Stirlingsays
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Where is your evidence to back up these assertions from Sachs? Personally I've never seen them.
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Where is your evidence to back up these assertions from Sachs? Personally I've never seen them.
Teddy Eagle
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Probably Michael Higgins out for a paddle.
eaglesdare
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The full picture matters. Him visting in June did not cause vaccination numbers to drop. They dropped previous to his visit because of the error in 2018.
It's only pointless to discuss further if you don't know what you are taking about 👍
Maybe you can provide us some stats or proof that RFKs visit directly caused a 3 month drop in vaccinations?
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You jest - I'm presuming you didn't see the Cork harbour incident. Russian submarine 'chased' from Cork Harbour by British navy
As for the Liffey, it's presumably something that's been flushed.
ASCPFC
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I thought religion was a large factor in low Pacific islander vaccination rates. I never particularly looked into it. I remember my Mormon mate being vaccinated in school. He was 6ft odd, turned green and fainted. He was pleading that it was against his religion but it felt like vaccinations were just done at school with no questions asked then. So all of us over fifty will have had little choice - unless our parents were totally activist hippies.
eaglesdare
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Oh yes I remember that. They had to rely on the British to chase away the bullies 🤣
ASCPFC
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We'd run out of fishermen.
Ouzo Dan
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Obama drone striking weddings was a bit of a fetish of his.
chris123
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I was surprised to see that Ireland spends virtually nothing on defence. Pretty shocking unless I'm missing something.
Wisbech Eagle
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Jeffrey Sachs makes a lot of videos, which in the last few days concentrate exclusively on Trump, Venezuela and the implications. These I largely agree with. His position on the run up to the war in Ukraine has been consistent, in that he thinks it could, and should, have been avoided. This is a position that I respect, even if I question it. He is always very careful with his words and avoids direct criticism of Putin, so you must read between the lines to detect the inferences. He knows Putin’s background and that it founded his thinking. He knows you cannot trust someone from a KGB background, as he isn’t stupid. Sachs understands the need for security guarantees, so also understands that arranging neutrality, DMZs, etc could all be done but only if the penalty for default is costly for Russia. In 2022 he would not have anticipated Trump now being President, distancing himself from NATO and cosying up to Putin. Such a set of circumstances changes everything but he still concentrates his fire on his own country. I wonder if he wants to be asked to negotiate.
I did come across this interview from a year ago. It’s not often I agree more with Piers Morgan than with his interviewee, especially when it’s Jeffrey Sachs, who repeatedly avoids criticism of Putin, even when directly asked. The sense I get from this being he knows full well that you cannot, and should not, trust either Putin, or those around him, but that that isn’t the peoint. You still need to deal with them. Which is something I can agree with. The question is not if, but how. My view being that Russia has to see more benefit to staying out of Ukraine than to pushing in. Sachs goes on to talk about China, and his views on them I do agree with. As I do with his analysis of Israel and Gaza.
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You're not. It's become untenable in today's world. But our government is just awful so we can all argue about it and learn lessons whilst bombers fly over us and subs surround us. Our protection is the British umbrella which will please a lot of people. British and Irish. Our sabre rattling and posturing is literal madness.
Stirlingsays
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So in other words there is nothing to back up your statements on Sachs other than words you are putting in his mouth.
As for your position that you respect Sach's position on how the war started and could have been avoided....Once again I have to say that you literally spent years arguing against those positions with me on Hol.
Sachs argued against Nato policies that brought us here and you argued for them....and even denied they existed.
Can't you be honest for even a day in your life.
Wisbech Eagle
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No, I am reflecting on his very obvious reluctance to directly criticise a Russian President whilst making remarks about his background and the need to establish credible security guarantees for Ukraine. He is far from stupid but I think his attitude dates from the time when he was an adviser to Gorbachev and the promises that were made then. He feels bitter that they weren’t honoured and finds it difficult to admit that not all Presidents are like a Gorbachev. Some are a Putin. Putins cannot be trusted. My conclusion is that he knows it, but cannot easily say it. Even when pushed. I am not putting words in his mouth. I am suggesting they are there but that, for some reason, he cannot let them free.
There are plenty of others who also respect Sachs’s views on many matters but not those on Ukraine, sometimes describing him as a Putin apologist. This being just an example:-
When Confronting Russian Propaganda, Truth is Not Optional - Policy Magazine
In late October, Italian Senator Carlo Calenda went viral for bluntly calling economist Jeffrey Sachs a liar. During a debate between the two on the Italian
www.policymagazine.ca
As I said respecting Sachs’s views doesn’t mean I think they are correct. Other opinions exist. Just read the above. Which makes a lot of sense to me. I argued for these in the past and would today.
Wisbech Eagle
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I heard the actions of RFK over the vaccines is just part of his drive to dismantle the US health service (is there one?) and him unsolving problems we had already solved. Not so smart.
eaglesdare
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Yeah well I also heard that RFK is secretly a reptilian overlord plotting to replace all vaccines with essential oils, but let's stick to actual facts instead of anonymous "I heard" rumors.
Stirlingsays
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So you attributed opinions to him that he has never uttered and tried to pass his attitudes as your own.
Wholly typical behaviour from you.
As I say, in a better Britain you'd have never risen to management....No principles.
There are plenty of others who also respect Sachs’s views on many matters but not those on Ukraine, sometimes describing him as a Putin apologist. This being just an example:-
When Confronting Russian Propaganda, Truth is Not Optional - Policy Magazine
In late October, Italian Senator Carlo Calenda went viral for bluntly calling economist Jeffrey Sachs a liar. During a debate between the two on the Italian
As I said respecting Sachs’s views doesn’t mean I think they are correct. Other opinions exist. Just read the above. Which makes a lot of sense to me. I argued for these in the past and would today.
Anyone calling Sach's views on the Ukraine war, those of an 'Putin Apologist', are proof positive that they are a 'Stupidity Apologist', as their support for opposing his positions has brought us to the disaster where we are now.
You've been a 'stupidity apologist' on the Ukraine war for years....over a million dead and a ball and chain on this country.
Like me and others Sachs doesn't give a damn about Russia, he just's not an idiot and I have to be frank.....it doesn't take a genius to work out how to avoid the worst result.....but that wasn't done.
And it wasn't done because leaders are stupid exactly.....It's because there is no negative consequence to them for taking this route. So by betting it all on red they get the small chance that Russia fell apart economically (even though it was unlikely and hurt us just as much) because even if it didn't work out....as it hasn't....They would suffer no negative results themselves.....gold plated pensions, gongs and all the rest of it.....One hand washes the other.
Cummings also made the observation on modern day elites that they fail upwards because there is no selection pressure.....what matters is complying rather than actually succeeding.
Whereas when this country was great: there was selection pressure.....Ideology didn't reward you, only success.
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eaglesdare
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Looks like it's all kicking off in Minneapolis today. A woman used her car to try run over an ICE agent and was then shot.
www.foxnews.com
DHS says woman fatally shot by ICE agent after alleged car ramming: 'Act of terrorism'
A woman was shot and killed by an ICE agent in Minneapolis on Wednesday in what DHS is calling an "act of domestic terrorism." Authorities say she used her car to try to run over federal officers during an enforcement operation.
www.foxnews.com
cryrst
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Maybe she should have considered they carry guns. 50 people kill each other every week in Chicago but no protests.Looks like it's all kicking off in Minneapolis today. A woman used her car to try run over an ICE agent and was then shot.
DHS says woman fatally shot by ICE agent after alleged car ramming: 'Act of terrorism'
A woman was shot and killed by an ICE agent in Minneapolis on Wednesday in what DHS is calling an "act of domestic terrorism." Authorities say she used her car to try to run over federal officers during an enforcement operation.
Wait for the protests in London as Venezuela is chip paper already
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The protesters, it's almost like a call-to-arms for the mentally challenged. These people don't wait for due process, they go out to parade themselves on social media, wasting police resources, lying in roads, chaining themselves to fences, and the like.
When you have armed police, you do as you are told. I've had firearms pointed at me by American and British police, and you have to be mad or guilty not to obey police orders immediately.
Now it gives these Liberal-types an impetus to "get involved" and get in the way of a proper investigation of a potential crime scene.
I would like to euthanise the lot of them.
When you have armed police, you do as you are told. I've had firearms pointed at me by American and British police, and you have to be mad or guilty not to obey police orders immediately.
Now it gives these Liberal-types an impetus to "get involved" and get in the way of a proper investigation of a potential crime scene.
I would like to euthanise the lot of them.
Stirlingsays
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It's a mentality that they are safe from consequences out for a sense of sheer moral outrage.
I didn't want to see this woman killed but she was extremely stupid.
As for what the left thinks.....I saw them defend the shooting in the head of that woman on January 6th.
So I don't care how they react.