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War in Ukraine

Wisbech Eagle said:
Who on earth would bother with amending their constitution just so they could hold elections when under martial law, with 20% of their land occupied, a third of their people abroad and their cities under attack every day. They have rather more important things on their mind.

Anyone who seriously believes they should, or even could, do that is crazy.

A peace deal THEY negotiate comes first. Any election held under just a ceasefire would hang over and influence the electorate with the threat that hostilities would be resumed if they don’t vote the way that Putin wants.
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A peace deal that Ukraine negotiate comes first?

Ok Corny, I hear what you think....However we will see what happens.
 
There may be another political war. Don't assume that all the people who voted Trump support this. The Dems we know and they lost, but about half the Republicans at least definitely consider Putin the enemy and the vast majority of Americans aren't going to be glossed over on what the man is on the back of a few tweets. Trump is in for 4 anyway but rest assured his approval rating is going to suffer from it. I very much doubt running on the ticket "I'll end the war in Ukraine" would've worked if he'd have said "I'll end the war in Ukraine by saddling right up to my mate Putin and surrendering America to the Kremlin".

I actually think that Europe are going to step in and the political pressure in the USA from the now shocked and appalled Senate will build significantly.
 
Spindle said:
There may be another political war. Don't assume that all the people who voted Trump support this. The Dems we know and they lost, but about half the Republicans at least definitely consider Putin the enemy and the vast majority of Americans aren't going to be glossed over on what the man is on the back of a few tweets. Trump is in for 4 anyway but rest assured his approval rating is going to suffer from it. I very much doubt running on the ticket "I'll end the war in Ukraine" would've worked if he'd have said "I'll end the war in Ukraine by saddling right up to my mate Putin and surrendering America to the Kremlin".

I actually think that Europe are going to step in and the political pressure in the USA from the now shocked and appalled Senate will build significantly.
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Yeah, I doubt any of that will happen.

Trump's approval is as good as it's ever been right now, and being unpopular at the start of a term makes little difference when you hold all the power.....As we see with Starmer here.
 
If only the EU and Ukraine would have negotiated a peace deal that benefits them in the first place. They have had 3 bloody years to sort out the mess of their own making.

Maybe its tactics by Trump to get their s*** in order. A bit like with Canada, Mexico and Gaza. We seen how quickly Mexico and Canada got their s*** together. Maybe just maybe the EU and zelensky will after this gigantic push by Trump.

As they say Trump is playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers.
 
Stirlingsays said:
Oh ok, I heard it was in the fifties, but if that's wrong then fine.

45 percent is still good for Trump.

Ultimately he will be judged on the economy as all governments mostly should be.....well, they are whether they like it or not.
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If true then he’s going to be in big trouble. Everything he is doing is going to increase costs and inefficiency. Not a great combination.
 
eaglesdare said:
If only the EU and Ukraine would have negotiated a peace deal that benefits them in the first place. They have had 3 bloody years to sort out the mess of their own making.

Maybe its tactics by Trump to get their s*** in order. A bit like with Canada, Mexico and Gaza. We seen how quickly Mexico and Canada got their s*** together. Maybe just maybe the EU and zelensky will after this gigantic push by Trump.

As they say Trump is playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers.
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One day you will write a post which contains a correct assertion. Whilst you pick up these kinds of nonsensical claims from whatever dodgy sites you use it’s not going to happen.
 
Stirlingsays said:
Yeah, I doubt any of that will happen.

Trump's approval is as good as it's ever been right now, and being unpopular at the start of a term makes little difference when you hold all the power.....As we see with Starmer here.
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I didn't say he'd be thrown out, I said he'd have domestic political trouble, which he'll ignore. But also not get his way in his own senate.

I think he may even be jealous of Putin, the guy is 25 years in dictatorial absolute power, can make anyone fall out of a window, has utterly rigged elections and does what he likes. I think this is what Trump has respect for. Ordinary people however are appalled by it.
 
eaglesdare said:
If only the EU and Ukraine would have negotiated a peace deal that benefits them in the first place. They have had 3 bloody years to sort out the mess of their own making.

Maybe its tactics by Trump to get their s*** in order. A bit like with Canada, Mexico and Gaza. We seen how quickly Mexico and Canada got their s*** together. Maybe just maybe the EU and zelensky will after this gigantic push by Trump.

As they say Trump is playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers.
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Nice soundbite. Can you describe what this peace deal would've looked like? And what security it would've carried?

And since it is EU and Ukraine only, why can't they do that now then?
 
Well I don't really bet, but I'll go against your assertion on his approval rating. I think it's about to fall quite a bit.

American's know who Putin is and they've had decades of being told how the soviets are the enemy.
 
Spindle said:
Well I don't really bet, but I'll go against your assertion on his approval rating. I think it's about to fall quite a bit.

American's know who Putin is and they've had decades of being told how the soviets are the enemy.
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Sadly Putin being the enemy is the memo Trump didn't get.

Because it doesn't fit with his power-hungry dictatorship agenda.
 
Spindle said:
Nice soundbite. Can you describe what this peace deal would've looked like? And what security it would've carried?

And since it is EU and Ukraine only, why can't they do that now then?
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There was a deal they had half agreed on just a few weeks after the war started 2022.....that was the deal that Johnson and Biden insisted Zelensky shouldn't sign.....The parts they hadn't agreed on could have been trashed out. I asked copilot for you.

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Massive mistake.

When the deal fell through Russia said that they wouldn't get anything like those terms again and they will certainly be correct on that one.
 
Stirlingsays said:
There was a deal they had half agreed on just a few weeks after the war started 2022.....that was the deal that Johnson and Biden insisted Zelensky shouldn't sign.....The parts they hadn't agreed on could have been trashed out. I asked copilot for you.

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Massive mistake.

When the deal fell through Russia said that they wouldn't get anything like those terms again and they will certainly be correct on that one.
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Let me ask you this...

If the UK was invaded and our PM said no to points 3 and 4, would you object?

You'd gladly give up parts of the UK to Russia and agree to limit our own military retaliation/defence?
 
Wow, to make the type of personal comments on here about Trump you really should have direct firsthand experiences and not just media bullshit that has followed him around for a decade. Not 3 months ago the media were spinning a landslide victory for Harris and Biden was as sharp as a tact rhetoric and we know how that turned out.

Seeing Kamada up close and personal gives supporters the right to slander his footballing skills and allow us to ask the question why?

I'll preface the next comment IMHO. The US (not necessarily the world) has in general given a collective sigh of relief that the Biden years are behind us. The direction of travel was opposite to what most Americans wanted (including a significant percentage of Hispanics and black males). Based on the deep-rooted stance of most Americans it was a landslide by any metrics.

One month on and the contrast couldn't be any greater than the previous 4 years. Palace supporters wouldn't suddenly wax lyrical about Brighton and change allegiances if they pulled a few good results together. Same in politics!!!

Trump has stuck the boot in as he said he would on day 1. There are no overnight successes or failure so only a few weeks, months or even years will tell us how history plays out, I personally applaud the calls to action. but remain apprehensive how everything will play out (including Ukraine).
 
indianapalace85 said:
Let me ask you this...

If the UK was invaded and our PM said no to points 3 and 4, would you object?
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If you were talking to the 20 year old Stirlingsays in 1989 I'd be one of those in a graveyard before I signed that.

But the England/Britain we were living in 89 is not the England/Britain of 2025.

You are talking to the 55 year old Stirlingsays who has seen this state turn from having people like me leading it all through its institutions to a country that hates me.

I'm not fighting for a country that doesn't fight for me.

Only 11 percent of young people will apparently fight for it as well.....I don't know their reasons but I can't say I blame them.

Now things are probably very different in Ukraine in terms of internal harmony I don't know.....I certainly know the country is...well, was full of nationalists, but the job of a leader is to make the best decision for his country.

Fighting Russia?...the numbers are all wrong......With my leader's hat on, I would have negotiated a deal, but I agree that the terms as stated needed modification.

But what's for sure is those terms are vastly better than what Ukraine gets now.
 
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Stirlingsays said:
If you were talking to the 20 year old Stirlingsays in 1989 I'd be one of those in a graveyard before I signed that.

But the England/Britain we were living in 89 is not the England/Britain of 2025.

You are talking to the 55 year old Stirlingsays who has seen this state turn from having people like me leading it all through its institutions to a country that hates me.

I'm not fighting for a country that doesn't fight for me.

Only 11 percent of young people will apparently fight for it as well.....I don't know their reasons but I can't say I blame them.

Now things are probably very different in Ukraine in terms of internal harmony I don't know.....I certainly know the country is...well, was full of nationalists, but the job of a leader is to make the best decision for his country.

Fighting Russia?...the numbers are all wrong......With my leader's hat on, I would have negotiated a deal, but I agree that the terms as stated needed modification.

But what's for sure is those terms are vastly better than what Ukraine gets now.
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As well-intentioned and nostalgic as your points might be, I'm not sure how that plays out in practical terms.

At the end of the day, I would imagine a country's citizens will prefer a leader that doesn't give in to the enemy, rather than resign the last 3 years of bloodshed in vain.
 
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