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Wharton

dreamwaverider said:
The big difference is that we will be naming the price not like Olise, as Wharton does not have a release clause.
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Whatever the price, at some point we need to take a stand and move to the next level. I get so frustrated that Bournemouth, Fulham and Brentford etc are looking like more established clubs than us, in fact I’m positively sick of it.

If we want to keep a decent manager and move forwards we need to build and KEEP a team together for a few seasons. Bring in cover in the places we all know needs strengthening. Our main starting 11 is competive in this league and so we are really not that far away but it always seems to be out of our grasp. We always just look a bit Mickey Mouse and cut corners or do things on the cheap or too late. I understand resources are tight at Palace but long term we need to grow or we might as well pack up and go home.

I also know how good we have it now. Best run in the top flight bar none but that doesn’t mean we should just except that’s as good as it gets for us.

I get that Olise was out of our hands. I can even see what the powers that be were thinking with Anderson out and Max in (looking like decent business now although I’m pretty certain he was brought in for MG not Anderson).

Ayew was a strange one. 8 million was a lot of money for a player of his age but hindsight is a wonderful thing and he would have had plenty of game time with all the injuries we’ve had plus who knew how bad Kamada would be.

This coming window I believe will tell us a lot about where we are going.
 
PalazioVecchio said:
Fit enough for light training and Match-fit are two very different things. Wharton certainly has an excellent footballing brain. But i predict him now to be a risky question-mark until at least the end of February. Risky for a) getting re-injured and b) for just not being up to speed in this unforgiving league.

We may need to consider bringing in some new blood for that position. Cos if Hughes gets injured we will be fecked.
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What about Devenny?
 
Just how bad was his injury? He should never have played at the start of the season. He should have had his op as soon as it was known and he would probably be back and fit now. We gained absolutely nothing putting the kid on the field of play. That is on OG even if the kid said he could play. This has got to have been worse because the club waited and played an injured 20 year old. Madness.
 
DenTyler said:
Just how bad was his injury? He should never have played at the start of the season. He should have had his op as soon as it was known and he would probably be back and fit now. We gained absolutely nothing putting the kid on the field of play. That is on OG even if the kid said he could play. This has got to have been worse because the club waited and played an injured 20 year old. Madness.
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Its not 'on OG'. And there is always a bigger story than we are aware of

There would have been a team of physios, doctors, sports scientists, consulting surgeons etc. All experience professionals that made the call given the info they had. Ironically he's had the opp and still has an issue so no reason that wouldn't have happened if he's had the opp earlier in the season.

Regardless, missing such an important player isn't ideal. His influence on the attacking unit cannot be understated
 
OffTheFence said:
He had a hernia so it was always going to require surgery, for which footballers usually require 6 weeks to recover. No two hernias are the same though and while they can be assessed preop by their size and the amount of discomfort they are causing the person, the surgeon doesn’t know what he’s going to face until he gets them under the knife.

I’d imagine OG sat down with the medical team and AW at the start of the season and together they discussed how he was feeling and the state of the squad at the time. Playing with a hernia isn’t really an issue- having had 2 in my 30s so I know fine well that they can be a little uncomfortable and he would have been unlikely to give 100% as, naturally, he’d have been conscious of the discomfort and weakness in that area- that would have prevented him putting maximum power into what he was doing.

The problem with playing with a hernia is that it can make it worse (I had to wait ages for my first op and consequently when I had the op the surgeon told me it was a mess in there so recovery would take a little longer than usual. They got me in quickly for my second and the difference in recovery time following the op was significant). I guess, given that he came off so early in the Villa cup game he’s likely to have pushed it a bit too hard and made it worse- hence then going for the op.

I think last Sunday was 6 weeks post op and Glasner said at the weekend that he’d had a reaction to a couple of days heavy training last week. OG is now saying he needs a few more weeks. I don’t think/ hope that that isn’t a recurrence of the issue, it just shows that our medical team is cautious and allowing him time to heal.

The good news is, when he has recovered and is ready to return it is unlikely to have any lasting effect on his game in a way that other injuries might (like knee ligaments or hamstrings).
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Thanks for sharing your experience. It demonstrates why no-one really knows the fine detail of any particular injury, and why the club does not publicise too much detail.
On a positive note, I like the last paragraph, as that has been troubling me. So when Wharton makes it back and to full match fitness we should see him performing like last season again.
Can't wait. The kid is a serious talent.
 
Lots of speculation about the nature of the injury. What I would say is that human physiology isn’t always fully predictable. You never know how people react to surgery, the effects it can have on other parts of the body (for example different muscles having to work harder) and sometimes there is just plain old bad luck involved.

What it sounds like is that we may not see a fully fit and firing Wharton again this season. If a return date of February is being talked about he wouldn’t be back to 100% condition until at least mid March and not likely to be ready to start until mid April.
 
JHB said:
Lots of speculation about the nature of the injury. What I would say is that human physiology isn’t always fully predictable. You never know how people react to surgery, the effects it can have on other parts of the body (for example different muscles having to work harder) and sometimes there is just plain old bad luck involved.

What it sounds like is that we may not see a fully fit and firing Wharton again this season. If a return date of February is being talked about he wouldn’t be back to 100% condition until at least mid March and not likely to be ready to start until mid April.
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I’d add that the only upside to this is it reduces the chances of him leaving in the summer. Could happen but don’t think many clubs will want to pay lots for a player coming back from a long term injury
 
JHB said:
I’d add that the only upside to this is it reduces the chances of him leaving in the summer. Could happen but don’t think many clubs will want to pay lots for a player coming back from a long term injury
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You’re right but I think we were saying similar things about Olise a year ago
 
JHB said:
I’d add that the only upside to this is it reduces the chances of him leaving in the summer. Could happen but don’t think many clubs will want to pay lots for a player coming back from a long term injury
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Certainly not EU 100m anyway.
 
DenTyler said:
Just how bad was his injury? He should never have played at the start of the season. He should have had his op as soon as it was known and he would probably be back and fit now. We gained absolutely nothing putting the kid on the field of play. That is on OG even if the kid said he could play. This has got to have been worse because the club waited and played an injured 20 year old. Madness.
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Another one that thinks he knows better than the medical staff or the coaching staff.
When the player, the specialist, the medical staff are all agreed the injury may not even need surgery and could clear up with rest what are you suggesting they should have done? Give him an operation anyway?
No one was to know his injury would become more uncomfortable or worsten at that time. If I were OG I think I'd personally have preferred to listen to the specialist's advise as well as the medical team at the club rather than ring you up and get your views. Then again, back then you'd probably have been in agreement with them and said the same anyway. Hindsight is a powerful 'I told you so weapon' wouldn't you agree.
All any coach can do in a situation like this is follow the advice of the experts. That is exactly what Palace coaches have done with Wharton from day one. None of us are mind readers. No one could know his recovery would have complications and throwing blame around doesn't really achieve a single thing.
 
Did he pick it up at the Euro's? Could explain why he didn't see a minute there when his skillset was what England was clearly missing
 
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