....vote trading.

I do think family voting happens in the Islamic community.....How significantly?....That's not really something I would know.

 

[Ouzo Dan]

Reform failed to win because they offer the same Tory slop the country has already rejected.

The balkanisation of Britain continues.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

These are advocates and/or supporters of Islamic fundamentalism and (believe it or not) our views on them are probably closer than you think. But...

Most Muslims are not Islamists.

Not all "brown" people are Muslim at all. Many are Buddhists, Hindus, Zoroastrians, atheists, Christians or other.

So, just so we know the point you are making, which of the above pose the threat you speak of?

The general population of Muslims are not the problem in themselves. It is the radical types who almost always desire power and can direct large numbers to vote a particular way using religious or cultural pressures.

To deny this would be just more disingenuous twaddle from you.

The Muslim population will grow rapidly and that means that sectarian and religious issues will become a big problem for this country in the near future. This is just a little snapshot of our future if people with your mentality are in charge.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Officially.

Personally I think it's closer to 9 percent.

Very possibly. Either figure can affect results in certain areas.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Reform failed to win because they offer the same Tory slop the country has already rejected.

The balkanisation of Britain continues.

That's just not true is it. Reform winning there would have been an astonishing result.
It is a very left wing northern town with a large Muslim population.

Finishing second was an achievement.

 

[Stirlingsays]

2 points.

One, I was joking. We know each other well enough to know when I am pulling the leg.

Two, what? They are so hard left that if the SWP got into power they would nationalize this site!

The Greens would probably ban being straight.

 

[Willo]

Sure, but it's going to happen.....laws aren't magic, they are interpreted and acted upon by people.

Change the people, you change what laws are enacted and what are ignored.....The Tories carried on Blairism and changed areas even more than Labour. In power, the Tories are social liberals, they just pretend differently.

Maybe you should ask yourself why May and Cameron are still members of your party.

The Conservative party is a 'Broad church'.

 

[beak]

The Conservative party is a 'Broad church'.

I agree lots of pews but no congregation.

 

[Stirlingsays]

There are always good and sensible people in any community, race, religion or however you want to categorise.

But demographics is destiny.

That's just reality.

Nothing the Tories nor Reform are offering will change the demographics direction of travel.

The English are already a significant minority in their own capital city, that's extending out and you only have to look at the youth data to see it....let alone the type of migration in and out of the country.

For the English, you can change it to Scottish, Welsh and Irish, because nothing will stop it under the current liberalism we live in.

I prefer the economic collapse personally.

 

[Stirlingsays]

The Conservative party is a 'Broad church'.

Yeah, you are so broad that all the churches eventually are going to be converted to Mosques and bingo halls.

History won't be kind.

 

[Willo]

I agree lots of pews but no congregation.

It has been well documented on HOL, and known outside, that I am on 'Right' wing of the Conservative Party and the pews are awash with those of my ilk.

 

[Stirlingsays]

47.7% turn out

Abnormally high, by elections usually in the mid to low 30s

The Islamic nature of this result cannot be underestimated....even if the establishment and media will largely ignore it.

I would be interested in how high the postal vote was as well, along with the family voting. It should be looked into seriously, but as we have seen....the establishment won't go there.

 

[beak]

It has been well documented on HOL, and known outside, that I am on 'Right' wing of the Conservative Party and the pews are awash with those of my ilk.

They don't live in Gorton or don't vote, I thought you might jump ship(very fashionable in Tory circles) and give one of these new fangled right wing parties a go,they regularly have new ones like Regurgitate, Resign and Retreat.

 

[Ouzo Dan]

Don't really care to be honest. Labour are the enemy, no matter who is leading them. Ditto with the Greens and Lib Dems.

Just for the lolz, would vote for Lammy to lead Labour.

A Guayanan & a Nigerian arguing over what's best for Britain at PMQ's would be comedy gold.

 

[Willo]

They don't live in Gorton or don't vote, I thought you might jump ship(very fashionable in Tory circles) and give one of these new fangled right wing parties a go,they regularly have new ones like Regurgitate, Resign and Retreat.

I am a 'Died-in-the wool' Conservative and have been an active member since the mists of time.I shall be at the 'Pearly Gates' adorned with a blue rosette.

 

[Ouzo Dan]

Makes no difference to where I stand. Labour are the enemy. Simple as. Restore need to become the default choice for anybody who wishes to oppose them. Labour will pivot left by way of trying to get back the Muslim vote. It is how they have maintained their grip on numerous local councils.

Restore need to become the only viable alternative to that. The Tories are over and Reform are a farce with their pandering to the likes of HnH.

Labour are now in the process of being great replaced by the very people they abandoned the working class Brit for, exactly the same thing will happen to the greens & it's middle class voter base of commie eco Tabitha's & Hugo's.

Restore is inevitable.

 

[Matov]

Labour are now in the process of being great replaced by the very people they abandoned the working class Brit for, exactly the same thing will happen to the greens & it's middle class voter base of commie eco Tabitha's & Hugo's.

Restore is inevitable.

Restore is survival. This is what people have to wake up to. I actually rather respect the Muslim vote now. They act in unison, they game the system and they allow people to suck up to them by way of gaining what they collectively desire.

We need to learn this lesson fast.

 

[PalazioVecchio]

The Muslim population will grow rapidly and that means that sectarian and religious issues will become a big problem for this country in the near future. This is just a little snapshot of our future if people with your mentality are in charge.

oh cmon. Then you will be telling me London Transport will be banning alcohol and adverts for suntan oil with attractive ladies ?

Parents permanently banned from protesting LGBT lessons outside school

Anderton Park Primary School in Birmingham has been the scene of repeated demonstrations by Muslim protesters.

news.sky.com

 

[eaglesdare]

oh cmon. Then you will be telling me London Transport will be banning alcohol and adverts for suntan oil with attractive ladies ?

Parents permanently banned from protesting LGBT lessons outside school

Anderton Park Primary School in Birmingham has been the scene of repeated demonstrations by Muslim protesters.

news.sky.com

Already happening in Germany in seems.

McDonald's removes all images of food from adverts in Germany during daylight hours due to Ramadan

The advertising campaign was met with a mixed reception

www.gbnews.com