Hopefully Doucoure can build up his stamina and sharpness as right now he doesn’t look back to 100%. It’s a big ‘if’ but if he can get back to previous levels then it will be like a new player
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Wharton
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Why when anything happens do some fans jump straight away to it being negligence?!
Maybe they did everything right, and he just reacted badly to intense training
Maybe but it has also happened to Franca, Doucoure and now Riad as well. Hopefully all a coincidence
OffTheFence
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He had a hernia so it was always going to require surgery, for which footballers usually require 6 weeks to recover. No two hernias are the same though and while they can be assessed preop by their size and the amount of discomfort they are causing the person, the surgeon doesn’t know what he’s going to face until he gets them under the knife.
I’d imagine OG sat down with the medical team and AW at the start of the season and together they discussed how he was feeling and the state of the squad at the time. Playing with a hernia isn’t really an issue- having had 2 in my 30s so I know fine well that they can be a little uncomfortable and he would have been unlikely to give 100% as, naturally, he’d have been conscious of the discomfort and weakness in that area- that would have prevented him putting maximum power into what he was doing.
The problem with playing with a hernia is that it can make it worse (I had to wait ages for my first op and consequently when I had the op the surgeon told me it was a mess in there so recovery would take a little longer than usual. They got me in quickly for my second and the difference in recovery time following the op was significant). I guess, given that he came off so early in the Villa cup game he’s likely to have pushed it a bit too hard and made it worse- hence then going for the op.
I think last Sunday was 6 weeks post op and Glasner said at the weekend that he’d had a reaction to a couple of days heavy training last week. OG is now saying he needs a few more weeks. I don’t think/ hope that that isn’t a recurrence of the issue, it just shows that our medical team is cautious and allowing him time to heal.
The good news is, when he has recovered and is ready to return it is unlikely to have any lasting effect on his game in a way that other injuries might (like knee ligaments or hamstrings).
Phil’s Barber
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What has happened to Riad? He played a week ago against Anderlecht for the U21’s, after 3 months out. Has he had a reaction to that or a new injury? I see he was taken off at half time.
silvertop
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EPL Injury has him at 25% likely to play tonight with a late fitness test.
Possibly on the bench for the weekend?
Teddy Eagle
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He's listed as "lacking match fitness" which would fit in with his only playing half the game.
Phil’s Barber
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Ok chaps, thank you.
I thought from Spidey’s post that I’d missed something and he’d had a reaction to playing last week or had had a set back.
I thought from Spidey’s post that I’d missed something and he’d had a reaction to playing last week or had had a set back.
Just feels like some fans have no trust in anything. And need someone to point a finger at.
A few weeks ago, the formations was wrong, and Glasner was making all the wrong decisions.
Now the medical team are dropping the ball and rushing players back.
With the Jan window coming up it will soon be Dougie and Steve
Maybe, just maybe, everyone is doing a pretty good job in a very dynamic industry!
NEILLO
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I think those critisising Palace's medical team need to bear in mind that there are a number of different factors at play with injuries.
It's not an exact science whereby you can predict how long recovery will take and indeed anticipate reactions once active again.
Obviously the club want players to play sooner rather than later, but I seriously doubt that the medical team are in the business of over promising and then under delivering.
In Whartons case it looks like the club tried their best to manage his injury before bowing to the inevitable once it was clear there was no other option. Now his recovery and return to full fitness needs to be managed, and his return date is therefore subject to change.
It's not an exact science whereby you can predict how long recovery will take and indeed anticipate reactions once active again.
Obviously the club want players to play sooner rather than later, but I seriously doubt that the medical team are in the business of over promising and then under delivering.
In Whartons case it looks like the club tried their best to manage his injury before bowing to the inevitable once it was clear there was no other option. Now his recovery and return to full fitness needs to be managed, and his return date is therefore subject to change.
Teddy Eagle
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Overall our injury list isn't too bad compared to other clubs. We have seven listed unavailable but that includes Holding who doesn't really count, Eze who's got a knock and is being tested and Munoz who's suspended.
Phil’s Barber
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The thing with that though is that Wharton was like a different player at the beginning of the season.
Nowhere near at the level we know he can be and he played several games with his injury and was poor by comparison to his form of the previous season. We didn’t gain anything by delaying his surgery because he was nowhere near his best when he did play. If anything we have suffered more because as was said earlier, he could’ve recovered when we had fewer games because of the 3 international breaks and now be ready for the remainder of the Season.
I’m sure the injury was a factor in his drop in play but it could also have been a simple loss of form, opposition being prepared for him, the team in general playing poorly and adjusting to no longer having Olise creating space
NEILLO
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I would contend that Eze, Guehi, Lerma and Munoz were not at their best earlier in the season as well.
I know Wharton sustained his injury on international duty and that had an impact on his early season form as well.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. No, we didn't gain anything by delaying the surgery. The decision to delay was part of the injury management process and it didn't work in our favour. If it had, I doubt there would be many on here praising the medical team for that.
tshepp897
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One other factor that no one has raised on this conversation, (apologies if it has and I missed it), is the decision was most probably heavily weighted towards what Adam wanted to do himself, based on medical advise. If he really wanted to try and play on and delay the surgery then it would have been very hard to not allow him to do that.
Aray
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Sorry I think they should have given him an op ASAP. I can see why they tried to manage it but he clearly wasn't playing 100%. Of course I'm an arm chair manager.
With Wharton I imagine the decision was do you play and try and manage the injury or have surgery immediately and be out from anywhere between 6 and 10 weeks. Given where we were at the start of the season with very limited options of fully fit and Premier League experienced players I can totally understand why he and the club wanted to play.
As we are seeing surgery is never precise for athletes. Recovery times are always variable and the risk of getting a new injury is always there. Even for routine surgery it puts the body under stress and recovery means other areas of the body are working harder and more prone to injury. There is a reason so many players often pick up secondary injuries.
As we are seeing surgery is never precise for athletes. Recovery times are always variable and the risk of getting a new injury is always there. Even for routine surgery it puts the body under stress and recovery means other areas of the body are working harder and more prone to injury. There is a reason so many players often pick up secondary injuries.
Indeed.
They also might not have known if he 100% needed surgery at that point. My understanding was that it was pain. Not a muscle injury where he literally couldn't play.
He could train and play but sometimes it was ok, sometimes agony. So they tried to rest first, and see if the pain went away. It didnt and hence the need for the opp
You are probably right. If it was pain I think people underestimate how often players are playing through pain or minor injury. At least a few every game. Different sports but I used to know a few pro cricketers and they said bowlers in particular were almost always playing through some sort of pain and minor injury