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Wisbech Eagle said:
Untrue. Walz has decided not to have campaigning distract him from the work he is doing to sort out the corruption that has been uncovered. He isn’t implicated himself. That’s why another Democrat will likely succeed him.
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He's implicated in that an estimated $9 bn was fraudulently removed from the state budget on his watch.
 
eaglesdare said:
Well you clearly didint watch the video. The law enforcement officer was hit by the car. No ifs buts or maybe she hit him with the car.
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No one is hit apart from the woman with a bullet in her head. One of them is trying to grab the door handle and one of them moves to the side of the car, both remain on their feet. She was clearly just driving away - why do you seek to justify the unjustifiable?
 
georgenorman said:
No one is hit apart from the woman with a bullet in her head. One of them is trying to grab the door handle and one of them moves to the side of the car, both remain on their feet. She was clearly just driving away - why do you seek to justify the unjustifiable?
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You clearly didn't watch the video. The law enforcement officer involved was struck by the vehicle and transported to a hospital.
 
eaglesdare said:
You clearly didn't watch the video. The law enforcement officer involved was struck by the vehicle and transported to a hospital.
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I watched the video, at worse the car brushed one of them slightly. No justification for shooting someone dead.
 
Stirlingsays said:
So you attributed opinions to him that he has never uttered and tried to pass his attitudes as your own.

Wholly typical behaviour from you.

As I say, in a better Britain you'd have never risen to management....No principles.




Anyone calling Sach's views on the Ukraine war, those of an 'Putin Apologist', are proof positive that they are a 'Stupidity Apologist', as their support for opposing his positions has brought us to the disaster where we are now.

You've been a 'stupidity apologist' on the Ukraine war for years....over a million dead and a ball and chain on this country.

Like me and others Sachs doesn't give a damn about Russia, he just's not an idiot and I have to be frank.....it doesn't take a genius to work out how to avoid the worst result.....but that wasn't done.

And it wasn't done because leaders are stupid exactly.....It's because there is no negative consequence to them for taking this route. So by betting it all on red they get the small chance that Russia fell apart economically (even though it was unlikely and hurt us just as much) because even if it didn't work out....as it hasn't....They would suffer no negative results themselves.....gold plated pensions, gongs and all the rest of it.....One hand washes the other.

Cummings also made the observation on modern day elites that they fail upwards because there is no selection pressure.....what matters is complying rather than actually succeeding.

Whereas when this country was great: there was selection pressure.....Ideology didn't reward you, only success.
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That my analysis of Sachs’s attitudes is different to your own is hardly surprising. I would be very disappointed if they matched. I am not claiming they are his words. Just that the reasons why he says them are compromised by his background. In fact these exchanges have been useful as I have wondered how and why I find common ground with Sachs over many matters but found such a profound difference over this. Needing to think about it has this clarified for me.

I don’t trust Putin. So I completely reject your idea that any deal with him on Ukraine in 2022, or now, could lead to peace. All it could do is lead to a temporary ceasefire, if he sees some benefit in one. Then it would resume. The only thing he respects is strength. Strength that guarantees him more pain than gain should a defined line be crossed. That demands a lot of suffering by Ukrainians and cost for us. You seem to think neither is worthwhile and that Ukraine should simply have accepted they be absorbed back into the sphere of Russia whilst the west saved the cost of defending them. They being Slavs! Ukraine disagrees, so do I and so do our political leaders. (With the notable exception of the current POTUS.) Why? Because you cannot trust Putin.

I’ll ignore your cynicism over our political leaders, other than to say I’ve heard it all before and disagree. I know the system is imperfect, they all are, but they care. Except for the opportunistic ideologues who have emerged in recent years.
 
Teddy Eagle said:
He's implicated in that an estimated $9 bn was fraudulently removed from the state budget on his watch.
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That’s not implication! It’s responsibility.

He is responsible for discovering how and why it happened, what systems failed and what needs to change. Alongside supporting any law enforcement investigations into corruption. Those will be what reveal, who, if any, are implicated.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
That’s not implication! It’s responsibility.

He is responsible for discovering how and why it happened, what systems failed and what needs to change. Alongside supporting any law enforcement investigations into corruption. Those will be what reveal, who, if any, are implicated.
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He was responsible for discovering how and why it happened while it was happening but fair enough he's not a Republican so let him carry on.
 
eaglesdare said:
She was told to stop and get out of the car and then hit a law enforcement officer with her vehicle....
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I think we need to understand that these agents have families to go home to and they are protecting themselves as they see it in the heat of the moment. I sympathise with that, but that video does not show any justification for shooting the woman from an observer's point of view.
Now this woman may have been known for previous acts of violence, I don't know, but if the level of risk seen in this video justifies killing, then we have a problem. I believe it's more likely that these agents were not qualified to deal with the situation.
 
Hrolf The Ganger said:
I think we need to understand that these agents have families to go home to and they are protecting themselves as they see it in the heat of the moment. I sympathise with that, but that video does not show any justification for shooting the woman from an observer's point of view.
Now this woman may have been known for previous acts of violence, I don't know, but if the level of risk seen in this video justifies killing, then we have a problem. I believe it's more likely that these agents were not qualified to deal with the situation.
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My view on it is that the woman acted dangerously and recklessly, and also the ICE agent drew and shot his weapon a bit too fast.

Both can be true and and it is tragic. The woman has left a child behind and the officer has to live with it.

At the end of the day. You don't drive up to law enforcement officers with aggressive behavior and do what she did and expect nothing to happen. The whole situation could have been avoided.
 
kevlee said:
The officer who opened fire was pretty trigger happy. Shoot first ask questions later.
It looked like the woman was trying to drive away rather than run people over.
But that’s America!
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Adrenaline and guns are a dangerous mix.
 
georgenorman said:
I watched the video, at worse the car brushed one of them slightly. No justification for shooting someone dead.
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Yes indeed. Just what was the justification?

'Went to hospital' Huh!

Stepped aside as the woman went to drive away. The only officer who nearly lost his feet was behind what was going on and appeared to slip.

How quickly did the killer draw his gun?

A properly trained officer would have incapacitated the car by shooting at the tyres, if anything.

Very poor from what I can see.

But, you know, I'm probably a 'loony leftie' and totally biased.
 
Glazier#1 said:
Yes indeed. Just what was the justification?

'Went to hospital' Huh!

Stepped aside as the woman went to drive away. The only officer who nearly lost his feet was behind what was going on and appeared to slip.

How quickly did the killer draw his gun?

A properly trained officer would have incapacitated the car by shooting at the tyres, if anything.

Very poor from what I can see.

But, you know, I'm probably a 'loony leftie' and totally biased.
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Does that mean georgenorman is a loonie leftie as well? Who knew 😂
Seriously this does seem a complete shitshow by ICE officers, although I’m not sure the victims “wife” is helping matters by saying she encouraged her to confront the ICE Officers
 
georgenorman said:
I watched the video, at worse the car brushed one of them slightly. No justification for shooting someone dead.
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Only after he had to quickly move out of the way, she would have ran him over otherwise.

However, I agree that the ending of life is disproportionate, and that's what guns will produce in stress situations.

She put herself into that situation.
 
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