Gorton & Denton By-election

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Restore is survival. This is what people have to wake up to. I actually rather respect the Muslim vote now. They act in unison, they game the system and they allow people to suck up to them by way of gaining what they collectively desire.

We need to learn this lesson fast.

For the first time in our lives we have a horse in the race that can actually win and suddenly some of the right want to back a rank outsider.

If ever there was a case of running before you can walk this is it.

I respect my right wing friends on here, but I just hope they can read the room come election time. If Restore are ahead in the polls, then I'll vote for them. Otherwise, I shall vote to keep leftists out in my constituency.

 

[Ouzo Dan]

That's just not true is it. Reform winning there would have been an astonishing result.
It is a very left wing northern town with a large Muslim population.

Finishing second was an achievement.

Voter turnout was something like 40%.

Reform put one of it's star candidates up against an insane islamo communist party who's mad as f*** gappy toothed leader meditates on bigger tits, wants to work with south american cartels to supply heroin to Britain, wants open borders, tax businesses into oblivion, will accept every foreigner into the country, give them a house, give every immigrant a universal basic income & has absolutely no clue how he is going to pay for all that & reform couldnt find a way to rally enough white people to vote, f*** even the Sikhs who reform sold themselves out for didn't even turn up to vote.

Restore is inevitable

 

[PalazioVecchio]

I am on 'Right' wing of the Conservative Party and the pews are awash with those of my ilk.

so you enjoy being continuously lied to ?

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Voter turnout was something like 40%.

Reform put one of it's star candidates up against an insane islamo communist party who's mad as f*** gappy toothed leader meditates on bigger tits, wants to work with south american cartels to supply heroin to Britain, wants open borders, tax businesses into oblivion, will accept every foreigner into the country, give them a house, give every immigrant a universal basic income & has absolutely no clue how he is going to pay for all that & reform could find a way to rally enough white people to vote, f*** even the Sikhs who reform sold themselves out for didn't even turn up to vote.

Restore is inevitable

Like I said. The candidate was not that important. The demographic and Labour being embarrassing were the deciding factors.

I hope Restore are inevitable, but they ain't winning the next election.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

oh cmon. Then you will be telling me London Transport will be banning alcohol and adverts for suntan oil with attractive ladies ?

Parents permanently banned from protesting LGBT lessons outside school

Anderton Park Primary School in Birmingham has been the scene of repeated demonstrations by Muslim protesters.

news.sky.com

Just for starters...

 

[Matov]

Like I said. The candidate was not that important. The demographic and Labour being embarrassing were the deciding factors.

I hope Restore are inevitable, but they ain't winning the next election.

And better they stand and lose rather than becoming nothing more than another Tory party. This is the point. Reform literally do what HnH tells it to do. Ditches candidates because those scumbags tells them to. Why would you suck up to people who hate you?

Reform have lied and lied to their supporters. Filling their ranks with the very Tories who over-saw the biggest influx of both illegal and legal migrants ever. It beggers belief that anybody would ever trust them on anything.

 

[Willo]

so you enjoy being continuously lied to ?

With respect a rhetorical question which I shall not dignify with a response.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

And better they stand and lose rather than becoming nothing more than another Tory party. This is the point. Reform literally do what HnH tells it to do. Ditches candidates because those scumbags tells them to. Why would you suck up to people who hate you?

Reform have lied and lied to their supporters. Filling their ranks with the very Tories who over-saw the biggest influx of both illegal and legal migrants ever. It beggers belief that anybody would ever trust them on anything.

So your solution to saving Britain is to bravely lose the next election and then whine from the sidelines for another 5 years?
Reform are not the Tories. They are what the Tories should be. I'd take Rupert Lowe's stance all day, but it is futile with no Parliamentary representation.

 

[PalazioVecchio]

Consider the fall of Rome and also Byzantium. Great Empires always topple inside the Walls. Long before any marching army trundles in and takes over.

Alaric & the Visigoths were the same religion as their buddies who opened the gates of Rome.

 

[silvertop]

You know the answer to that.

It's on the basis most vote....voting against the party they fear the most....which is Reform. They are use to the left giving them a pass over the gay stuff and other stuff (which fed into how grooming gangs happened).....vote trading.

I do think family voting happens in the Islamic community.....How significantly?....That's not really something I would know.

Of course, but a reducing impact. And no more than scouse families or Gloucestershire farmers voting in anyone wearing red or blue rosettes, as appropriate.

I have met Muslims and those of Nigerian extraction who are more alarmed by migration than (possibly even?) Hrolf. There is no-one more hard anti immigrant than those last over the drawbridge. Brexit and Reform all the way for those guys.

 

[silvertop]

The general population of Muslims are not the problem in themselves. It is the radical types who almost always desire power and can direct large numbers to vote a particular way using religious or cultural pressures.

To deny this would be just more disingenuous twaddle from you.

The Muslim population will grow rapidly and that means that sectarian and religious issues will become a big problem for this country in the near future. This is just a little snapshot of our future if people with your mentality are in charge.

Nice deflection, but I asked you what ethnic/cultural groups you oppose.

Thus, I hate people putting words in my mouth (or indeed ascribing a view to me as you have just done) but I am going to guess your view based on what you have said.

I have no issues with Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists or other non-Islamic applicants (save that their numbers must be substantively reduced as part of a general policy on immigration), but I oppose immigration by anyone of the Islamic faith as their numbers include Islamists; and it is impossible to distinguish Islamists from the general Muslim population at the point of entry.

Close?

 

[Willo]

Like I said. The candidate was not that important. The demographic and Labour being embarrassing were the deciding factors.

I hope Restore are inevitable, but they ain't winning the next election.

We had an admirable candidate in Charlotte Cadden, a former Deputy Chief Inspector, an estimable lady who fought for single sex spaces for women and girls.

 

[silvertop]

It has been well documented on HOL, and known outside, that I am on 'Right' wing of the Conservative Party and the pews are awash with those of my ilk.

With many en route to the Reform Church.

 

[chris123]

With many en route to the Reform Church.

Haha United no doubt.

 

[Willo]

With many en route to the Reform Church.

Those who walk away because they do not like the direction of the Conservative Party or believe that the grass is greener elsewhere are of course free to do so.
Apropos the by-election, this was never really about the Conservative Party.It was an embarrassing and humiliating result for Labour with their vote halved since the General Election.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Nice deflection, but I asked you what ethnic/cultural groups you oppose.

Thus, I hate people putting words in my mouth (or indeed ascribing a view to me as you have just done) but I am going to guess your view based on what you have said.

I have no issues with Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists or other non-Islamic applicants (save that their numbers must be substantively reduced as part of a general policy on immigration), but I oppose immigration by anyone of the Islamic faith as their numbers include Islamists; and it is impossible to distinguish Islamists from the general Muslim population at the point of entry.

Close?

I reject religion of all forms especially ones that are pervasive and destructive.
Islamists are a threat to the whole world. They can wield power through the Islamic population of this country.
The influx of foreigners is rapidly changing the demographic of this country in a way that threatens British culture and the existence of the British as a recognisable group. It's too late in some areas already.

Mass immigration must end and be replaced by a selective skills based system. Illegal immigrants must be reduced to almost zero. Foreign criminals and those who act against the British way of life, including 2nd generation, should have their British citizenship revoked if applicable and be deported.

I oppose the people who allowed this all to happen.

 

[silvertop]

Back on topic Labour did not help their cause by selecting a DEI candidate.

They will never learn.

 

[beak]

Those who walk away because they do not like the direction of the Conservative Party or believe that the grass is greener elsewhere are of course free to do so.
Apropos the by-election, this was never really about the Conservative Party.It was an embarrassing and humiliating result for Labour with their vote halved since the General Election.

From someone advocating for the Tories that is a joke 1.9% of the vote and a lost deposit, deposits are paid to stop time wasters from standing that is the epitome of red faced embarrassment and tells me that your party fails to understand the sink hole you have dug for yourselves.You remind me of the knight in Monty Python who had every limb severed and wanted to continue fighting.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Back on topic Labour did not help their cause by selecting a DEI candidate.

They will never learn.

Back on topic?

Immigration, specifically the Muslim vote, is very much on topic.

You really think that Labour could have won with a different candidate? Who? Someone called Muhammed perhaps?

 

[Willo]

From someone advocating for the Tories that is a joke 1.9% of the vote and a lost deposit, deposits are paid to stop time wasters from standing that is the epitome of red faced embarrassment and tells me that your party fails to understand the sink hole you have dug for yourselves.You remind me of the knight in Monty Python who had every limb severed and wanted to continue fighting.

Total deflection away from the total embarrassment and humiliation suffered by Labour and Starmer.
Labour won the seat at the General Election and their vote was halved yesterday, so I will take no lectures from those commenting on the Conservative % of the vote.