I'm a new member and not followed the thread from the beginning so I don't know what you said originally and my view is only observation. My view is also that had Biden given fuller backing then Russia would've been defeated, the fact that Putin will agree to this deal is because he knows how powerful the USA is militarily and Trump knows it too. Putin knows that if he doesn't agree he's going to piss off Trump and get smashed on the battlefield and the unlike Biden, Trump isn't going to s*** the bed about Putin's nuke sabre rattling.
If you take the position that we have to defeat Russia over Ukraine (I don't but there you go) then it's certainly true that to achieve that you needed both Ukraine, Europe's and America's army.
There is also the question of timing at what point are we talking about? If this had been done in 2022 then it would be far more easy than now as Russia essentially only had around 400,000 troops at that point whereas now that's doubled.
It's conceivable that in a world without nuclear weapons that this might have happened and that America and Europe would have committed to fighting Russia conventionally.
But while you personally and a small number of war hawks are convinced that MAD will always work and that Russia would never press the button I and quite frankly the majority at the top levels in the State department (both Biden and Trump officials) don't agree with that.
Regardless, there isn't enough support in the US for boots on the ground and never was. The outline for involvement was made quite clear by Biden and Ukraine were constantly looking to involve the US in the actual physical fighting...still are.
That said, if Trump had stayed in power I don't think Putin would've invaded. He may have just waited but I don't think Trump would've let him and I think the excuse of Ukraine and NATO expansion would've been scaled back. Trump was already criticising European nations military spend the first time round.
Sure, the original America motive was to inch Ukraine out of Russia's orbit and be right up onto Russia's borders....the idea being is that eventually you break Russia up into competing regions and thus end its threat. It's not rocket science, it's just lied about like everything else. However, 2014 changed all that and 2022 essentially bought us into this second cold war......The whole neocon ideology has been a fecking disaster for Joe Public everywhere.
It's true that Trump was a complete break from that....he isn't a neocon unless it's Israel and so I imagine he and Putin would have come to terms....They would have certainly have agreed on the 2022 deal that's for certain and Ukraine would have avoided much of this disaster and have twenty percent of its country back.
What I don't think you are getting is exactly America's long term motivation in all this. America don't care about Ukraine, only as a low cost proxy, they don't care about all the morality stuff that's waffled about. What they care about is weakening Russia and divorcing Germany from Russia....the Nord pipeline is gone (Ukraine/US did that), America energy is being bought, two more Nato countries to sell arms to and division is achieved in Europe.....Job done, so now they want out. All Trump sees is that the wins are already accomplished and he's only seeing extra cost in remaining.
The only difference between Biden and Trump is the timing. Biden would have gone on much longer but essentially both would have cut and run before boots on the ground were required.
I also don't think most western people have seen the brutality of this war, the media given has shielded them, and a quick trip onto Rumble would've have them realise that it's not pretty, even after they are taken prisoner (especially Ukrainian prisoners). That's sobering.
One hundred percent, this has been the first war where a complete layman who might be interested in the actual truth could compare the mainstream media to alternative media and actually accessed both propaganda campaigns and actual real footage from the war and decide for themselves what they agreed with.
As for Gaza, Trumps plan is my suggestion from post Oct 7 on the BBS, those c**** Hamas dug down not built up.
I'm just fed up with involvement in foreign wars.
For example, India gets to just watch.....No one's selling narratives about involvement for India are they.
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