Wolves vs Palace.....Match Thread

[MrRobbo]

Glasner spoke about the club carrying a smaller squad into the new season to create clearer pathways for the youth players to step up. Well, if ever there was an opportunity for a player to step up it's now. It's an almost certainty that Kamada will start in central midfield against Fulham but then that just leaves Doucoure who has played very little football over the past year or Schlupp who looks like this is one season too far for him. After that, it's asking someone to play out of position, but even then I don't see any obvious options unless you disrupt the back three by moving Trevor into midfield. It will be an experienced first-team so now is perhaps the time to give someone like Devenny their opportunity. He's 21 and seems confident in himself having captained the U21s while he also has experience of playing men's football in Scotland.

I'm really worried about CM against Fulham. Doucoure looked miles off the pace when he came on.

Not against Devenny, but its really unfair asking him to come in and partner a no10 playing out of position, or Doucoure who hasnt really played in over a year.

But I dont know a huge amount about the lad, maybe he'll come in and smash it

 

[PatrickA]

I'm really worried about CM against Fulham. Doucoure looked miles off the pace when he came on.

Not against Devenny, but its really unfair asking him to come in and partner a no10 playing out of position, or Doucoure who hasnt really played in over a year.

But I dont know a huge amount about the lad, maybe he'll come in and smash it

I’m concerned too about the Fulham game in terms of midfield options.

Fulham sling 5 players across their midfield,
Traore, Pereira, Berge, Smith Rowe and Iwobi.
These are frequently bolstered by attacking full backs Tete and Robinson.

To counter that with an out of position Kamada and an untried Devenny or unfit Schlupp is asking for problems.

I’ve seen us outplayed by Fulham a few times at Selhurst Park in recent seasons and it’s not a pleasant experience.

Personally I would put Chaloboah or Guehi into defensive midfield and slot Clyne into the back 3 and work on this in training during the week.

 

[palace chick]

With our injuries and suspensions, I will be very surprised if we gain a point.
To my mind, Fulham will be far too strong on the day.

I don’t disagree with that unless Nketia and Sarr improve in front of goal and those in front of our back 3 don’t go so gun ho as they did on Saturday. Pretty sure we would have won with a bit more composure and the ref / VAR had been better on big decisions?

 

[Palacesince64]

We will miss Hughes more than anyone I suspect. His energy in midfield would have been important against Fulham. No option but to play Doucoure and Devenney if we want to keep the back 3. Ollie has already hinted at it. At least the game will help Doucoure get match fit and give Devenney experience. You never know, it might be a winning combination!

 

[NMPalace]

I’m concerned too about the Fulham game in terms of midfield options.

Fulham sling 5 players across their midfield,
Traore, Pereira, Berge, Smith Rowe and Iwobi.
These are frequently bolstered by attacking full backs Tete and Robinson.

To counter that with an out of position Kamada and an untried Devenny or unfit Schlupp is asking for problems.

I’ve seen us outplayed by Fulham a few times at Selhurst Park in recent seasons and it’s not a pleasant experience.

Personally I would put Chaloboah or Guehi into defensive midfield and slot Clyne into the back 3 and work on this in training during the week.

Exactly my thoughts.
After Eze's and Wharton's injuries i thought it was a lazy choice to put Eddie on the left and Kamada in midfield as both have shown they are not suited to these positions.
Yet that's what OG did. Both played exactly as expected - not good enough.

With Hughes's stupid booking we now have a massive issue.
Chaloboah has played defensive CM before and his attempt at stopping the 1st goal on Sat was criminal - maybe he needs to be moved forward. Having Clyne on the right side might also help us as Robinson is a very attack minded LB.

Doucoure is looking off the pace but we don't have much choice.

I'd play Kamada on the left (as a Eze replacement) and drop Eddie.

 

[taylors lovechild]

I'm really worried about CM against Fulham. Doucoure looked miles off the pace when he came on.

Not against Devenny, but its really unfair asking him to come in and partner a no10 playing out of position, or Doucoure who hasnt really played in over a year.

But I dont know a huge amount about the lad, maybe he'll come in and smash it

My guess is Devenny won't start, but the fact he has captained the U21s and has played 60 games at senior level (albeit in Scotland) suggests he might have a chance of standing up to the test. OG sees him in training so I'm sure he's best placed to make the call. The idea of Kamada and Schlupp as our midfield pairing gives me nightmares.

 

[MabbsWasKing]

But if you're gonna complain about Chalabah then Guehi has to take a big chunk of blame for the first goal. His charge up the pitch left Lacroix exposed and no one to mark Larson (bit similar to Anderson for first Brentford goal on opening day).

Although I think Taylor didn't have a really bad day I still think he got the two big decisions wrong. The fact we didn't even get a free kick for the Dawson handball and it then led to Hendo nearly getting concusion! And then he bottled it in the last minute by not letting the goal stand!

Personally I don't blame Guehi for that. I thought he was doing exactly what he should when playing with three centre backs and if one of them makes that run then the rest of the team have to take that into account.
Nketia had to either control that ball or if he was going to lose it foul their player. Sadly he did neither. He must have been aware Guehi was tanking past him leaving space behind.

 

[MrRobbo]

Personally I don't blame Guehi for that. I thought he was doing exactly what he should when playing with three centre backs and if one of them makes that run then the rest of the team have to take that into account.
Nketia had to either control that ball or if he was going to lose it foul their player. Sadly he did neither. He must have been aware Guehi was tanking past him leaving space behind.

Agree, he's old enough and been around this level long enough to know that you cant lose it in times like that

 

[doombear]

Personally I don't blame Guehi for that. I thought he was doing exactly what he should when playing with three centre backs and if one of them makes that run then the rest of the team have to take that into account.
Nketia had to either control that ball or if he was going to lose it foul their player. Sadly he did neither. He must have been aware Guehi was tanking past him leaving space behind.

I'm fully with you on this. Guehi was doing what he should have been doing (and probably what Glasner wanted him to do) namely carry on forward so as to provide Nketiah with an easy passing option whislt the Wolves defence were struggling to get back. Unfortunately, Nketiah tried to impress us all at the game by trying to beat his man (something he'd failed to achieve on several previous occasions). Nketiah and Chalobah between them are to blame for that first goal IMHO.

 

[Palacesince64]

I'm fully with you on this. Guehi was doing what he should have been doing (and probably what Glasner wanted him to do) namely carry on forward so as to provide Nketiah with an easy passing option whislt the Wolves defence were struggling to get back. Unfortunately, Nketiah tried to impress us all at the game by trying to beat his man (something he'd failed to achieve on several previous occasions). Nketiah and Chalobah between them are to blame for that first goal IMHO.

I agree Nketiah and Chalobah were at fault but you have to question the wisdom of having your centre back overlapping when your 1-0 up away from home against a team that scores most of their goals on the break, so I don’t think Guehi is blameless.
While we’re on the subject, Mitchell should have been covering for Guehi’s absence and busting a gut to get back when Nketiah lost the ball so he could cover when Lacroix had to leave his man. Instead he was ball watching and jogging back until it was too late.

 

[Stirlingsays]

While I'd agree with some of the criticisms and indeed have made them myself I would also have to say that we have had quite a chunk of bad luck already this season.

Injuries are par for the course and will always affect the less rich clubs more, however instances like the disallowed goal here are indicative of a season that contains a lot of important decisions against us.

 

[ASCPFC]

While I'd agree with some of the criticisms and indeed have made them myself I would also have to say that we have had quite a chunk of bad luck already this season.

Injuries are par for the course and will always affect the less rich clubs more, however instances like the disallowed goal here are indicative of a season that contains a lot of important decisions against us.

Indeed, we've played everyone at the wrong time and had a couple of bad decisions. However, at the end of last season, we played everyone at the right time. We've also had some decisions go our way. So it's kind of swings and roundabouts.
I think the injuries are lack of squad depth and poor forward planning. I have no idea if our medical department is any good - one would presume it's professional enough. Not just luck, however. Could have been managed better, in my opinion.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Refwatch today cleared up the disallowed goal. Apparently if the goalkeeper has a hand on the ball he's deemed to be in control of it and so can't be challenged. The fact that he then spilled the ball was irrelevant because of the challenge on him.

 

[dreamwaverider]

The highest wage is to do with his arriving on a free and spreading the signing on fee over the durstion of the contract; to the best of my understanding the club's outlay is as would be typical for a £20m transfer. Statistically he did significantly better than Hughes, though to watch there didn't seem to be such a difference. He was playing in his 'can also' position rather than his best - probably also true for Hughes but then no one's suggesting an academy prospect might be preferable to him, though it might come to that if Ducoure can't manage a full game on his return or has an adverse reaction to yesterday's outing.

Sadly, the biggest winner on this deal will be HMR. Even though it arguably may help a few, Ive never been a fan of higher taxation at any level, especially when it is under a Marxist regime.

 

[dreamwaverider]

Looks like I owe an apology to the ref at Wolves re Mateta late goal.
Apparently the rules state if the keeper gets one hand on top of the ball on the ground, then you are not allowed to challenge him. That is the rule, so when Munoz in his usual way went thundering into the keeper it was a foul. Fair play. But keep up the aggressive challenges Munoz. He is such a good challenger. Sorry Mr Taylor, looks like you were spot on.

 

[CrazyBadger]

Must say, that for me it would have been harsh for Mateta's goal to have stood. If that had hapenned to Hendo, I'd have been pee'd off if the ref allowed it.
Saying that; Munoz did nothing wrong, and I don't think he actually fouled their keeper, as he went in for a 50/50 that was there to be won and from the angles I've seen he could have actually gotten to the ball first, so (arguably) the keeper fouled him!
The letter of the law is indeed that if the keeper has 2 hands - or one hand with the ball connected to the ground (as J.hart described on motd). But if in the process of getting the ball he takes out the attacking player, what then?

In summary, either outcome would have had the other side screaming 'wrong decision'. but, as we all know, keepers are overly protected in this game.

 

[NMPalace]

I agree Nketiah and Chalobah were at fault but you have to question the wisdom of having your centre back overlapping when your 1-0 up away from home against a team that scores most of their goals on the break, so I don’t think Guehi is blameless.
While we’re on the subject, Mitchell should have been covering for Guehi’s absence and busting a gut to get back when Nketiah lost the ball so he could cover when Lacroix had to leave his man. Instead he was ball watching and jogging back until it was too late.

Not sure i agree with this. MG won the ball played it to Eddie and saw an opportunity to go forward. Clearly Eddie lost the ball cheaply and the rest is history.

However, we were still 2 v 2 at the back so all Chalobah had to do is assess the danger and not jump in. If he had backed off a yard the goal would likely have been avoided.

Having said that Wolves made a triple sub only a few minutes before and went 442 - yet Palace didn't adjust to this at all. Maybe we should have gone 352 immediately. Either Sarr or Eddie were obvious targets to be subbed

 

[Stirlingsays]

Refwatch today cleared up the disallowed goal. Apparently if the goalkeeper has a hand on the ball he's deemed to be in control of it and so can't be challenged. The fact that he then spilled the ball was irrelevant because of the challenge on him.

If a keeper has the ball under control and a challenge makes him spill it then fair enough.

Personally I wouldn't consider a hand on a ball as having it under control....in touch with the ground maybe, but it's interpretation as to the level of control.... two hands yes but not one.

Seems like a rule that's overly pro keeper to me.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

If a keeper has the ball under control and a challenge makes him spill it then fair enough.

Personally I wouldn't consider a hand on a ball as having it under control....in touch with the ground maybe, but it's interpretation as to the level of control.... two hands yes but not one.

Seems like a rule that's overly pro keeper to me.

They generally are pro keeper! I've always thought it had to be both hands on the ball but that was years ago and one is enough. Even if his arm is holding the ball on the ground he's deemed to have it under control.

 

[Stirlingsays]

They generally are pro keeper! I've always thought it had to be both hands on the ball but that was years ago and one is enough. Even if his arm is holding the ball on the ground he's deemed to have it under control.

Yep it sucks for us but I suppose if it had gone the other way we wouldn't be complaining.

Ruddy typical of how things have gone so far.