US Politics

[Wisbech Eagle]

OK, so the 50+ girls who underwent surgery started the process when they were 6. Anyone who thinks that is old enough is beyond help.

What on earth are you talking about now?

You mentioned a theoretical 12 year old and all I did was provide what I understand to be the legal framework in the UK, because that’s where any personal knowledge I have comes from. If that wasn’t obvious then I apologise. You can look up the requirements in the USA just as easily as I can.

No 6 year old anywhere is capable of taking independent decisions or starting processes at 6. Some very confused 6 year olds might get compassionate support and advice, counselling.

 

[DanH]

Well done laughing over innocent children being abused 👍🏻

Yeah, nice try. He’s laughing at your, putting it mildly, absolutely ridiculous assertion.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

At the end of the day if someone over the age of consent decides to mutate themselves they have a mental health issue. If they are below the age of consent then their parents have a mental health issue.

Lucky now we have an adult in charge of the Western world and this mutilation of young kids nonsense is on the way out.

It's always the looney lefties that go after our kids.

You can regard gender dysphoria as a mental health issue if you wish. Any depression caused by it certainly is.

Whether a mental health issue or a physical one it is still a real issue. One that cannot just be brushed aside by the political prejudices of the manbaby who is the current President. Or those deluded people who seem to think he isn’t the idiot he obviously is.

Maybe he will next declare cancer to be an insult to the American people who are capable of handling it on their own, so no longer need treatment as this will save the country trillions.

 

[Glazier#1]

Yeah, nice try. He’s laughing at your, putting it mildly, absolutely ridiculous assertion.

Yep.

Cheap shot.

 

[Stirlingsays]

The Don's dance routine is getting quite an outing, he moves quite well for an 80 year old.

Meaning?

I think he is just telling the american people that he can jerk off two guys simultaneously while listening to The Village People.

😎

With special compliments to Bill Maher there.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Yeah, nice try. He’s laughing at your, putting it mildly, absolutely ridiculous assertion.

Oh look it's the three degrees of apologist degeneracy.

 

[DanH]

Oh look it's the three degrees of apologist degeneracy.

Oh look, it’s the free speech absolutist who believes that no can tell him what he can and can’t say but believes he has the right to tell people what they can and can’t do to their own bodies.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Oh look, it’s the free speech absolutist who believes that no can tell him what he can and can’t say but believes he has the right to tell people what they can and can’t do to their own bodies.

Oh look Mr Unoriginal is mimicking.

I'm not an absolutist, just far better on speech than you leftist loons.

As for what people can do to their own bodies, the unborn child isn't the woman's body it's an individual who is a combination of two merging DNAs......So sorry I don't support ripping apart the unborn child with tongs.

And anyone allowing the mutilation of the underaged, children and teenagers....something they have to live with for their rest of their lives..... due to adherence to a sick ideology pushed onto impressionable sometimes autistic minds.....Well, those people should be in a jail cell.

 

[cryrst]

Oh look, it’s the free speech absolutist who believes that no can tell him what he can and can’t say but believes he has the right to tell people what they can and can’t do to their own bodies.

Wissie called them ‘it’s’ just now.
Needs chastising by a liberal !

 

[georgenorman]

Oh look, it’s the free speech absolutist who believes that no can tell him what he can and can’t say but believes he has the right to tell people what they can and can’t do to their own bodies.

They are children being mutilated - but they likes of you think your political dogma is more important.

 

[DanH]

They are children being mutilated - but they likes of you think your political dogma is more important.

For what it’s worth I don’t think anyone under the age of 18 should be able to begin any form of transitioning. Once they are a legal consenting adult I don’t think it’s anyone else’s business what they choose to do and should be free to live their lives as they wish.

As for ‘political dogma’, I think it’s vulgar that trans people are used as a political football. For such a tiny minority of people that have a rough enough ride as it is, it feels completely unnecessary for them to be talked about and vilified as much as they have been recently.

 

[cryrst]

For what it’s worth I don’t think anyone under the age of 18 should be able to begin any form of transitioning. Once they are a legal consenting adult I don’t think it’s anyone else’s business what they choose to do and should be free to live their lives as they wish.

As for ‘political dogma’, I think it’s vulgar that trans people are used as a political football. For such a tiny minority of people that have a rough enough ride as it is, it feels completely unnecessary for them to be talked about and vilified as much as they have been recently.

If The alphabets just got on with their lives and stopped protests and wanting attention and praise for their choice then this so called vilification wouldn’t happen. Don’t touch the under 18s as like you say after that it’s a choice. If an alphabet told me they were whichever letter and I shrugged my shoulders like “whatever” many get offended for some reason.
I don’t go protesting and highlighting that I’m straight so if they just STFU about the what letter they are no one would actually give a s***.

 

[Stirlingsays]

For what it’s worth I don’t think anyone under the age of 18 should be able to begin any form of transitioning. Once they are a legal consenting adult I don’t think it’s anyone else’s business what they choose to do and should be free to live their lives as they wish.

As for ‘political dogma’, I think it’s vulgar that trans people are used as a political football. For such a tiny minority of people that have a rough enough ride as it is, it feels completely unnecessary for them to be talked about and vilified as much as they have been recently.

No, this isn't about attacking 'trans' people, most people know these types have always been there. Boy George was celebrated back in the eighties, as was Quentin Crisp.
I remember Crisp, quite well,.....While I'm obviously very different to him I liked quite a lot of Crisp's philosophy in life, which is why lots of modern day alphabet groups dislike him.
No, this is about forcing alphabet ideology onto young minds, some of whom are autistic and encouraging them to radically change their lives when they are at impressionable ages.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

What on earth are you talking about now?

You mentioned a theoretical 12 year old and all I did was provide what I understand to be the legal framework in the UK, because that’s where any personal knowledge I have comes from. If that wasn’t obvious then I apologise. You can look up the requirements in the USA just as easily as I can.

No 6 year old anywhere is capable of taking independent decisions or starting processes at 6. Some very confused 6 year olds might get compassionate support and advice, counselling.

Thanks for the condescension. It's always welcome.
You said.
At least 6 years and extremely thorough.
Ergo since there is evidence of girls of 12 undergoing double mastectomies the process must have started when they were 6. Unless you're now going to argue about basic sums. Which is always a possibility.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

The point being that those experts thought it would do good. They were wrong then and they were wrong on this.

Don’t be daft!

The experts who approved the drug weren’t those who prescribed it. They relied on the approval process which was found to have failed. I think it was originally prescribed as a sedative and its impact on the unborn not recognised.

The approval process has, of course, been much improved since then.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Don’t be daft!

The experts who approved the drug weren’t those who prescribed it. They relied on the approval process which was found to have failed. I think it was originally prescribed as a sedative and its impact on the unborn not recognised.

The approval process has, of course, been much improved since then.

So they weren't relying on the expertise of those who developed and then approved it. This would be laughable had the consequences not been as severe.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Thanks for the condescension. It's always welcome.
You said.
At least 6 years and extremely thorough.
Ergo since there is evidence of girls of 12 undergoing double mastectomies the process must have started when they were 6. Unless you're now going to argue about basic sums. Which is always a possibility.

Show the evidence of girls of 12 undergoing double mastectomies in the UK! Which is all I am discussing. Especially those related to gender affirmation. Most mastectomies are performed because of cancer concerns. It must be done very occasionally because of that but I strongly doubt it’s frequent and cannot, for obvious reasons, be initially considered at 6.

The point about 6 years comes solely from the fact that no surgery is permitted here before 18, so if a 12 year old is counselled for gender dysphoria then it will be 6 more years before surgery can be performed in any circumstances.

What happens in the USA isn’t known to me. If you want to know kindly research it yourself.

 

[Stirlingsays]

If someone wants to watch some right wing stand up comedy, here you go.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

So they weren't relying on the expertise of those who developed and then approved it. This would be laughable had the consequences not been as severe.

Of course they were.

We all rely on experts for every hour of our lives. You could not post a comment without experts making sure the complex system works.

They have to trust the approval regimes or they could not even begin to do their job.

 

[eaglesdare]

For what it’s worth I don’t think anyone under the age of 18 should be able to begin any form of transitioning. Once they are a legal consenting adult I don’t think it’s anyone else’s business what they choose to do and should be free to live their lives as they wish.

As for ‘political dogma’, I think it’s vulgar that trans people are used as a political football. For such a tiny minority of people that have a rough enough ride as it is, it feels completely unnecessary for them to be talked about and vilified as much as they have been recently.

That's far right and transphobic 🤷🏻‍♂️