War in Ukraine

[Stirlingsays]

If Churchill was as weak as many are claiming Zelensky should be, to cave into Russia's deal, then we'd be run by a Nazi dictatorship today.

Churchill was very lucky....Hitler didn't have to invade Russia with 3 million troops in June 41.

Hitler could have taken his time on us if he had desired too....but due to his health he felt he was on a timer.

Putin hasn't made any significant mistakes......the numbers were always in his favour.

We were the ones betting on the unlikely outcome as I said at the start.

 

[eaglesdare]

Ok so you don’t approve of confronting bullies. Now presumably you got your “press gang” story from one of your favoured internet sites?

Certainly not if they have nuclear weapons 🤷🏻‍♂️

Anyways. There was a better deal on the table a few years back for whatever reason Zelensky did not take it.

Now in a worse position and a worse deal will be on the table.

Those pro war on here might get their wish and the deal won't be agreed....then they will get a worse deal down the line and tbh the EU will be screwed. The US will pull out all its troops and money from the EU and then bypass them and start trading with Russia again.

And all those lives lost will be for.....nothing.

🙄

 

[Stirlingsays]

Ok so you don’t approve of confronting bullies. Now presumably you got your “press gang” story from one of your favoured internet sites?

Dude, there's endless amounts of footage of it. You think I'd make that up?

Ukrainian men dragged out of nightclubs and restaurants by army recruiters during 'press-gang' raids

Video footage has emerged purportedly showing Ukraine’s military recruiters rounding up civilians to send them to the front lines.

www.lbc.co.uk

The Ukrainians have even spoken of trying to stop it being shown.

Perhaps what you should ask yourself is why you didn't know about it, it's rarely referred to in our media.....while if this was happening in Russia I'd imagine you'd hear about it all the time.

 

[lefty27]

Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam...It's happened a lot....and as stated earlier, we had an election during 1945 while the second world was still going.

Mmmm yes and no. We had an election 2 months after VE Day so would argue it’s a bit different to the situation in Ukraine.

 

[Stirlingsays]

'It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal' (Kissinger)

 

[Stirlingsays]

Mmmm yes and no. We had an election 2 months after VE Day so would argue it’s a bit different to the situation in Ukraine.

We were still fighting in Asia and men were dying every day.

The point is that we held an election while still at war.....which was the query.

I don't think people expect an election to be carried out in Ukraine without a ceasefire.

 

[Stirlingsays]

 

[Stirlingsays]

The left and to a lesser extent social liberals have to face up to the fact....they never will of course.....the fact that their past versions worked incredibly diligently and very deliberately to weaken the British empire and then just Britain in every facet of its power, whether it was hard military power or soft power in terms of influence. Teaching its youth weird revisionist self hatred mantras on its past that would gladden the heart of any Maoist communist.

Fully taking their chances after WW2, they gradually and eventually succeeded into turning it into a paper tiger it now resembles. But a paper tiger with a remembrance of past power that has given its elites embarrassing delusions of grandeur amid a reluctance to recognise the decline they submitted to.

No power equals no dice.

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

Churchill was very lucky....Hitler didn't have to invade Russia with 3 million troops in June 41.

Hitler could have taken his time on us if he had desired too....but due to his health he felt he was on a timer.

Putin hasn't made any significant mistakes......the numbers were always in his favour.

We were the ones betting on the unlikely outcome as I said at the start.

I don't know why, but i have this image of Boris Johnson coming back from an early meeting with Zelensky, with Boris coming off the plane with thumbs in the air. "Yes, we've given Ukraine assurances"
It transpired Boris had also been gifted a crate of Ukrainian vodka.
For me, it just illustrated very well how today's Elites don't give a s*** about anything, except themselves. The vodka went, along with his assurances.

The slight difference about Trump (compared to Boris) is that he is very up front about his intentions. Trump is negotiating peace (because the USA has the firepower), with a share of the spoils that are in Ukraine.
Europe offers no threat to Russia

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

What's clear is that you made a claim based upon Putin giving one of his long winded history lessons.

Nothing in there about remaking the Soviet Union at all.

That extract was but one part. There are many other analyses of his intentions, some of which I provided links to. You can argue that he doesn’t want to go back to the Soviet era but not that he doesn’t want to expand the borders of Russia to include all the territories it once claimed as it’s own. The extract were his own words justifying that.

I don’t suppose the now independent states that used to be regarded by Russia as part of its Empire have any more desire to be reunited under any banner, whether called the Soviet Union or not.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Maybe they didn't expect to get utterly shafted by Kremlin Trump, a man who has decided to saddle up with the world's biggest gangster. Trump isn't stupid in that he knows who started it and who the scumbag is, he would just prefer to satisfy himself by screwing the Dems in every possible way he can.

You cannot be serious that you would think that an invaded country should do a deal and think Russia would even accept it.

This event is shameful.

Joined 5th Feb 2025 and straight to politics.

Interesting.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

We were still fighting in Asia and men were dying every day.

The point is that we held an election while still at war.....which was the query.

I don't think people expect an election to be carried out in Ukraine without a ceasefire.

It’s a terrible analogy.

The war in Europe was over and we were desperate to try to return to normality. It wasn’t just a pause negotiated so an election could be held. Just imagine if Hitler had said we will stop bombing London for a while whilst you choose your leader and, by the way, if you don’t release Oswald Mosely and choose him (or another with similar views) we will start again.

Ukraine is deep into a war and living under martial law. Only when a guaranteed peace has been established could elections to choose a future government be held. They’re too busy dealing with today to worry about the rebuilding. If Ukraine had some involvement in another war on the other side of the world then I don’t think that would stop them holding elections at home, if the local conditions allowed them.

 

[nead1]

Certainly not if they have nuclear weapons 🤷🏻‍♂️

Anyways. There was a better deal on the table a few years back for whatever reason Zelensky did not take it.

Now in a worse position and a worse deal will be on the table.

Those pro war on here might get their wish and the deal won't be agreed....then they will get a worse deal down the line and tbh the EU will be screwed. The US will pull out all its troops and money from the EU and then bypass them and start trading with Russia again.

And all those lives lost will be for.....nothing.

🙄

Perhaps you would like to share the details of the "better deal on the table a few years back"? What was it that Zelensky did not take that has apparently come back to haunt him given your analysis?

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Perhaps you would like to share the details of the "better deal on the table a few years back"? What was it that Zelensky did not take that has apparently come back to haunt him given your analysis?

An offer to play Batley Working Man's club with Jimmy Cricket and Bernie Clifton.

 

[Eagleman13]

Joined 5th Feb 2025 and straight to politics.

Interesting.

TBF Hrolf, he did say he's quit the BBS & joined us instead. (could be part of the 'dark sides' infiltration) 😉

 

[HKOwen]

I don' think it unreasonable that the govt in Ukraine needs to account for the money they have received.

Wars make people very rich

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

TBF Hrolf, he did say he's quit the BBS & joined us instead. (could be part of the 'dark sides' infiltration) 😉

We need a better quality of Lefty.

Let's hope he has something to contribute beyond the usual dross.

 

[dreamwaverider]

Now China have joined the party supporting USA, looks like its game up for Zelensky.
Wonder if they will inspect the accounts before his departure?
As for Starmer, would Ukraine come here to be 'peacekeeper' if Scotland and England got into conflict?
Crawl back onto your island 2tier and try and avoid bankruptcy at home.
Leave Ukraine to the grown ups.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Now China have joined the party supporting USA, looks like its game up for Zelensky.
Wonder if they will inspect the accounts before his departure?
As for Starmer, would Ukraine come here to be 'peacekeeper' if Scotland and England got into conflict?
Crawl back onto your island 2tier and try and avoid bankruptcy at home.
Leave Ukraine to the grown ups.

Trump is a grown up?

He is a big man with a mouth to match but grown up he isn’t.

 

[Spindle]

Russia is corrupt and we all know it.

However, the Ukraine (also corrupt) that will vote is not going to have many pro Russians within it.....but that's not the same as agreeing to carry on a war they are losing.

Also, I can't imagine that they will have an election without a prior agreement with Russia and international supervision.

To be fair to Zelensky he's probably done more to deal with corruption than any previous leaders. Russia would still meddle, you know that. And again, what's the point of a deal with Putin? As I said before, this is a man who has breached over 190 deals, agreements, accords and other international arrangements in his 25 years. He simply cannot be trusted.

Ukraine's battle with Russia is not new, there's 300 years of scrapping, there's no way they are going to lie down and take the big L, I don't know why you seem to indicate that they would tbh.

As for the stuff on the Falklands luck, I think you let that slide, but anyway, we'd never have landed any troops had the Argies had the right fuses in their bombs. They hit every landing ship, Harriers couldn't stop most of the attacks, but many bombs failed to detonate. Those ships were packed with troops and kit.

And Hitler didn't want to fight us. Stalin was broken, he was helped massively by lend lease and the opening of fronts in the west. All this "Russia won it" is bollocks, they even could've capitulated.