New Manager Planning

[dreamwaverider]

I think it's safe to say Glasner's future at Palace will depend on what happens in January. The reason he is not signing a new contract is because of our erratic transfer history since he has been with us. If we deliver in January then he will probably stay. It is our last chance to keep him.
Seems like a fair few posters here will be happy to see him go. Not me. He has got us playing some really good football and getting the best results we have ever had on all fronts.

 

[Eagle-Trucker]

If you look at the Getafe manager profile, he plays 4-4-2, but exactly the style of Glasner, it a long used tactic. goalkeeper or centre backs kick long, doesn't matter who wins the ball, its the second ball that counts, Palace are superb at hassling the man in possession to win the ball high up the pitch, the wide players cut inside to find the space, in defence its a solid low block, 5-4-1, no space through the middle so forcing the opponents to go wide to find space, Getafe are a poor team financially, they beat Atletico Madrid using the same tactics that we have to beat many "better" teams, the crucial thing is all players buying into the tactics, which they do, it wouldn't work at a team expecting the manager to put on a show, Getafe like Palace are at or near the bottom of the possession tables, but that doesn't matter to a Palace or a Getafe fan.

Exactly , its the result that counts , you wise old Sage .

 

[Eagle-Trucker]

I think it's safe to say Glasner's future at Palace will depend on what happens in January. The reason he is not signing a new contract is because of our erratic transfer history since he has been with us. If we deliver in January then he will probably stay. It is our last chance to keep him.
Seems like a fair few posters here will be happy to see him go. Not me. He has got us playing some really good football and getting the best results we have ever had on all fronts.

I dont want him to leave either , i do think its fair to say , he cant hold the club to randsom with his demands for more quality and for millions to be spent . Dont get me wrong we definitely do need strengthening all over the pitch . Steve has worked very hard to keep the club functioning within the ffp guidelines and to bring the overall wage bill down. Okay there has been a few mistakes along the way but no-body is perfect . Could a different manager get better out of the players we have ? i dont know . Whats my point . i dont know that either .

 

[Painter]

I think it's safe to say Glasner's future at Palace will depend on what happens in January. The reason he is not signing a new contract is because of our erratic transfer history since he has been with us. If we deliver in January then he will probably stay. It is our last chance to keep him.
Seems like a fair few posters here will be happy to see him go. Not me. He has got us playing some really good football and getting the best results we have ever had on all fronts.

Glasner isn't a stupid man, he will have researched Palace before he signed for us. He would of seen our transfer record in the last 10 years and what Roy had to deal with. Why did he think it would be any different for him, he has a track record of falling out with owners over transfer policies in the past.
He has done a great job so far, but can't hold the club to ransom, it's bigger than him.

 

[Casual]

I think we are at a massive crossroads.
In 5 years time we could be talking about how mad it was winning the fa cup and following Palace round Europe , or at the nou camp in the champions league laughing at how excited we was about the conference league.

 

[ASCPFC]

I think we are at a massive crossroads.
In 5 years time we could be talking about how mad it was winning the fa cup and following Palace round Europe , or at the nou camp in the champions league laughing at how excited we was about the conference league.

But hopefully not from a Championship or League One perspective.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

I think we are at a massive crossroads.
In 5 years time we could be talking about how mad it was winning the fa cup and following Palace round Europe , or at the nou camp in the champions league laughing at how excited we was about the conference league.

I tend to agree.

It's also why I find it surprising to see people so willing to move on from Glasner, Mateta etc. - we are only a couple of poor decisions away from being back stagnant in the bottom half (or worse).

Anyone who thinks managers and players of that calibre are easily replaceable is not being realistic in my opinion.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

I tend to agree.

It's also why I find it surprising to see people so willing to move on from Glasner, Mateta etc. - we are only a couple of poor decisions away from being back stagnant in the bottom half (or worse).

Anyone who thinks managers and players of that calibre are easily replaceable is not being realistic in my opinion.

I think all people think that Glasner is a good manager, and i hope he stays, but he is replaceable, the players are another thing, Eze and Olises replacement's are nowhere their standard, but i never thought they would be, Muñoz is a massive player for Palace, almost impossible to replace, but do we wont him and Mateta leaving for free, or sell while there stock is high, tricky

 

[Eagle-Trucker]

I tend to agree.

It's also why I find it surprising to see people so willing to move on from Glasner, Mateta etc. - we are only a couple of poor decisions away from being back stagnant in the bottom half (or worse).

Anyone who thinks managers and players of that calibre are easily replaceable is not being realistic in my opinion.

Yes thats fair enough and i respect your opinion, but i dont think it so much a case of wanting our manager and our top players to move on , but what can you do if they want to move on . Glasner , if you belive half of the reports is ready to throw in the towel because he wants more quality signings , Mateta want to move because he think he is Messi and wants to be paid like him , Munoz cant stop talking about leaving and has made it blatantly clear he want to leave and Guehi is want to leave for free in the Summer if we dont sell him in this window . Which is all fair enough I'd rather have players that want to play for Palace .

 

[CPFCSaturn]

I think all people think that Glasner is a good manager, and i hope he stays, but he is replaceable, the players are another thing, Eze and Olises replacement's are nowhere their standard, but i never thought they would be, Muñoz is a massive player for Palace, almost impossible to replace, but do we wont him and Mateta leaving for free, or sell while there stock is high, tricky

I don't think Glasner is particularly replaceable - he's an elite manager, and there's a very limited pool of those, and an even more limited pool who would come to a club like Palace.

It's not impossible, but it will be very difficult - I think more difficult than replacing any of the playing squad.

 

[Willo]

I tend to agree.

It's also why I find it surprising to see people so willing to move on from Glasner, Mateta etc. - we are only a couple of poor decisions away from being back stagnant in the bottom half (or worse).

Anyone who thinks managers and players of that calibre are easily replaceable is not being realistic in my opinion.

I have not spoken to a single supporter who does not want Glasner to remain in situ, however the consensus is he will not be at the helm next season.
I do not receive a running commentary on such matters but I have a 'Feeling in my water' that Glasner has made up his mind to seek 'Pastures new', Steve Parish is aware of his intention and it is now a question of making an announcement at an appropriate time.
Some have concluded that Glasner's comments yesterday stating that the players will be made aware first and the media second seems to suggest a parting of the ways.
Time will tell !

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

I don't think Glasner is particularly replaceable - he's an elite manager, and there's a very limited pool of those, and an even more limited pool who would come to a club like Palace.

It's not impossible, but it will be very difficult - I think more difficult than replacing any of the playing squad.

If he was an elite manager, do you not think he would be at an elite club, his tactics are basic, but he is very positive about what he does, and makes the players believe in him, which is a great talent, but doing that at a "Big egos" club is another matter.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

If he was an elite manager, do you not think he would be at an elite club, his tactics are basic, but he is very positive about what he does, and makes the players believe in him, which is a great talent, but doing that at a "Big egos" club is another matter.

No, I think Olise was an elite player while he was at Palace. I think Guehi is an elite centre-half now - I don't need to wait for him to sign for a big club to know that.

The idea that Glasner's tactics are basic is just silly - just because he's relatively inflexible with his system, it doesn't make the tactics basic. And it's clearly incredibly effective.

 

[Linford]

s*** squad ? He had mateta, benteke, buatshuai, eze, zaha and townsend one season and played zaha as a number 9, he didn't have a s*** squad he was just happy to pick up a point at home to teams in the bottom 3, Hodgsons achievements come nowhere near glasners.

Glasner would’ve won the Prem with all of those at hand! 😄

 

[Linford]

Glasner isn't a stupid man, he will have researched Palace before he signed for us. He would of seen our transfer record in the last 10 years and what Roy had to deal with. Why did he think it would be any different for him, he has a track record of falling out with owners over transfer policies in the past.
He has done a great job so far, but can't hold the club to ransom, it's bigger than him.

What did Roy have to deal with? He was spoilt for choice compared to most (or all) of our managers.

 

[Eagle-Trucker]

No, I think Olise was an elite player while he was at Palace. I think Guehi is an elite centre-half now - I don't need to wait for him to sign for a big club to know that.

The idea that Glasner's tactics are basic is just silly - just because he's relatively inflexible with his system, it doesn't make the tactics basic. And it's clearly incredibly effective.

Yes but Olise and Guehi do not have big egos, at Palace they were and are both very modest players .

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

No, I think Olise was an elite player while he was at Palace. I think Guehi is an elite centre-half now - I don't need to wait for him to sign for a big club to know that.

The idea that Glasner's tactics are basic is just silly - just because he's relatively inflexible with his system, it doesn't make the tactics basic. And it's clearly incredibly effective.

They are basic, get the ball forward long, scrap for the second ball, try and win it back in their third, if not revert to a tight low block and hit on the brake with pace, long throws and set pieces are high standard, that doesn't make it wrong, its very hard to play against, other clubs don't like playing against us.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

They are basic, get the ball forward long, scrap for the second ball, try and win it back in their third, if not revert to a tight low block and hit on the brake with pace, long throws and set pieces are high standard, that doesn't make it wrong, its very hard to play against, other clubs don't like playing against us.

You can describe basically any system to make it sound basic - if it were easily done, everyone would do it.

 

[rob1861]

What did Roy have to deal with? He was spoilt for choice compared to most (or all) of our managers.

My understanding is Roy squeezed a lot out of a squad lacking much attacking flair during his time. If you're mentioning Olise and Eze, they were both younger, developing and injured for large chunks of Roy's reign. (which may partly be down to training methods but who knows)

In addition the Pulis and Allardyce years had plunged us into debt with no sell on capability for players bought at the peak of their powers. Roy kept us in the league while the owners slowly corrected our finances. It took years to unpick the wrong strategic approach. It was Textors investment that allowed a shift to the new approach of buy young potential, polish up and sell on for a profit.

Now we have resale value and have to say goodbye to fantastic players, which is tough but at least they are with us for a while.

I would also say Roy played a different system and the great players he had towards the end didn't fit his approach i.e. Munoz.

As for next steps...It looks like the owners are being consistent and fixed on the long term direction of the club i.e. Stand rebuild to counter the new Squad Cost Ratio regulations put in to nobble clubs like Palace.

I hope we keep Glasner, he's brilliant, but i also have faith that if we go backwards short term, the increase in revenues and continued focus on sustainable growth is the right thing for our club in the long run.

Roy allowed us the breathing space to do this (in my view), he deserves a huge amount of credit, even if the football wasn't the most exciting to watch at times.

Up the palace!

 

[CrazyBadger]

If he was an elite manager, do you not think he would be at an elite club, his tactics are basic, but he is very positive about what he does, and makes the players believe in him, which is a great talent, but doing that at a "Big egos" club is another matter.

I dont think he's proven himself to be an elite manager. That only comes with sustained success at an elite level, which we are not at. What he has proven is that he has been successful, often beyond the clubs expectations, wherever he has been.

Agree with Big Egos comment. I wondered earlier; How will he cope with Big Egos, Big Expectation, Big Transfer kitty? as yet unknown, and probably one of the reasons he [supposedly] intends to leave, to prove himself on that stage.