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War in Ukraine

Stirlingsays said:
'How the NPC class rolls.
1) Get crushed by reality.
2) Do no self-reflection.
3) Call those who disagree names, 'Putin stooge!' Munich!
4) More extreme delusions.
5) Get crushed by reality...'

(Dominic Cummings, 7th Nov 2024)
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Cummins, jeez.

Today though the rest of NATO backed up Ukraine in solidarity.
 
eaglesdare said:
Anyways.....this is what escalation looks like:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1896257717783937343
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Yep, Starmer and the British establishment are willing to escalate to the extent that British people will get killed over Ukraine.

For zero gain, only costs.

Which is the only path social liberals seem capable to following.

I'll be surprised if Trump risks any American military lives in Ukraine....because he knows it's a ploy to get him to fight Russia. If anything happens I suspect it won't be under Nato protections.

And I can't see Russia ever agreeing to it anyway......Just seems to be a non starter from the start.

However, you might just be seeing these clowns starting their long denied 'European Army' here.
 
Spindle said:
Exactly what he needs to say to send a message to Putin. How would it be different to Putins nuke threats?
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The whole point of Putin invading Ukraine was that Russia did not want EU or NATO troops on thier border.

Russia invaded Ukraine over that. What do you think they will do if UK, NATO or EU troops decide to do just that? 🤷🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️
 
Spindle said:
Cummins, jeez.

Today though the rest of NATO backed up Ukraine in solidarity.
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You seem desperate to get British people killed for Ukraine.....if that happens just don't go missing when it all turns against you.

Are you signing up for all this? Because if they go I'm sure they will be sending over the territorials.
 
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Spindle said:
He's talking about peace deal security guarantees, not deployment into the current conflict. Surely you must see that.
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I don't trust the Ukrainians.....who desperately want their land back.....having our lads and equipment there......There would probably be an 'incident' and it all goes off.

I'd require a completely different Ukrainian leadership, one that was neutral before I'd even countenance it personally......Russia would have to agree to it.
 
Until that air superiority is guaranteed I'll just do what they are doing, stay low, lock up cruise missiles and Fox3 them.

They are Block 50s, just like in DCS 😀
 
Spindle said:
He's talking about peace deal security guarantees, not deployment into the current conflict. Surely you must see that.
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I think his brain is wired to understand what English words mean in a different way to ours. It’s clear to anyone what Starmer said and meant.
 
DanH said:
What part of “in the event of a peace deal” are you struggling with?

We can go word for word if you like.
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I think the part you're struggling with is the Europeans making up a part of the peace deal without the Russians and Americans.....it's kind of missing the whole point.....Both have already dismissed troops in Ukraine.

This sounds more like a way of smuggling in a 'European army' to me.....something that's been denied for donkey's years.
 
DanH said:
What part of “in the event of a peace deal” are you struggling with?

We can go word for word if you like.
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I don't think you understand. Russia don't want EU, NATO, UK or US troops in Ukraine. This is why they invaded Ukraine in the first place.

Do you honestly think that Russia would agree to a peace deal if they know these troops would be deployed?

This was the issue with the minerals deal. Trump did not have troops to go with it which zelensky wanted. As far I am aware anyway and could be corrected.
 
Stirlingsays said:
I think the part you're struggling with is the Europeans making up part of the peace deal without the Russians and Americans.....Who have both already dismissed troops in Ukraine.

This sounds more like a way of smuggling in a 'European army' to me.....something that's been denied for donkey's years.
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Well it wouldn’t happen without any agreement, so there’s no troops in Ukraine. Why are you now arguing against the meaning of words?
 
eaglesdare said:
I don't think you understand. Russia don't want EU, NATO, UK or US troops in Ukraine. This is why they invaded Ukraine in the first place.

Do you honestly think that Russia would agree to a peace deal if they know these troops would be deployed?

This was the issue with the minerals deal. Trump did not have troops to go with it which zelensky wanted. As far I am aware anyway and could be corrected.
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This is a massive stretch and again just parroting the Kremlin line.

So if it would only happen in the event of a peace deal, how is it escalation?
 
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