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Wisbech Eagle said:
Not in the same way he was to Trump. Nixon and Regan had lots of advisors. Trump doesn’t take advice but Cohn shaped Trump. He was much more than an advisor, he was his mentor and the lessons he instilled are only too present on how he acts today. Never admit you are wrong. Never apologise. Accuse your critics of what they accuse you of. Winning is all that matters. The truth doesn’t.
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The truth doesn't matter to politicians. They tell us their version of what they think we need to know.
 
nead1 said:
And in what way would she be able to do that given all the checks and balances that are built into the system?
Sounds to me like you have been entirely taken in by the nonsense that Trump articulated 4 years ago and his inability to accept defeat; all of his gripes were tested in the courts and thrown out if you recall?
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To describe them as gripes is to flatter them and do truth a disservice. They were planned months in advance ready to be implemented if all the other tricks failed and he lost. They had less substance than a loud fart, marking a lot of noise, spread around a bad smell whilst containing nothing at all.

That enough people either believe them or are prepared to overlook them for him to even be a candidate is a terrible reflection on the USA.
 
eaglesdare said:
The President Trump interview with Bloomberg was brilliant the other day. A standing ovation and round of applause at the end.

Then there is Kamala Harris Car crash of an interview on Fox News....

There is only one way she gets in and we all know it if she does.
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Try and be accurate on something. For once.

He is former President Trump and she is Vice-President Harris.

Brilliant and car crashes are descriptions decided by observers. Most of whom already have opinions. Which you obviously have.

Harris being interviewed by Fox was always going to produce controversy but she needed to do it to establish credentials.
 
Teddy Eagle said:
Fine. Carry on forgiving the lies of which you approve.
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It’s not as simple as that as I am quite sure you understand.

Some politicians cannot tell the whole truth for reasons of national security.

Others will only selectively tell which parts of the truth suit their agenda.

Others think that whatever they say is true.

Some can be respected. Others not.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
It’s not as simple as that as I am quite sure you understand.

Some politicians cannot tell the whole truth for reasons of national security.

Others will only selectively tell which parts of the truth suit their agenda.

Others think that whatever they say is true.

Some can be respected. Others not.
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Interesting idea. Is it a lie if the person telling it believes it to be true?
 
Teddy Eagle said:
Interesting idea. Is it a lie if the person telling it believes it to be true?
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It can be. Opinions are neither truth nor lies. Many things are though facts.

Trump makes no distinction between something that is merely an opinion, which could be true however unlikely it might be, and things that are established facts, if those facts deviate from what he believes, or wants, to be true.

Whether Trump truly believes his lies is irrelevant, other than in an assessment of his mental health. The concern is that so many others seem to.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
It can be. Opinions are neither truth nor lies. Many things are though facts.

Trump makes no distinction between something that is merely an opinion, which could be true however unlikely it might be, and things that are established facts, if those facts deviate from what he believes, or wants, to be true.

Whether Trump truly believes his lies is irrelevant, other than in an assessment of his mental health. The concern is that so many others seem to.
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So he's not a populist then. He's getting people to agree with him rather than saying what they want.
 
In UK terms I would definitely consider myself right of centre, but if I was voting in the US elections there is no way I would vote for Trump. He is an odious narcissist and bully, but his worst offence was to threaten the entire democratic system in claiming the previous election was rigged and that he had actually won it. In my view the reason he likes Putin so much is that he would act like Putin if he was allowed to get away with it.
 
Living In Hope said:
In UK terms I would definitely consider myself right of centre, but if I was voting in the US elections there is no way I would vote for Trump. He is an odious narcissist and bully, but his worst offence was to threaten the entire democratic system in claiming the previous election was rigged and that he had actually won it. In my view the reason he likes Putin so much is that he would act like Putin if he was allowed to get away with it.
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Vote harvesting is a thing....postal voting made a big difference in the election....and if you personally believe that Joe Biden was the most popular candidate for votes to ever stand in a US election you are at liberty to do so....I'm not personally so sure. Anyway elections always contain some level of corruption.....for example, the press and security services were prepared to lie for Biden....ie the Russiagate scandal and the Hunter Biden laptop....the latter being lied about specifically during the 2020 election run in by their friends in the institutions.....The Democrats were desperate and were willing to do anything just as they are now.

I hear your criticisms of Trump's personality and and I think that's fair enough, though let's not let Harris off the 'bullying' charge herself as the last three years have plenty of evidence for it from staff who have left.....But as it's a woman the modern culture shrugs its shoulders.

Personally I care less about how likeable the guy at the top is.....what matters to me is what does he or she achieve and get done. On that score Trump didn't do badly (though I considered his presidency flawed) compared to the mess of Biden.

Neither are candidates that represent the best of America, however Trump was literally made the Republican nomination for president by the behaviour of Democrats themselves. If they had not gone down the political persecution route (something that had never happened in modern history) Trump would have never have won the nomination and they would probably have been facing DeSantis.

As with most things with the Democratic party there's a lot of projecting their own behaviour onto their opponents and creating the very problems that they then complain about.......Trump himself back in 2016 would never have been president without the huge reaction to their extremely divisive politics and their deliberate goading of him.....From a mirror, a reversed image.
 
I would suggest anyone with an onterest in the elction watch the Harris Fox News interview.

Absolute car crash, she just doesn't answer any question, she blames all the failres of the last three and a half years on Trump.

She wants to claim she was important in the Biden administration but won't acknowledge any responsibility for the failures.

God save us all if she gets in. Definitely the worst outcome IMO.
 
Teddy Eagle said:
So he's not a populist then. He's getting people to agree with him rather than saying what they want.
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He is 100% a populist as he deliberately says things he knows some people agree with.

He isn’t telling them the truth and then persuading people of its importance. He is feeding people with their own prejudices.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
He is 100% a populist as he deliberately says things he knows some people agree with.

He isn’t telling them the truth and then persuading people of its importance. He is feeding people with their own prejudices.
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Simultaneously a bumbling fool and a malevolently manipulative genius.
The bookies have him ahead.
 
Teddy Eagle said:
Simultaneously a bumbling fool and a malevolently manipulative genius.
The bookies have him ahead.
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I don’t think he is actually either of those.

It would take a real expert to diagnose his actual condition but he is, to my amateur eye, clearly mentally abnormal and probably unstable as well. He is also being manipulated by shadowy people with attitudes I find appalling.

Much of what he says is indeed foolish, and is often malevolent, but he is no genius. He is following the script taught him by Roy Cohn. Something he has done for many years. He knows it works. He now applies it instinctively in all circumstances. Those manipulating him can anticipate him with confidence, without him realising.

It ought not go unnoticed that all the decent people who agree to work for him, and get to witness him at first hand, end up being very critical of him. People like Bill Barr and John Bolton, among many others. Even his VP, Mike Pence cannot stand him.

There is, I suspect, much more to be learned about how and why Trump got into this situation.

Bookies make their odds on the amounts being placed on each candidate. That Trump is ahead merely suggests to me that more Trump supporters bet than Harris ones do. Nothing to do with genuine predictions.

The guy who has correctly predicted the winner for the last few elections, based on a series of key indicators, including getting it right in 2016 and 2020, has Harris winning.
 
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