Villa v Maccabi

[Spindle]

You're a good mod.

Please don't resign.

Hol's mod team do a good job, people forget what it's like on other sites.

It's part of their strategy, the reach for power before shutting down those who don't agree with them.

The radical left hate the west so much they make bedfellows with the Muslims, enemy of my enemy etc. But the elephant in the room neither discuss is that they both actually hate each others' ideals, aside the really thick ones who think they have common ground on gays, women etc.

 

[chris123]

I find it pretty bad that any football supporter would want other fans banned from watching their team play. It could happen to Palace fans in Europe and people on here would be fuming – collective punishment is not cool.

I didn't mean to like this it was in error

 

[Spindle]

So if authorities think there’s a credible risk of violent disorder, do you think they should ignore that risk just to avoid appearing discriminatory?

Ultimately it’s a public order decision, of which there are a great many previous examples - nobody banned Jews, they bans Maccabi fans. The same way they banned Frankfurt fans. And banned Russian clubs. Etc etc.

Acknowledging that tensions exist between pro-Israel and pro-Palestine groups is just logical - the police are there to prevent violence, not prove some sort of ideological purity.

The other games you mention are just ignoring context. They weren’t played around recent violent incidents and huge geopolitical tensions. I don’t get why you think we should just pretend they don’t exist.

And what do we call that if not hatred? With one side calling for the ban, one side with a huge universal petition and campaign.

Finally admitted it is hatred of those jews, and we have a real issue in Britain where an independant MP gets elected without a party on the ticket of Gaza, then uses that power to argue things like this. It's not Britain and he was called out for that in Commons universally today.

 

[Penge Eagle]

I didn't mean to like this it was in error

I mean how could you agree or even find some common ground when you view someone with an opposing view as the enemy, right?

 

[chris123]

You're a good mod.

Please don't resign.

Hol's mod team do a good job, people forget what it's like on other sites.

There is only one moderator who has been name calling though, just moderate moderately
.

 

[Penge Eagle]

There is only one moderator who has been name calling though, just moderate moderately
.

I wouldn't say that pointing out antisemitism is name-calling.

 

[chris123]

I mean how could you agree or even find some common ground when you view someone with an opposing view as the enemy, right?

You've pointed out the limitations of my knowledge more than once. Just point them out without assuming you know everything. Sometimes knowledge can be a limiter.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

And what do we call that if not hatred? With one side calling for the ban, one side with a huge universal petition and campaign.

Finally admitted it is hatred of those jews, and we have a real issue in Britain where an independant MP gets elected without a party on the ticket of Gaza, then uses that power to argue things like this. It's not Britain and he was called out for that in Commons universally today.

Answer the question - what do you think authorities should do in cases where the risk of violence is exceptionally high?

Last year there were old firm fixtures where away fans were banned - was that also discriminatory?

How many more examples do we need? The basis of any claim of discrimination is that you are being treated differently to others, in the case of antisemitism based on your religion - how does that remotely hold up when there are so many examples of others being treated exactly the same?

 

[cryrst]

So if authorities think there’s a credible risk of violent disorder, do you think they should ignore that risk just to avoid appearing discriminatory?

Ultimately it’s a public order decision, of which there are a great many previous examples - nobody banned Jews, they bans Maccabi fans. The same way they banned Frankfurt fans. And banned Russian clubs. Etc etc.

Acknowledging that tensions exist between pro-Israel and pro-Palestine groups is just logical - the police are there to prevent violence, not prove some sort of ideological purity.

The other games you mention are just ignoring context. They weren’t played around recent violent incidents and huge geopolitical tensions. I don’t get why you think we should just pretend they don’t exist.

How many maccabi fans won’t be Jewish. Just out of interest to assist you to join the dots as you made a no lose statement on purpose. Or so you thought !

 

[CPFCSaturn]

How many maccabi fans won’t be Jewish. Just out of interest to assist you to join the dots as you made a no lose statement on purpose. Or so you thought !

I don’t know but I was always taught it’s antisemitic to conflate Jews with Israelis - it doesn’t seem to apply when it’s inconvenient.

 

[chris123]

I wouldn't say that pointing out antisemitism is name-calling.

You'll struggle to find anywhere that has me name calling. Stick to the debate and argue.

 

[Penge Eagle]

You'll struggle to find anywhere that has me name calling. Stick to the debate and argue.

😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀

 

[cryrst]

I don’t know but I was always taught it’s antisemitic to conflate Jews with Israelis - it doesn’t seem to apply when it’s inconvenient.

There are Arab Israelis but I doubt many will want to attend a football match.
Probably prefer a good cockerel fight to the death.

 

[Stirlingsays]

There is only one moderator who has been name calling though, just moderate moderately
.

Moaning at a poster for opinions you don't like is one thing.

Calling for mods to resign is another.....job is done for nothing, hours given up for free.

It says something about Hol that those slagging off mods aren't being yellowed for it when I've been on sites where straight reds get given.

I say if a thread annoys you then just post on another one or say you don't like the term and stop responding to that poster if they don't stop.

But mods are important and good ones don't grow on trees.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Calling out genocide isn't jew hating - get a grip.

I wasn't a very successful 'genocide'.

There seem to be an awful lot of Palestinians left (minus the ones that Hamas just shot) and none of them looked especially thin.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

There are Arab Israelis but I doubt many will want to attend a football match.
Probably prefer a good cockerel fight to the death.

There will also be plenty of British Jews who do attend the match.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

So if authorities think there’s a credible risk of violent disorder, do you think they should ignore that risk just to avoid appearing discriminatory?

Ultimately it’s a public order decision, of which there are a great many previous examples - nobody banned Jews, they bans Maccabi fans. The same way they banned Frankfurt fans. And banned Russian clubs. Etc etc.

Acknowledging that tensions exist between pro-Israel and pro-Palestine groups is just logical - the police are there to prevent violence, not prove some sort of ideological purity.

The other games you mention are just ignoring context. They weren’t played around recent violent incidents and huge geopolitical tensions. I don’t get why you think we should just pretend they don’t exist.

If there is a credible risk, it is because Birmingham is full of Muslims.

No British Christian would have a problem with Israeli fans, unless they were one of the rent a mob far left loony brigade.

This is the kind of country that politicians have made for us, and their useful idiot friends still defend it.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

If there is a credible risk, it is because Birmingham is full of Muslims.

No British Christian would have a problem with Israeli fans, unless they were one of the rent a mob far left loony brigade.

This is the kind of country that politicians have made for us, and their useful idiot friends still defend it.

Around the point - the risk exists, so what should they do?

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

You'll struggle to find anywhere that has me name calling. Stick to the debate and argue.

You clearly have an exaggerated sense of your own importance.

Just for the record, I don't give two fucxx what you think.

The moderating on this site is first class and mods have the right to express opinions and argue just like any other poster.

Stick to the topics and stop making it about you. That's my advice.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Around the point - the risk exists, so what should they do?

Yes, but who is the real problem?

Muslim councillors seem to have been prominent in the decision making process.