New Manager Planning

[Nicholas91]

I dont think he's proven himself to be an elite manager. That only comes with sustained success at an elite level, which we are not at. What he has proven is that he has been successful, often beyond the clubs expectations, wherever he has been.

Agree with Big Egos comment. I wondered earlier; How will he cope with Big Egos, Big Expectation, Big Transfer kitty? as yet unknown, and probably one of the reasons he [supposedly] intends to leave, to prove himself on that stage.

Agree with this anaylsis of Glasner's identity.

He has turned us from 'boring' mid-table PL stalwarts into a Cup winning, European competing, top half team. A dramatic improvement and achieved within a couple of seasons.

I mentioned this in an earlier post but I think that is his preferred role/identity as a manager. Taking on a 'big team' would require immediate and sustained delivery of the highest goals (League titles/Champions Leagues) and my guess (and it is only a guess) is that he prefers the short-term, high impact roles as opposed to whatever is being referred to as 'elite' managerial jobs.

I wouldn't be surprised if he went to an 'elite' club however I'd guess that he'd go to one that has fallen below past standards (Chelsea/Man U etc.) as opposed to your Pools, Citehs or Madrids, where they have been at the top in recent times.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Agree with this anaylsis of Glasner's identity.

He has turned us from 'boring' mid-table PL stalwarts into a Cup winning, European competing, top half team. A dramatic improvement and achieved within a couple of seasons.

I mentioned this in an earlier post but I think that is his preferred role/identity as a manager. Taking on a 'big team' would require immediate and sustained delivery of the highest goals (League titles/Champions Leagues) and my guess (and it is only a guess) is that he prefers the short-term, high impact roles as opposed to whatever is being referred to as 'elite' managerial jobs.

I wouldn't be surprised if he went to an 'elite' club however I'd guess that he'd go to one that has fallen below past standards (Chelsea/Man U etc.) as opposed to your Pools, Citehs or Madrids, where they have been at the top in recent times.

What is that based on out of interest?

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

You can describe basically any system to make it sound basic - if it were easily done, everyone would do it.

It is Basic, but it certainly isn't easily done

 

[CrazyBadger]

Agree with this anaylsis of Glasner's identity.

He has turned us from 'boring' mid-table PL stalwarts into a Cup winning, European competing, top half team. A dramatic improvement and achieved within a couple of seasons.

I mentioned this in an earlier post but I think that is his preferred role/identity as a manager. Taking on a 'big team' would require immediate and sustained delivery of the highest goals (League titles/Champions Leagues) and my guess (and it is only a guess) is that he prefers the short-term, high impact roles as opposed to whatever is being referred to as 'elite' managerial jobs.

I wouldn't be surprised if he went to an 'elite' club however I'd guess that he'd go to one that has fallen below past standards (Chelsea/Man U etc.) as opposed to your Pools, Citehs or Madrids, where they have been at the top in recent times.

Agree, on the surface, ManU and Glasner are a perfect match.
1. One of the biggest clubs on the planet
2. Players underperforming
3. Many 'Big Egos' already departed, not many left
4. Deep pockets
5. Owners not expecting Miracles immediately (will get into at least a 2nd season)
6. Already attempting to play the same system he's been successful at.

problem is those underperforming players - are they underperforming because they're wrong for the system? Could Someone else change the system - something RA is unwilling to do - and get better results?

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

Agree, on the surface, ManU and Glasner are a perfect match.
1. One of the biggest clubs on the planet
2. Players underperforming
3. Many 'Big Egos' already departed, not many left
4. Deep pockets
5. Owners not expecting Miracles immediately (will get into at least a 2nd season)
6. Already attempting to play the same system he's been successful at.

problem is those underperforming players - are they underperforming because they're wrong for the system? Could Someone else change the system - something RA is unwilling to do - and get better results?

I think Glasner has 100% backing from his players, Amiron hasn't.

 

[rikz]

I think Glasner has 100% backing from his players, Amiron hasn't.

Because Amiron wants his players to suit his system, only now is he learning that he needs a system to suit his players.

 

[cROYdonrogers]

Because Amiron wants his players to suit his system, only now is he learning that he needs a system to suit his players.

So many managers make this mistake. Look at what you've got to start with and work from there.

 

[PatrickA]

I think Glasner has 100% backing from his players, Amiron hasn't.

I find the discussion on managers interesting.
The best team I have ever seen live was Pep’s Barcelona, a team that revelled in rapid pass and move with the ability to win the ball back quickly on the rare occasions they lost the ball.
They were relentless.
Nonetheless, when he went to Bayern Munich, Pep no longer looked a world beater at least on a global stage even if there was domestic trophies.
The players steeped in traditional German methods either did not or could not adapt to Pep’s methods.
Phillip Lahm improved under him being successfully converted from an attacking full back to a world class midfielder, but that was a rare success for Pep at Bayern in terms of player improvement.
Pep has evolved at City showing his pragmatic side moving the team from a Barcelona type approach when he first joined to a direct team geared towards getting the ball to Haaland as early and in as much space as possible.

I only really know Glasner from his work at Palace, and nobody can say for sure whether his methods would be successful at an elite club that just had to win.
There may be superstars at an elite club who refused to buy into Glasner’s methods or who didn’t suit the disciplined playing system.
I imagine the superstar would be straight into see the owner/ chairman with complaints of unfair treatment.

I have a high regard for Thomas Frank as a coach and people manager and yet he has struggled at Spurs as Mourinho, Conte and Pochettino have done before him.

We won’t know whether Glasner would succeed at an elite club until that day happens.
A word of caution though. At the beginning of last season he had a spell without a win for 8 or 9 games.
At an elite club that has to win , that may have been enough of a reason to dismiss him.

 

[Willo]

I find the discussion on managers interesting.
The best team I have ever seen live was Pep’s Barcelona, a team that revelled in rapid pass and move with the ability to win the ball back quickly on the rare occasions they lost the ball.
They were relentless.
Nonetheless, when he went to Bayern Munich, Pep no longer looked a world beater at least on a global stage even if there was domestic trophies.
The players steeped in traditional German methods either did not or could not adapt to Pep’s methods.
Phillip Lahm improved under him being successfully converted from an attacking full back to a world class midfielder, but that was a rare success for Pep at Bayern in terms of player improvement.
Pep has evolved at City showing his pragmatic side moving the team from a Barcelona type approach when he first joined to a direct team geared towards getting the ball to Haaland as early and in as much space as possible.

I only really know Glasner from his work at Palace, and nobody can say for sure whether his methods would be successful at an elite club that just had to win.
There may be superstars at an elite club who refused to buy into Glasner’s methods or who didn’t suit the disciplined playing system.
I imagine the superstar would be straight into see the owner/ chairman with complaints of unfair treatment.

I have a high regard for Thomas Frank as a coach and people manager and yet he has struggled at Spurs as Mourinho, Conte and Pochettino have done before him.

We won’t know whether Glasner would succeed at an elite club until that day happens.
A word of caution though. At the beginning of last season he had a spell without a win for 8 or 9 games.
At an elite club that has to win , that may have been enough of a reason to dismiss him.

When Thomas Frank succeeded Dean Smith at Brentford he lost 8 of his first 10 games in charge but the club persevered with him.
Perhaps at Tottenham a similar run will not produce the same outcome.

 

[Ex Dubai Eagle]

Does anyone think that if Celtic came calling it would interest OG ?

I only throw it out there given their current plight -

 

[beak]

Does anyone think that if Celtic came calling it would interest OG ?

I only throw it out there given their current plight -

A considerably smaller club.Celtic would not be Premiership material if they were allowed to play in Englands football system, without doubt inferior to wolves ,probably near Millwall's standard there fans remind me of the gentlemen who support Millwall.

 

[madcap_v2]

Talk in December about a new manager for the end of the season seems a bit odd and not very Palace.
I find it completely disrespecful to us, Glasner, Frank/Slot/Amorin/Whoever else Glasner is meant to be replacing, that this is being discussed now. It could be unsettling to a quite a few team's seasons. I can't see him at A Liverpool or a Chelsea and I don't think he's a big enough name for Man U. Glasner fits the profile completely as a Chelsea or Spurs flop, done a great job elsewhere, but fails to delivery at a "bigger club"

Hoping this will be similar to Olise in 2023, where we were all expecting the worst, the club called a press conference and we were given the surprising news that he is staying.

IMO it all depends on where we are come the end of January, but his best bet is to renew with us and continue to grow the exiting project we have here. At Palace, there is less weight of expertations, if we finish top 10 with a decent cup run (we're like 1 win away from the latter in 2 competitions), there is little/no pressure to deliver above that

 

[Nicholas91]

What is that based on out of interest?

At the risk of sounding 'Willo-esque' I have heard from German acquintances that this was perceived to be his mentality. He also has a managerial career that whilst not being too long, suggests he doesn't stay anywhere for an extended period and that has not been a result of him being sacked/forced out.

So it's more just an observation coupled with unverified anecdotes. All very subjective. I would place emphasis on my statement of 'I think' as opposed to treating it too serious a post, JIC anyone does. I think I'm viewing his stint with Frankfurt as being indicative and probably reflective of his intentions at Palace.

 

[Ex Dubai Eagle]

Talk in December about a new manager for the end of the season seems a bit odd and not very Palace.
I find it completely disrespecful to us, Glasner, Frank/Slot/Amorin/Whoever else Glasner is meant to be replacing, that this is being discussed now. It could be unsettling to a quite a few team's seasons. I can't see him at A Liverpool or a Chelsea and I don't think he's a big enough name for Man U. Glasner fits the profile completely as a Chelsea or Spurs flop, done a great job elsewhere, but fails to delivery at a "bigger club"

Hoping this will be similar to Olise in 2023, where we were all expecting the worst, the club called a press conference and we were given the surprising news that he is staying.

IMO it all depends on where we are come the end of January, but his best bet is to renew with us and continue to grow the exiting project we have here. At Palace, there is less weight of expertations, if we finish top 10 with a decent cup run (we're like 1 win away from the latter in 2 competitions), there is little/no pressure to deliver above that

The January transfer window is fast approaching, its not unusual at this time of year for clubs to decide that if a managerial change is going to be required (sooner rather than later) they would typically want to get the replacement in early enough to be able to get the best out of the transfer window -

 

[madcap_v2]

The January transfer window is fast approaching, its not unusual at this time of year for clubs to decide that if a managerial change is going to be required (sooner rather than later) they would typically want to get the replacement in early enough to be able to get the best out of the transfer window -

Yes but if(when) we replace Glasner, it will be at the end of the season, not now or during the January window, plus he isn't underperforming at all. So the whole will he/won't we, 5 months before the season ends is a new/weird one to me.

 

[Willo]

Yes but if(when) we replace Glasner, it will be at the end of the season, not now or during the January window, plus he isn't underperforming at all. So the whole will he/won't we, 5 months before the season ends is a new/weird one to me.

All the while there is uncertainty as to his prolonged tenure, speculation will be rife.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

Yes but if(when) we replace Glasner, it will be at the end of the season, not now or during the January window, plus he isn't underperforming at all. So the whole will he/won't we, 5 months before the season ends is a new/weird one to me.

He is the one creating the uncertainly but not signing a new contract.

 

[Badger11]

Glasner has form for not renewing his contract, that is his right of course. Frankfurt gave up and decided to sack him rather than hope he would.

I think Parish has done the best he can so far to keep Glasner onside. If the issue is lack of a transfer kitty well only Parish and the other owners know what they are prepared to pony up.

For us oldies it is typical Palace, in every silver lining there is a dark cloud. We will survive and bumble on.

 

[dreamwaverider]

Glasner isn't a stupid man, he will have researched Palace before he signed for us. He would of seen our transfer record in the last 10 years and what Roy had to deal with. Why did he think it would be any different for him, he has a track record of falling out with owners over transfer policies in the past.
He has done a great job so far, but can't hold the club to ransom, it's bigger than him.

Because someone told him so?

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Glasner has form for not renewing his contract, that is his right of course. Frankfurt gave up and decided to sack him rather than hope he would.

I think Parish has done the best he can so far to keep Glasner onside. If the issue is lack of a transfer kitty well only Parish and the other owners know what they are prepared to pony up.

For us oldies it is typical Palace, in every silver lining there is a dark cloud. We will survive and bumble on.

I disagree.

We went back on his previous assurances to OG that we'd get our business done earlier in the window this summer, and we've gone into the season with an insufficient squad for the volume of games we are due to play.

That's without even getting into the whole Guehi debacle where the club seemed to want to sell the club captain on deadline day.

We have left him short, after specifically promising him we wouldn't do so again, and after he delivered the most successful season in our history.