Villa v Maccabi

[hackney-viking-eagle]

Perhaps they copied Hamas

When that's your best argument, it's obvious you've run out of ideas.....

 

[PalazioVecchio]

Maccabi fans regurarly sing songs about killing kids and raping women. If that's who you really want to defend above all else, I'm gonna leave you to it.

Here's a little song for you to sing along to if you don't beleive me.

you've clearly never attended a match between Glasgow Rangers and Glasgow Celtic ? Respectively singing songs for the UVF and the IRA. Sectarianism is a nasty thing, in Glasgow, Jerusalem , or Birmingham.
Its kinda like not seeing other people as fully human. As per the link below. One of the girls below is from Denmark, a country on your own moniker, ....since you mention the raping & killing of innocents.

Morocco links Daesh to murder of Scandinavian tourists

Three men arrested by Moroccan authorities on suspicion of the murder of two Scandinavian women may have links to Daesh, a prosecutor told reporters yesterday. The brutal killing of Louisa Vesterag…

www.middleeastmonitor.com

 

[PalazioVecchio]

When that's your best argument, it's obvious you've run out of ideas.....

at least he had a few, in the first place.

Trot off to the BBS where all the Lefties love to insult each other all day.

 

[Penge Eagle]

Presumably after 2 Leeds fans were killed. Not quite the same but happy to be corrected, did the local MP start a petition?

That's exactly it and why it's a false comparison.

 

[Penge Eagle]

My views are irrelevant - you’re a moderator actively telling someone not to post on the forum because you don’t agree with their views - how is that appropriate?

At the same time, as ever you have zero to say about the abuse and personal insults flying about from people who share your point of view.

Moderating.

Nice bit of strawman there.

 

[Spiderman]

When that's your best argument, it's obvious you've run out of ideas.....

Why did Hamas not do that? I notice you have ignored my questions, have you run out of ideas/ excuses?

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

The fact a Moderator has initiated the name-calling has encouraged those who share their views to name-call other posters
It devalues any reasoned discussion, and in fact telling those posters that don't share their views, not to contribute, is way below standards of Moderating I'm used to on HOL.

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

The name-calling has to stop.

 

[Penge Eagle]

The fact a Moderator has initiated the name-calling has encouraged those who share their views to name-call other posters
It devalues any reasoned discussion, and in fact telling those posters that don't share their views, not to contribute, is way below standards of Moderating I'm used to on HOL.

Everyone knows you and others on here don't like the Jews, which is fine but don't try to gang up on me with a pack to get me censored because you have lost the argument.

I'm happy to resign as mod to not give people like you an excuse for deflection when your bigotry is pointed out.

 

[PalazioVecchio]

Everyone knows you and others on here don't like the Jews, which is fine but don't try to gang up on me with a pack to get me censored because you have lost the argument.

I'm happy to resign as mod to not give people like you an excuse for deflection when your bigotry is pointed out.

i vote that you continue as moderator PE.

Anything to do with Middle East politics gets very toxic, very quickly. I will avoid this thread for a while.....its getting tedious arguing theology with anybody. My vote is that its wrong to ban Maccabi just cos of whatever.

 

[Spindle]

Can you explain why the highlighted part is ’Jew-hate’?

I'm surprised you struggle with this, perhaps that's why you fall for all of the stories.

Let's read between the lines shall we......it says that they (the Jews, because they are Jew fans) can't come because they are a "predominantly Muslim community" and that "poses a real risk of tensions within the community and disorder".

Many fans from more notorious clubs have played at Villa Park and this hasn't happened, so THEREFORE it can't be the arriving fans, it HAS to be the community, which is Muslim as per their own statement. Can you think of any reason why they'd need to have disorder in the community if not for the fact they are Jews?

I asked ChatGPT
Was there any violence in the community when Trabzonspor (Turkey) played at Villa Park on 1 November 1994 in the UEFA Cup against Aston Villa?

I could not find any reliable record of significant community-wide violence specifically associated with the Trabzonspor vs Aston Villa match at Villa Park (1 November 1994) that indicates widespread disorder in the local community around the stadium.

And no trouble in the community last season vs Bologna, PSG or Juventus either, notorious clubs too. So what could it be? I dunno, I dug deeper on this one

I asked again
Can you give me a summary of community violence by Maccabi Tel Aviv fans in Europe from BEFORE Oct 7 2023

I searched for widely reported, documented incidents involving Maccabi Tel Aviv fans in Europe before that date, but found no major widely-covered cases of large-scale community violence in Europe clearly attributed to Maccabi fans in that earlier period.

Can you help Saturn? What could it be?

 

[Stirlingsays]

Everyone knows you and others on here don't like the Jews, which is fine but don't try to gang up on me with a pack to get me censored because you have lost the argument.

I'm happy to resign as mod to not give people like you an excuse for deflection when your bigotry is pointed out.

You're a good mod.

Please don't resign.

Hol's mod team do a good job, people forget what it's like on other sites.

 

[Spindle]

Calling out genocide isn't jew hating - get a grip.

Hang on. When we mention "Gazans" and "Hamas" we're told they aren't the same. Yet here you are putting the IDF in a war in the same bracket as football fans on their way to a game in another country, and that's only for the likes of you who think that genocide is true, which it isn't.

Rank hypocrisy is what that is fella.

 

[Stirlingsays]

The name-calling has to stop.

But, If I don't get called some 'ist' or other I forget who I am.

 

[Spindle]

1: that's your opinion - and not one shared by the UN, Amnesty International, or about 40 ARAB nation states. So I'm not alone in my bigotry at least

EFA

PS, How many marches for Yemen and protests outside BAE Systems (for selling them Typhoon) have you attended?

 

[Spindle]

My views are irrelevant - you’re a moderator actively telling someone not to post on the forum because you don’t agree with their views - how is that appropriate?

So you admit that your views ARE bigoted then. Thought so, thanks for coming clean.

 

[Penge Eagle]

I find it pretty bad that any football supporter would want other fans banned from watching their team play. It could happen to Palace fans in Europe and people on here would be fuming – collective punishment is not cool.

 

[Spindle]

Ahhh let me google that for you.....

Galatasary fans were banned for the return leg vs Leeds, 2015.

Happy?

It was 2020, and it was because 2 Leeds fans were murdered in Turkey and was imposed by UEFA.

You Palestine lot are so disingenuous.

 

[Spindle]

Maccabi fans regurarly sing songs about killing kids and raping women. If that's who you really want to defend above all else, I'm gonna leave you to it.

Here's a little song for you to sing along to if you don't beleive me.

Here's a song for you

Gazans Sing About Murdering Jews After Ceasefire Announcement | WATCH - JFeed

Celebrations erupted across Gaza after President Trump brokered a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas, ending years of brutal war and pa - JFeed Israel News

www.jfeed.com

 

[CPFCSaturn]

I'm surprised you struggle with this, perhaps that's why you fall for all of the stories.

Let's read between the lines shall we......it says that they (the Jews, because they are Jew fans) can't come because they are a "predominantly Muslim community" and that "poses a real risk of tensions within the community and disorder".

Many fans from more notorious clubs have played at Villa Park and this hasn't happened, so THEREFORE it can't be the arriving fans, it HAS to be the community, which is Muslim as per their own statement. Can you think of any reason why they'd need to have disorder in the community if not for the fact they are Jews?

I asked ChatGPT
Was there any violence in the community when Trabzonspor (Turkey) played at Villa Park on 1 November 1994 in the UEFA Cup against Aston Villa?

I could not find any reliable record of significant community-wide violence specifically associated with the Trabzonspor vs Aston Villa match at Villa Park (1 November 1994) that indicates widespread disorder in the local community around the stadium.

And no trouble in the community last season vs Bologna, PSG or Juventus either, notorious clubs too. So what could it be? I dunno, I dug deeper on this one

I asked again
Can you give me a summary of community violence by Maccabi Tel Aviv fans in Europe from BEFORE Oct 7 2023

I searched for widely reported, documented incidents involving Maccabi Tel Aviv fans in Europe before that date, but found no major widely-covered cases of large-scale community violence in Europe clearly attributed to Maccabi fans in that earlier period.

Can you help Saturn? What could it be?

So if authorities think there’s a credible risk of violent disorder, do you think they should ignore that risk just to avoid appearing discriminatory?

Ultimately it’s a public order decision, of which there are a great many previous examples - nobody banned Jews, they bans Maccabi fans. The same way they banned Frankfurt fans. And banned Russian clubs. Etc etc.

Acknowledging that tensions exist between pro-Israel and pro-Palestine groups is just logical - the police are there to prevent violence, not prove some sort of ideological purity.

The other games you mention are just ignoring context. They weren’t played around recent violent incidents and huge geopolitical tensions. I don’t get why you think we should just pretend they don’t exist.