Villa v Maccabi

Common Sense Club said:
No go areas are acceptable, then? The local Muslim community arming themselves is acceptable? (They could have just stayed indoors).
The police evidently lied and distorted the situation to fit an agenda that had already been decided by the local MP.
If you are happy with this sort of mindset don’t complain when a local population ‘arms itself’ when it feels under threat from ‘visitors’ of a different ethnicity.
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No go areas 🤣

I’m not sure how you’ve deduced any of that from my posts, but each to their own.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
Broadly true, yes, and I’ve already acknowledged I think WMP conducted themselves very poorly.


It doesn’t at all change my view that the ban was the correct decision - the risk of violence on all sides was enormous.
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Of course it's the correct decision because you hate anything from the state of Israel! Even if the evidence is fabricated.
 
Penge Eagle said:
No, it's a selective ban as it's the Jews. Otherwise FAR more clubs would face similar bans if the same reasoning was applied - including many English teams. Your bigotry never stops.
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And you’re still shamelessly conflating Jews and Israelis for emotive impact. Your dishonesty never stops.
 
Penge Eagle said:
Nice diversion tactic.

Your argument is based on fake evidence and you're happy with that as an antisemite. The football club is based in the only Jewish state.
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Says the bloke shamelessly throwing antisemitism accusations around for months on end.

My argument isn’t base on fake evidence at all - my argument is that violent football fans can and should expect to face bans for disorder, and I’m happy for this to be applied to clubs from anywhere. There is ample evidence that Maccabi fans are violent and likely to cause disorder.
 
I presume then that if the people of, for example, Nice write to their politician threatening violence when a team from an Islamic country comes over then the police can collude to ban that team? And that will be acceptable somehow? Because it avoids violence. I mean, the whole argument could clearly be extrapolated further but it's clear enough. Threaten violence and get people banned.
If they did just ban Maccabi for their own safety, then at least the truth would have been told. But clearly would be a political poor choice. For who? This government once more. There were orders for this to be done. The chief constable has had a call. Or a quiet word in the lodge. This makes the government look awful once again. They can't do anything right. They couldn't cover up the marshmallow in a chocolate tea cake.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
Says the bloke shamelessly throwing antisemitism accusations around for months on end.

My argument isn’t base on fake evidence at all - my argument is that violent football fans can and should expect to face bans for disorder, and I’m happy for this to be applied to clubs from anywhere. There is ample evidence that Maccabi fans are violent and likely to cause disorder.
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It's interesting that you are ok for the Jewish football club to be banned from the stadium - but not the Islamists.
 
Penge Eagle said:
It's interesting that you are ok for the Jewish football club to be banned from the stadium - but not the Islamists.
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Fans of the Israeli football club*

The club itself of course wasn’t banned, nor is it a ‘Jewish football club’.

I don’t know the football club Islamists - where do they play?
 
CPFCSaturn said:
Fans of the Israeli football club*

The club itself of course wasn’t banned, nor is it a ‘Jewish football club’.

I don’t know the football club Islamists - where do they play?
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Nice diversion tactic. Historically and culturally, Maccabi Tel Aviv is identified as a Jewish club. I'd recommend looking into the 'Maccabi' name and its symbolism.

WMP could have stopped local armed Islamists from entering the vicinity of Villa Park after they had real intelligence (not the fabricated stuff) about them looking to attack Maccabi Tel Aviv fans (which would also be a hate crime).
 
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CPFCSaturn said:
You’re clearly happy to make an idiot of yourself.

Many clubs have had away travel bans over the last few years, and it’s never been particularly controversial.
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Name them?

Which fans have been banned from Britain by the British Police?

You are not being honest. You know full well what this was really about.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
And you’re still shamelessly conflating Jews and Israelis for emotive impact. Your dishonesty never stops.
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I seriously doubt that the minority of other religious in Israel would be of any consequence for the Jew hating hordes of Birmingham.

You are looking very stupid.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
No go areas 🤣

I’m not sure how you’ve deduced any of that from my posts, but each to their own.
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Maccabi fans were banned from attending the football match. The pretext of the ban was that they are a violent bunch and therefore to keep the peace, they were refused.
It now transpires that the information used to reach this decision was false; even fabricated.
It now also transpired that the local population was willing to arm itself if the fans were allowed.
So, a no go area was the end result. You may not like that effect but that is what it was; the local MP did not want them in his manor and he made sure that was the case.
You may argue that to keep the peace this was the right decision albeit using the wrong criteria but I expect you would change your mind on other potential or similar occasions.
For example, Trump may have illegally kidnapped the Venezuelan President but the end result is he is now facing justice.
Would you be happy with ‘armed’ brits on the south coast repelling migrants because it is believed they have a preference for not treating women or girls with respect? Our women may be safer but the methods used would be wrong…
 
Common Sense Club said:
Maccabi fans were banned from attending the football match. The pretext of the ban was that they are a violent bunch and therefore to keep the peace, they were refused.
It now transpires that the information used to reach this decision was false; even fabricated.
It now also transpired that the local population was willing to arm itself if the fans were allowed.
So, a no go area was the end result. You may not like that effect but that is what it was; the local MP did not want them in his manor and he made sure that was the case.
You may argue that to keep the peace this was the right decision albeit using the wrong criteria but I expect you would change your mind on other potential or similar occasions.
For example, Trump may have illegally kidnapped the Venezuelan President but the end result is he is now facing justice.
Would you be happy with ‘armed’ brits on the south coast repelling migrants because it is believed they have a preference for not treating women or girls with respect? Our women may be safer but the methods used would be wrong…
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That is what I argue, and whatever other speculation you'd like to make about other occasions is just that.

There is not much Common Sense in your final analogy.
 
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