US Politics

[cryrst]

As I have previously said I don’t think the question is why people didn’t vote for Harris. The Democrats ran a decent campaign which appeared on track to succeed.

The question is why so many apparently intelligent people were prepared to ignore the obvious corruption of a convicted felon who had tried to directly interfere with their democracy only 4 years previously. If they could not support Harris, for whatever reason, why vote at all. No one ought vote for someone like Trump in any circumstances.

77 million of them, all thickos who are not as clever as a certain south west resident. I bet they wish they were as bright and all knowing but alas there is only room for one on this ball of rock in the universe !

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

77 million of them, all thickos who are not as clever as a certain south west resident. I bet they wish they were as bright and all knowing but alas there is only room for one on this ball of rock in the universe !

They are clearly not all “thickos”!

That’s the point. How could apparently averagely intelligent people decide to overlook the very obvious failings of Trump? What has happened that so many are prepared to compromise integrity and common sense in this way?

I realise the USA is a largely inward looking nation where thinking doesn’t always match ours but to conclude it’s acceptable to vote Trump back, after all he did before, is seriously wierd.

 

[cryrst]

They are clearly not all “thickos”!

That’s the point. How could apparently averagely intelligent people decide to overlook the very obvious failings of Trump? What has happened that so many are prepared to compromise integrity and common sense in this way?

I realise the USA is a largely inward looking nation where thinking doesn’t always match ours but to conclude it’s acceptable to vote Trump back, after all he did before, is seriously wierd.

Integrity and common sense is not something most governments have when it comes to decisions for the majority of there populations so isolating trump for a lack of is laughable.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

They are clearly not all “thickos”!

That’s the point. How could apparently averagely intelligent people decide to overlook the very obvious failings of Trump? What has happened that so many are prepared to compromise integrity and common sense in this way?

I realise the USA is a largely inward looking nation where thinking doesn’t always match ours but to conclude it’s acceptable to vote Trump back, after all he did before, is seriously wierd.

Because having experienced both his and Biden's terms they preferred Trump's. Why that is I don't know but I'm not American. I have a friend who lives in Florida and he and his wife, who are both Democrats, voted for Trump because they disliked Hilary so much and said lots of people they know had done the same.
Harris was the wrong candidate and had there been more faith in her Biden would have stepped aside much earlier.

 

[georgenorman]

They are clearly not all “thickos”!

That’s the point. How could apparently averagely intelligent people decide to overlook the very obvious failings of Trump? What has happened that so many are prepared to compromise integrity and common sense in this way?

I realise the USA is a largely inward looking nation where thinking doesn’t always match ours but to conclude it’s acceptable to vote Trump back, after all he did before, is seriously wierd.

They probably looked at the obvious failings of Harris, Biden and the Democratic Party, compared it to Trump's last term in office, and voted accordingly.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Integrity and common sense is not something most governments have when it comes to decisions for the majority of there populations so isolating trump for a lack of is laughable.

I wasn’t!

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

They probably looked at the obvious failings of Harris, Biden and the Democratic Party, compared it to Trump's last term in office, and voted accordingly.

Whatever you think about Harris, Biden and the Democrats you cannot accuse them of attempting to openly ignore the democratic process to hold onto power. Or to encourage and now excuse the storming of the Capital in an effort to stop the result being certified. Or to be led by a convicted felon who only avoided further court appearances by delaying tactics until he was elected again.

It’s why people decided to overlook that which is the question. Not what they thought of Harris or Biden.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Whatever you think about Harris, Biden and the Democrats you cannot accuse them of attempting to openly ignore the democratic process to hold onto power. Or to encourage and now excuse the storming of the Capital in an effort to stop the result being certified. Or to be led by a convicted felon who only avoided further court appearances by delaying tactics until he was elected again.

It’s why people decided to overlook that which is the question. Not what they thought of Harris or Biden.

If there is any question to be asked it should be how did the Harris team run such a shambolic campaign that they managed to lose despite holding all the cards.

 

[georgenorman]

Whatever you think about Harris, Biden and the Democrats you cannot accuse them of attempting to openly ignore the democratic process to hold onto power. Or to encourage and now excuse the storming of the Capital in an effort to stop the result being certified. Or to be led by a convicted felon who only avoided further court appearances by delaying tactics until he was elected again.

It’s why people decided to overlook that which is the question. Not what they thought of Harris or Biden.

The use of Lawfare against Trump increased the number of votes that he got. The choice in elections is always the least of all evils, the question being, who will cause me the least damage if they are elected.

 

[Eden Eagle]

It has been obvious to many people for some time that Biden is quite senile and this is now being openly reported on in the US and the cover-up will be investigated- I am curious who is making the decisions to pardon the 100’s of people (including drug dealers and fraudsters) as it clearly is not Biden?

Pardons Granted by President Joseph Biden (2021-2025)

www.justice.gov

 

[ASCPFC]

It has been obvious to many people for some time that Biden is quite senile and this is now being openly reported on in the US and the cover-up will be investigated- I am curious who is making the decisions to pardon the 100’s of people (including drug dealers and fraudsters) as it clearly is not Biden?

Pardons Granted by President Joseph Biden (2021-2025)

www.justice.gov

They're letting all the Iranian spies off too.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

If there is any question to be asked it should be how did the Harris team run such a shambolic campaign that they managed to lose despite holding all the cards.

No, because they didn’t. It just became fashionable for the right to portray it that way.

Harris shredded Trump so badly in the debate he wimped out of having a second round.

Then he amplified the character assassination whilst playing up the alleged attempts on him.

The Harris campaign was fine. She came over as straightforward and honest. Someone who could be trusted, who knew the law and where the limits are. There was something else going on that convinced enough people to ignore the very obvious unsuitability of Trump to ever hold power again. The question yet to be answered is what that was.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

The use of Lawfare against Trump increased the number of votes that he got. The choice in elections is always the least of all evils, the question being, who will cause me the least damage if they are elected.

There was no “Lawfare”!

There were Federal investigations into Trump’s behaviour in seeking to overturn the 2020 result and him retaining state documents. There were State prosecutions over the falsification of property values to benefit his businesses prior to him becoming President and over him trying to get a Governor to falsify an election result. All of which now get shelved for 4 years. Then there were private prosecutions by women claiming various sex related criminal activity.

You would not expect anyone else to just not be prosecuted because of their job. So why should an ex President? If he was innocent then his defence would be able to demonstrate that. He wasn’t found innocent.

That it was presented by Trump as politically motivated and then accepted by the gullible is just par for him, and for them. It’s part of the problem.

Only the selfish vote on who will do them the least damage. It might surprise you but many people vote on what they think their country needs.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

No, because they didn’t. It just became fashionable for the right to portray it that way.

Harris shredded Trump so badly in the debate he wimped out of having a second round.

Then he amplified the character assassination whilst playing up the alleged attempts on him.

The Harris campaign was fine. She came over as straightforward and honest. Someone who could be trusted, who knew the law and where the limits are. There was something else going on that convinced enough people to ignore the very obvious unsuitability of Trump to ever hold power again. The question yet to be answered is what that was.

The question has been answered several times. The majority of American voters thought their country, and by extension they, would be better off under Trump. Why? I don't know but they live there and in the last 8 years have experienced both Republican and Democrat governments.
If the Democrats had such faith in Harris then Biden would have stepped down months earlier.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

There was no “Lawfare”!

There were Federal investigations into Trump’s behaviour in seeking to overturn the 2020 result and him retaining state documents. There were State prosecutions over the falsification of property values to benefit his businesses prior to him becoming President and over him trying to get a Governor to falsify an election result. All of which now get shelved for 4 years. Then there were private prosecutions by women claiming various sex related criminal activity.

You would not expect anyone else to just not be prosecuted because of their job. So why should an ex President? If he was innocent then his defence would be able to demonstrate that. He wasn’t found innocent.

That it was presented by Trump as politically motivated and then accepted by the gullible is just par for him, and for them. It’s part of the problem.

Only the selfish vote on who will do them the least damage. It might surprise you but many people vote on what they think their country needs.

Do they? Who are these paragons? Millions of Americans are struggling and such lofty ideals don't come into play.

 

[Eden Eagle]

There was no “Lawfare”!

There were Federal investigations into Trump’s behaviour in seeking to overturn the 2020 result and him retaining state documents. There were State prosecutions over the falsification of property values to benefit his businesses prior to him becoming President and over him trying to get a Governor to falsify an election result. All of which now get shelved for 4 years. Then there were private prosecutions by women claiming various sex related criminal activity.

You would not expect anyone else to just not be prosecuted because of their job. So why should an ex President? If he was innocent then his defence would be able to demonstrate that. He wasn’t found innocent.

That it was presented by Trump as politically motivated and then accepted by the gullible is just par for him, and for them. It’s part of the problem.

Only the selfish vote on who will do them the least damage. It might surprise you but many people vote on what they think their country needs.

I usually ignore your ramblings but could not let your comments pass about “people vote on what they think their country needs” and not in their own self interest and remind you of your selfish stance over the covid fiasco:

Lockdowns - you supported the lunacy of locking down and wanted more stringent lockdowns. This was done with the benefit of you having a nice garden to enjoy some outside space and not caring about the millions of people living in flats.

Shutting down businesses to support lockdown - you were a huge supporter of this failed policy saying at the time that huge job losses were a price worth paying “if it saved a single life”. Again this was done with you being retired and enjoying a final salary pension whilst also being a multiple property landlord so your income was not affected at all.

Closing schools during lockdown - another failed policy that you were a fanatical supporter of despite knowing that this would cause serious harm to millions of children’s education. Not having school age children this did not affect you so you were happy to support it.

Enforcing mask wearing on children in schools - another failed policy that you were a staunch advocate of despite knowing this would also damage and disrupt childrens learning and well being but this would not affect you.

I can see why you clearly took a position that was suited to your own personal benefit (as I believe that you are an elderly person with existing health conditions) however you either ignored/did not care that these decisions had a massive negative impact on millions of other people.

You should not “look down” on others who have taken the same route as you have and looked after “number 1”.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Do they? Who are these paragons? Millions of Americans are struggling and such lofty ideals don't come into play.

Are they really struggling, or just been told they are?

I haven’t been there for a while but since the pandemic the US economy has recovered better than just about everywhere else so doubt things have got worse.

Whilst it’s certainly true that there are big gaps between groups everything is relative. Those who struggle are usually fighting addiction rather than any lack of economic opportunities.

So I don’t buy this answer. You don’t need to be a paragon to hold the future of your country and your children’s subsequent economic success closer to your heart than any short term personal issues.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I usually ignore your ramblings but could not let your comments pass about “people vote on what they think their country needs” and not in their own self interest and remind you of your selfish stance over the covid fiasco:

Lockdowns - you supported the lunacy of locking down and wanted more stringent lockdowns. This was done with the benefit of you having a nice garden to enjoy some outside space and not caring about the millions of people living in flats.

Shutting down businesses to support lockdown - you were a huge supporter of this failed policy saying at the time that huge job losses were a price worth paying “if it saved a single life”. Again this was done with you being retired and enjoying a final salary pension whilst also being a multiple property landlord so your income was not affected at all.

Closing schools during lockdown - another failed policy that you were a fanatical supporter of despite knowing that this would cause serious harm to millions of children’s education. Not having school age children this did not affect you so you were happy to support it.

Enforcing mask wearing on children in schools - another failed policy that you were a staunch advocate of despite knowing this would also damage and disrupt childrens learning and well being but this would not affect you.

I can see why you clearly took a position that was suited to your own personal benefit (as I believe that you are an elderly person with existing health conditions) however you either ignored/did not care that these decisions had a massive negative impact on millions of other people.

You should not “look down” on others who have taken the same route as you have and looked after “number 1”.

To suggest I didn’t care about the impact of the various provisions we took as a consequence of the pandemic is a lie.

Of course I cared. That’s why I also supported the various schemes that were established to mitigate the impact.

When facing such a unique challenge as the Covid pandemic whatever course of action was determined was going to result in a massive negative impact on us and the economy.

That never was in question. The real question was what would produce the least harm and the fastest recovery.

What we did was painful. Lockdowns left people isolated. Some businesses failed. Education suffered. All true. However what we didn’t do would have been worse. Allowing the probability of a total collapse of our healthcare system would have produced much more severe consequences. Just imagine a killer virus sweeping through our population unable to respond. The death rate would be huge and the economy would collapse. Most businesses would close as would schools without teachers or pupils. Remember this was before either vaccines or any kind of real understanding of the virus.

So whilst it’s very easy to criticise things that happened it is even easier to ignore what the outcome of not doing them.

My attitude had nothing to do with my personal circumstances. It just seemed blindingly obvious to me that ensuring our health services continued to function had to be the over riding priority and whatever was necessary to achieve that had to be done and the collateral damage accepted.

Now we are holding an enquiry to determine the lessons, of which there will be many but I strongly doubt whether not locking down or closing schools will be one. Doing these things earlier and more positively might be.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Are they really struggling, or just been told they are?

I haven’t been there for a while but since the pandemic the US economy has recovered better than just about everywhere else so doubt things have got worse.

Whilst it’s certainly true that there are big gaps between groups everything is relative. Those who struggle are usually fighting addiction rather than any lack of economic opportunities.

So I don’t buy this answer. You don’t need to be a paragon to hold the future of your country and your children’s subsequent economic success closer to your heart than any short term personal issues.

According to the stats there are 38 m people at or below the poverty line.

 

[steeleye20]

And then there were none........

Western leaders paying the price for their obedience to Biden and therefore, Israel.

Macron and Scholz hang on with no power, Trudeau looks the last to fall.

It's only six months since they were parading their 'values' at the D-day event, only they have been acting the complete opposite of 1945. as they have been mostly from that time.

Now the west is seen as immoral, regarding the law as its version of events if at all.

Force, the military domination of the USA, is de facto, but that's all the west has.

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